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(22,564 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)beginning (remember/seen the Son of Satan Raygun's PSA's about Medicare & Communism?); so in order to assuage the early GQP - Birchers, et al - a "compromise" was enacted, Filibuster & 60 Vote Rule, which was okay when moderates and Dems were the majority, but now that is smacking us full in the face.
So, when GQP and GQP Lite people state that the rule has always been there, no it hasn't, it isn't historical nor old - it happened in over the half the US citizens current lifetimes.
former9thward
(32,068 posts)Using the filibuster to delay debate or block legislation has a long history. The term filibuster, from a Dutch word meaning "pirate," became popular in the United States during the 1850s when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent action on a bill.
https://www.senate.gov/reference/Index/Filibuster.htm#:~:text=The%20term%20filibuster%2C%20from%20a,prevent%20action%20on%20a%20bill.
The Senate tradition of unlimited debate has allowed for the use of the filibuster, a loosely defined term for action designed to prolong debate and delay or prevent a vote on a bill, resolution, amendment, or other debatable question. Prior to 1917 the Senate rules did not provide for a way to end debate and force a vote on a measure. That year, the Senate adopted a rule to allow a two-thirds majority to end a filibuster, a procedure known as "cloture." In 1975 the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds of senators voting to three-fifths of all senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 of the 100-member Senate.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/filibusters-cloture.htm
Hestia
(3,818 posts)reconciliation if need be (definitely needed if money is involved - Congress controls purse strings).
former9thward
(32,068 posts)You said it was a recent rule.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)It is in the Senate Rules, each chamber is granted the authority to run itself in the constitution.
The word filibuster never appears in the Senate rules. It is a Cloture Vote and its intention is fine. A cloture vote is a regular parliamentary vote to end debate. In the Senate they wanted all Senators to have the right to speak on a bill so they wanted to make closing debate more difficult so they originally had a 66 vote threshold.
From memory I believe that courtesy among Senators made the cloture vote moot until 1860s when a single senator tried to delay a vote so that railroad magnates could use more time to bribe senators for a favorable vote but they voted to cut off debate.
In about 1915 they reduced it from 66 votes to 60.
The problem is not with voting to cut off debate the problem is now they don't even bother to stand in the well and debate they just announce they are going to filibuster and the Senatorial customs is to accept that.
This is why Sinema's excise that she is "upholding Senate traditions" is particularly gag worthy. The current practice has nothing to do with the actual Senate practice or the intention of the rule.
We should go back to the original understanding and allow them to stand in the Senate and debate as long as they want and at the end of it vote. After 2 or 3 all night sessions the threat of a filibuster would be gone.
Oh and for the record that filibuster in 1964 probably was racist Southern Democratic Senators who were filibustering against the 1964 Civil Rights Act which had broad Republican support.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)Aristus
(66,446 posts)Herblock was the best!...
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)filibuster must have been different then
Trumpdumper
(171 posts)... all of whom voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
And you needed two-thirds, or 67, of the 100 senators to break a filibuster.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)a Blue Dog are the Democrats who started the 111th Congress stating that they are not auto-D votes in Senate or Congress, aligning themselves with the Teabaggers of the time (bought and paid for by Kock Bros). They didn't really exist as a voting bloc before PBO, unless it was in those smoky backrooms that we hear about but never really *know* about.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)"Herbert Lawrence Block, commonly known as Herblock (October 13, 1909 October 7, 2001), was an American editorial cartoonist and author best known for his commentaries on national domestic and foreign policy.[1]
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Herblock won three Pulitzer Prizes for editorial cartooning (1942, 1954, 1979), shared a fourth Pulitzer Prize in 1973 for Public Service on Watergate, the Presidential Medal of Freedom (1994), the National Cartoonist Society Editorial Cartoon Award in 1957 and 1960, the Reuben Award in 1956, and the Gold Key Award (the National Cartoonists Society Hall of Fame) in 1979. In 1986 he received the Elijah Parish Lovejoy Award as well as an honorary Doctor of Laws degree from Colby College, and in 1999 an honorary Doctor of Arts degree from Harvard University.
In 1961, he was chosen as one of 50 outstanding Americans of meritorious performance in the fields of endeavor, to be honored as a Guest of Honor to the first annual Banquet of the Golden Plate in Monterey, California. Honor was awarded by vote of the National Panel of Distinguished Americans of the Academy of Achievement.[3]
In 1966, he was selected to design the U.S. postage stamp commemorating the 175th anniversary of the Bill of Rights.
In 1987 he received the Four Freedoms Award for the Freedom of Speech.[4]
In 2008 Herblock's work was the subject of exhibitions entitled Herblock's Presidents at the Smithsonian Institution's National Portrait Gallery (United States),[5] and Herblock's History at the Library of Congress.[6] In late 2009 and early 2010, the Library of Congress showcased a new exhibition called Herblock!.[7] This exhibition included cartoons that represented Block's ability to wield his pen effectively and artfully. He used it to condemn corruption and expose injustice, inequality, and immorality. His topics included the Great Depression; the rise of fascism and World War II; communism and the Cold War; Senator Joseph McCarthy; race relations; Richard Nixon; the Reagan era; the 2000 election and more.
When Herb Block died in October 2001, he left $50 million with instructions to create a foundation to support charitable and educational programs that help promote and sustain the causes he championed during his 72 years of cartooning. The Herb Block Foundation awarded its first grants and the annual Herblock Prize in editorial cartooning in 2004.[8] According to its website, the Herb Block Foundation "is committed to defending the basic freedoms guaranteed all Americans, combating all forms of discrimination and prejudice and improving the conditions of the poor and underprivileged through the creation or support of charitable and educational programs with the same goals. The Foundation is also committed to improving educational opportunities to deserving students through post-secondary education scholarships and to promoting editorial cartooning through continuing research."[9]
On January 27, 2014, HBO premiered a documentary, Herblock: The Black & The White, which was executive produced by George Stevens Jr., produced and directed by his son, Michael Stevens, who also co-wrote with Sara Lukinson. The documentary interviews Jon Stewart, Lewis Black, Tom Brokaw, Bob Woodward, Carl Bernstein, Jules Feiffer, Ted Koppel and Ben Bradlee as witnesses to Block's life, work and indelible contribution to American satire."...(more)
summer_in_TX
(2,748 posts)He stood for the ideals of our country and the ordinary American against corporate behemoths.
calimary
(81,441 posts)I think political cartoonists are WAY under appreciated. Theyre the essence of that line a picture is worth a thousand words. With every piece they produce.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Somewhat different style.
He was usually published by the then Liberal NY Post when I started reading it in '66?, definitely '67.