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TheBlackAdder

(28,222 posts)
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 11:44 AM Aug 2022

Kyrsten Sinema Is Demanding Democrats Keep A Tax Break For The Super-Wealthy

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Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) wants Democrats to drop a provision tightening a tax loophole associated with hedge fund managers and private equity executives from their $740 billion package enacting President Joe Biden’s climate, health care and tax plans, according to reports from Politico and Axios.

Sinema’s apparent desire to nix the provision — which raises just 2% of the proposal’s total revenue and does not even fully close the loophole — does not immediately endanger Democrats’ hope of passing the legislation out of the Senate in the coming days. But it shows how the moderate first-term senator is willing to protect some of the country’s wealthiest Americans from even small tax hikes.

Sinema’s office would not directly confirm nor deny the reports, and said the senator is still reviewing the legislation and awaiting rulings from the Senate parliamentarian on its contents. Politico and Axios also reported Sinema wants additional funding for drought resiliency — a key priority for Arizona, where water supply remains a top issue.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kyrsten-sinema-tax-break-loophole_n_62eae726e4b0ecfe3f6d4490



I've seen this before. Sinema will balk, get what she wants and then Manchin will feign another concern.

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Kyrsten Sinema Is Demanding Democrats Keep A Tax Break For The Super-Wealthy (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 OP
Manchin is on board Casady1 Aug 2022 #1
Sounds like it would be 19B total AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2022 #4
Latest news about Mead/Powell sitch is freaking me the f*** out ... Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #6
I agree AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2022 #7
I have not read, I'll check it out, thx! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #9
She sucks, but take the W and move on. NT Happy Hoosier Aug 2022 #8
That's my attitude AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2022 #11
Leaning in that direction. They played out the clock, so there's no time for rewrites... Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #14
Agree we can do it Aug 2022 #19
Except that Joe Manchin is (rightfully IMO) insistent on closing this tax loophole. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #12
Manchin has $300 Billion in deficit reduction in this Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #20
Who knows if this is a "deal breaker" or not? Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #24
His bill doesn't end it Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #25
On board how? FBaggins Aug 2022 #18
GRrrrr! 2naSalit Aug 2022 #2
I'm in Az and I can't wait to vote her out! Pisces Aug 2022 #3
Call her bluff Walleye Aug 2022 #5
Seems like they can do what she wants easily Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #10
She's doing it because of her backers/rich donors. sakabatou Aug 2022 #13
She'd rather protect her wealthy donors than protect Americans' right to vote. Novara Aug 2022 #15
Cornyn from Texas is her friend and padah513 Aug 2022 #16
In other words dweller Aug 2022 #17
What's her angle? superpatriotman Aug 2022 #21
her term ends in 2024 maxsolomon Aug 2022 #22
Gotta wonder who in Arizona, she is representing with this demand ? RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2022 #23
Predicted this from the second Manchin got back on board budkin Aug 2022 #26

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,070 posts)
4. Sounds like it would be 19B total
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 11:51 AM
Aug 2022

I read she's asking for 5B for drought relief - which I wholeheartedly support out here.
That 19B shouldn't affect the deficit reduction too much, which I'd think will keep Manchin on board.

Or at least I hope.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. Latest news about Mead/Powell sitch is freaking me the f*** out ...
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 11:54 AM
Aug 2022

REALLY making me wanna sell the place and GTFO before we're all just abandoning our houses and mortgages by the millions because there's no more water and electricity charges are spiking like mad cause Hoover is offline ...

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,070 posts)
7. I agree
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 11:59 AM
Aug 2022

But I will say that I find the whole "old bodies from Vegas mob hits surfacing as the water level goes down" kind of entertaining.

Have you ever read "The Water Knife" by Paolo Bacigalupi? TERRIFYING look at Vegas/Phoenix water wars in the future.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,070 posts)
11. That's my attitude
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:03 PM
Aug 2022

If we can't get a (relatively) small tax hike into it, but she's onboard with everything else, that's a good thing at this point. And as much as we hate him, Manchin is a savvy politician, and should see that as well. And if this is truly such a bipartisan thing as everyone makes it up to be, introduce a seperate bill.
Although there's always the chance that she'll find more to object to.
This reminds me of the reconciliation for the 2021 stimulus.

Wounded Bear

(58,719 posts)
14. Leaning in that direction. They played out the clock, so there's no time for rewrites...
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:07 PM
Aug 2022

Pass the bill - without this - and we might get a chance to re-address it next session.

If the bill doesn't pass, it makes it harder to retain the House and Senate.

I think AZ will boot her ass in '24 anyway.

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
20. Manchin has $300 Billion in deficit reduction in this
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:56 PM
Aug 2022

This is $14B of that, certainly this isn't a deal breaker if that's her only demands.

Sinema making very concrete proposals is a great step and I think this means this will get done.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
24. Who knows if this is a "deal breaker" or not?
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 02:39 PM
Aug 2022

Manchin has long targeted this dubious tax break and specifically included ending it as part of his bill.

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
25. His bill doesn't end it
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 02:58 PM
Aug 2022

It simply reduced it, it required those assets to be held for 5 years to take advantage of the loophole, rather than the current 3 years. Eliminating it would have meant $70 Billion more in revenue.

She wants it to remain at 3 years, and she wants $5 Billion for drought relief in the SW. Give her $7B on drought relief and change it to 4 years.

This is an almost $1 Trillion deal, she's got demands worth $19B, it can happen.

Here's the reality, Manchin wrote plenty into this bill for the fossil fuel industry he is beholden to, he's not going to risk that for this loophole. I predict he caves and gives her what she wants. The risk is that she then asks for more.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
18. On board how?
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:42 PM
Aug 2022

Sinema's "demand" (if it is indeed a demand) directly conflicts with Manchin's prior claims about his own priorities.

So are you saying that he has changed his mind and will allow the carried interest change to drop out of the bill? Or just that he was on board with the initial compromise? Because Sinema is hinting that she is not.

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
10. Seems like they can do what she wants easily
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:03 PM
Aug 2022

Manchin is on board because it's his own bill.

This is great news IMO.

Novara

(5,851 posts)
15. She'd rather protect her wealthy donors than protect Americans' right to vote.
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:08 PM
Aug 2022

How I despise that preening fuck.

padah513

(2,506 posts)
16. Cornyn from Texas is her friend and
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 12:29 PM
Aug 2022

She has her orders. Then it'll be exactly like you said. A change will be proposed to pacify her and then Manchin will balk. Same old same old with these two. We need to hold the House and then get a few more Senators, then tell these two to pound sand by taking away committees and Chairmanships.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,676 posts)
23. Gotta wonder who in Arizona, she is representing with this demand ?
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 01:15 PM
Aug 2022

pretty weak screwing over most americans for 15 billion for your donors.

Why can't one repub step up and vote for all americans , their solidarity is disgusting

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