pro life "logic"

[moonshinegnomie]

Pro Lifer: Well the mother should just give the baby up for adoption if she doesn’t want the baby
Me: So who will adopt the baby?
PL: I don’t know there’s lots of couples who want to adopt
Me: Do you know any couple who is waiting to adopt?
PL: Um well not personally but like I know there’s lots of people waiting to adopt.
Me: Do you know what a domestic adoption costs?
PL: I don’t know. $15,000 maybe?
Me: The average cost of domestic adoption in the United States is $70,000 if you go through a private agency.
PL: Oh I didn’t realize it was that much
Me: Yep it’s really expensive. It can be more if you want a newborn straight from the hospital. Up to $120,000.
PL: Well all life is precious.
Me: it really is. I’ve adopted through foster care and am currently a licensed foster parent. Would you be interested in becoming a foster parent yourself?
PL: Oh no I couldn’t do it.
Me: Why not?
PL: It would just be too much for me right now.
Me: Why is that?
PL: It would be too hard to handle all the issues that came with it. I’ve heard horror stories.
Me: Yep it can be extremely difficult. But what if I told you that you were required by law to become a foster parent?
PL: what?
Me: what if you had to become a foster parent by law?
PL: they would never do that. That would never happen.
Me: Well, if a woman is forced to bear a child she doesn’t want, and she goes ahead and has that child, someone has to care for the child either through adoption or foster care. You have to do one of those two things.
PL: But I don’t want any more kids.
Me: So you don’t want someone forcing you to have a child in your home that you don’t want or aren’t able to care for?
PL: no, that’s not my job to raise someone else’s child.
There it is, folks. Have the baby, but we don’t want anything to do with it afterwards.
But, let’s ban abortion…
Author: Elizabeth Haney

[Maraya1969]

1. And what happens when the baby you are going to give up for adoption has issues and will be disabled

What does the mother do in that situation?

It is horrible to think of. It is difficult to give up a healthy baby to a wealthy family that really wants it - try finding a home for a baby with special needs.

[Lonestarblue]

7. Especially a minority baby with special needs.

[keithbvadu2]

2. Pro-life to conservatives/republicans is a myth.

Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

Pro-life to conservatives/republicans is a myth.

The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

[crickets]

3. K&R for visibility.

[Snackshack]

4. BOOM

That sounds close to the conversations I have had with people who are anti choice.

I have to admit a bias. I spent several of the first few years of my life as a ward of the state of California living with different foster families. I always bring this up when talking to someone about this who is anti choice if they have ever thought of or done foster partnering or even just donated time or money to children in those situation and every one of them said the same thing. “I don’t time” or they don’t have the resources or now is not a good time in their life or the horror story or….etc, etc, etc…

I have concluded that most people who claim to be anti choice…really don’t give a 💩 about it. It cost nothing to be anti choice, just a few words now and then or stand on a street corner for a few hours some morning and in return they get to check their social justice warrior box and feel good about themselves. But in the mean time the result of their ignorant narcissism’s is a woman may die because of a fatal pregnancy. The hypocrisy will make you want to 🤢.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. Eh. Adoption isn't a "solution" for abortion. Abortion is for people who don't want to be pregnant

or give birth. Adoption is for people who don't want to parent.

[azureblue]

6. if the state forces birth

then the state should be responsible for all costs incurred, Including
prenatal care
cost of birthing
Extra post natal home care
Support of mom and newborn, inc. housing, medical, and food until child is old enough to attend 1st grade, assuming mom will stay at home to raise child.
Then
Continued support of child, inc. cost of daycare, should the mom decide to go back to work. if not, then full support of mom and child continues until child reaches age 18.

PS

Long ago, I had a conversation with a pro birther. I asked him if he would sign a contract of support, making him responsible for care and feeding, medical, etc. Oh no - he wasn't about to part with a dime to help the woman he wanted to force to bear a child.

PPS

I think it would be a good thing to create such a contract, and pull it out and demand a pro birther sign it, or GTFO. Like in front of a planned parenthood clinic.

[Timeflyer]

8. Great post and replies!