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PCIntern

(25,576 posts)
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 08:10 AM Aug 2022

I don't know if Joe Scarborough came up with the phrase

“Republicans are pushing a bill of Rights for rapists.” But it is perfect: catchy, denigrating, and extremely effective in my opinion. It says it all in just a few words.

Couple that with the Veterans Fiasco and Nazification and we should gain 12-15 seats in the House and greatly increase the hold in the Senate so those two problematic folks can be somewhat marginalized.

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I don't know if Joe Scarborough came up with the phrase (Original Post) PCIntern Aug 2022 OP
I think it works perfectly. Ilsa Aug 2022 #1
It's hyperbole, plimsoll Aug 2022 #6
Hyperbole can be a very useful political tool... Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #14
It's not far off from hyperbole. GOPers are working to give rapists and Ilsa Aug 2022 #20
No their actions are concrete. plimsoll Aug 2022 #22
It's only hyperbole until the dominoes start to fall, and then it's fact. Beartracks Aug 2022 #26
+1,000 malaise Aug 2022 #2
A "rapist bill of rights" HootieMcBoob Aug 2022 #3
He was a part of Gingrich's first wave of crazies in 1964. Yoyoyo77 Aug 2022 #4
I think you meant 1994 Wednesdays Aug 2022 #7
Lawrence O'Donnell said the GOP is creating a new class of "Rape Dads". n/t TeamProg Aug 2022 #5
I heard him say that. Great messaging. G2theD Aug 2022 #9
Flashy, but basically true. G2theD Aug 2022 #8
Oh, yeah. I'm going to use that one. Paladin Aug 2022 #10
Republican Forced-Birth Movement EmmaLee E Aug 2022 #12
I caught that on MJ today. The bill actually incentivises the rape of minors. Earth-shine Aug 2022 #11
Interesting. What is causing me more concern is an article in today's Milwaukee Journal Firestorm49 Aug 2022 #13
Sovereign Citizens have infiltrated many of the rural LEOs in the country...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #17
Wouldn't give that piece of shit credit for anything. MrsCoffee Aug 2022 #15
When I was in college in '73 mgardener Aug 2022 #16
Time to use it now. Whomever offered it up it has a winning ring. Historic NY Aug 2022 #18
Republicans are pushing Pedophiles' Bill of Rights meow2u3 Aug 2022 #19
Joe spends half the show talking about "good" Republicans milestogo Aug 2022 #21
I don't know how anyone can stand either one of them Skittles Aug 2022 #23
There it is. dchill Aug 2022 #25
I remember watching them, I think I tried twice Skittles Aug 2022 #28
That's their constituency. dchill Aug 2022 #24
Take a look at the winning messaging strategy used in Kansas! summer_in_TX Aug 2022 #27
Thanks for posting these! ShazzieB Aug 2022 #29
I figure 10-15 in the House, 3-5 in the Senate while holding all our seats. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2022 #30

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
1. I think it works perfectly.
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 08:41 AM
Aug 2022

It is absolutely repulsive, yet it is who Rs side with: rapists, child rapists, felons, etc. when it comes to an unwanted pregnancy.

This "Two wrongs don't make a right," meme is preposterous on its face.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
6. It's hyperbole,
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 09:15 AM
Aug 2022

That doesn't mean it's wrong in interpretation. Many of us were accused of being excessive when we said that the GOP was stacking the courts to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Wounded Bear

(58,698 posts)
14. Hyperbole can be a very useful political tool...
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:16 AM
Aug 2022

the bad guys use it all the time. We might as well use it to get good things done.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
20. It's not far off from hyperbole. GOPers are working to give rapists and
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 12:38 PM
Aug 2022

their families rights that are greater than victims' rights, which includes rights to her body, her biological fetus, and who the victim must interact with for decades, possibly. Their actions are certainly hyperbolic.

From Reply #11: "The bill actually incentivises the rape of minors."

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
22. No their actions are concrete.
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 12:54 PM
Aug 2022

They aren't calling it a Rapists Bill of rights, but it amounts to the same thing. Making statutory law all the things you're talking about. Saying it's a Rapists Bill of Rights is the hyperbole, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

But I've thought the major driver of the "Right to Life" agenda was making sure the women who were victims of rapists, abusive spouses, and sexual assailants who used positions of authority to rape could insure the women had to birth their offspring. I've never seen any evidence that they cared for those children after they're born, though recent cases have forced the rape victims to pay child support to their rapists apparently.

Reading more of the "Jurist" Alito cites makes me pretty confident that this has been part of the anti-abortion agenda for the last 400 years or so. The scary thing is that it makes twisted sense from an evolutionary perspective. Those men either wouldn't be able to contribute to the gene pool, or would have only modest impact if women had full autonomy over their choice of partner.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
26. It's only hyperbole until the dominoes start to fall, and then it's fact.
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:56 PM
Aug 2022

Some could see the dominoes being carefully placed for many years, while others denied it.

Don't like the way that Republican dominoes fall? Then vote in ways that keep them from stacking dominoes in the first place -- by voting for Democrats in EVERY election at EVERY level EVERY time: local, state, and national.


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HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
3. A "rapist bill of rights"
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 08:52 AM
Aug 2022

I hope every Democratic candidate and pundit uses it until it becomes part of the common lexicon. It’s absolutely Luntian 😀

Yoyoyo77

(269 posts)
4. He was a part of Gingrich's first wave of crazies in 1964.
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 09:03 AM
Aug 2022

That group started the GQP habit of using easy to remember talking points. For them it didn't matter if they were true or not. It should work just as well if the talking point reflects a true point!!!!

EmmaLee E

(170 posts)
12. Republican Forced-Birth Movement
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:05 AM
Aug 2022

There is nothing pro-about them.

I have called it the "Rapists' Delight"

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
11. I caught that on MJ today. The bill actually incentivises the rape of minors.
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:02 AM
Aug 2022

It's potentially profitable for the relatives of the rapist.

Firestorm49

(4,037 posts)
13. Interesting. What is causing me more concern is an article in today's Milwaukee Journal
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:09 AM
Aug 2022

regarding the Racine County (WI) sheriff, Christopher Schmaling who claims to be a “constitutional sheriff”. He’s a member of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, which “encourages members to refuse to enforce laws they believe are unconstitutional”. The organization is run by Sheriff Richard Mack, who just happens to be a board member of the Oath Keepers as well.

Combine local police bias and a set of three digit governmental agencies that are desperately trying to cover up their involvement in the coup by scrubbing their phones after being told not to, and we now have more reasons to be concerned about the future of America on both the National and local level.

We are in deeper shit than we realize.

mgardener

(1,817 posts)
16. When I was in college in '73
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:17 AM
Aug 2022

We had a girl who was from a farm in a small town.
She was sweet and naive.
She wanted to work with kids.
Her boyfriend worked on his dad's farm.
He did not want her in college, wanted to get married, certainly did not want her living in a dorm. He was very controlling
He would be waiting for her after her last class on Friday and bring her back late on Sunday.
She never spent a weekend in the dorm.

Well, he raped her.
She got pregnant and dropped out of college.
He picked her her up that last weekend and we never saw or heard from her again.
I always wondered what happened to her.

meow2u3

(24,771 posts)
19. Republicans are pushing Pedophiles' Bill of Rights
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:55 AM
Aug 2022

They think little kids are nothing but objects for perverts to use and throw away when they're done with them.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
21. Joe spends half the show talking about "good" Republicans
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 12:42 PM
Aug 2022

and revisiting the days of his youth.

I don't know how Mika can stand him, at home or at work.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
28. I remember watching them, I think I tried twice
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:19 AM
Aug 2022

and I was like, people actually watch this shyte? They're just so fucking FULL of themselves, ugh

summer_in_TX

(2,748 posts)
27. Take a look at the winning messaging strategy used in Kansas!
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 11:06 PM
Aug 2022

Bill Scher
@billscher
What messaging worked in Kansas? Let's look at the ads from the winning "NO" team...
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One theme: labelling the proposed amendment as a "government mandate." In this ad the word abortion is not said:

"It's a strict government mandate designed to interfere with private medical decisions ... Kansans don't want another government mandate."

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #1 Kansans for Constitutional Freedom, June 14
Bill Scher
@billscher
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This ad features a male doctor:

"Do no harm. That's the oath we take as doctors. But now the government wants to force doctors ...to break that oath ...It's a government mandate that could ban all abortions with no exceptions, even rape and incest"

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #2 Kansans for Constitutional Freedom - June 14
Bill Scher
@billscher
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This ad features a mother talking about an abortion needed to save her life:
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"It's an impossible choice ... I had a three year old son at the time and a husband ... if I didn't have an abortion they would be without their mother and their wife"

2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #3 - Kansans for Constitutional Freedom - July 1
Bill Scher
@billscher
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This ad emphasizes existing abortion rules to suggest the amendment is "extreme and goes too far":

"Abortion is already highly regulated in Kansas ... Taxpayer funding for abortion: outlawed. Abortion after viability: banned. Parental consent: required."

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #4 - Kansans for Constitutional Freedom PAC, July 13
Bill Scher
@billscher
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This ad features a Catholic grandmother:

"Growing up Catholic, we didn't talk about abortion. But now it's on the ballot ... If it were my granddaughter, I wouldn't want the government making that decision for her."

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #5 - Kansans for Constitutional Freedom - July 13
Bill Scher
@billscher
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This ad is a response ad poking holes in the pro-life ad campaign:
"supporters aren't telling you the truth"

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #6 Kansans for Constitutional Freedom July 31
Bill Scher
@billscher
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Here's another that doesn't mention abortion directly:

"It gives government more power over your privacy and your personal medical decisions. Don't let politicians take away your freedom."

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #7 Kansans for Constitutional Freedom July 31
Bill Scher
@billscher
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And this one features "a pastor for over 50 years"

"As Christians we are instructed to love one another. We do so when we respect and trust women as God does. I'm voting No ... because it replaces religious freedom with government control."

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2022 Kansas Abortion Amendment PRO NO PAC TV Ad #8 Kansans for Constitutional Freedom 7/31


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"Kansans for Constitutional Freedom" – a perfect name. I think this approach could work in any state since it's proven itself in deep-red Kansas.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,747 posts)
30. I figure 10-15 in the House, 3-5 in the Senate while holding all our seats.
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 03:16 AM
Aug 2022

OH, WI, PA should be locks to flip
NC, FL, MO are possible, but unlikely.

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