Bernie Sanders breaks it all down.

[richdj25]

Senator Sanders is on c-span, breaking down the particulars of this so-called Inflation reduction bill. It's not going to really help us little guys and gals. For instance, the lowering of prescription drug prices won't take place for 4 years, and will only affect 10 drugs and not apply to everyone on Medicaid.

There's a lot more, so I suggest you watch the replay on on c-span or YouTube, when made available.

Truly sad.

[Johnny2X2X]

1. Bernie is a troll

If it’s so awful the. Why will he vote for it?

[budkin]

48. No. He isn't.

But at least you tried.

[Skittles]

2. sorry, what is truly sad

Bernie or the bill

[lapucelle]

3. ...

[Ocelot II]

4. Bernie's still trying to be relevant without actually being helpful.

[enough]

6. What would be helpful? Cheerleading?

[Johnny2X2X]

8. Maybe he could talk about why he supports the bill?

He’s going to vote for it, but chose to crap all over it before he does. This does a ton of good, but Bernie wants to trash everything that isn’t exactly how he wants it. He’s acting like a child.

[ColinC]

12. Actually he is laying out the fact that 0 Republicans are willing to address these issues

And spelling out our agenda when the Democrats have two more Senate seats. This is the messaging the party should be having: we can't do very much because of our limited numbers, but give us a real majority and we can begin to actually address the issues that truly affect you.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. Is this the time and place for that?

You take the wins when you can get them and this is a win. Then you go fight for more.

[ColinC]

16. It's the Senate floor. It is EXACTLY the time and place for it

It's not like he's threatening to kill the entire bill -after derailing several previous attempts because it doesn't taxes the rich too much like a certain Manchin and Sinema have done.

How we lay out the Dem agenda and our case for 52 seats this year, could make or break it for Democrats.

[lapucelle]

20. Then why deride the bill by calling it the "so called Inflation Reduction Act"?

Who benefits from that kind of messaging?

Cui bono?

Not Democrats.

[Cha]

32. The Midterms are coming right up

he is Framing it “So called “.. Not helping.

I’m Going With.. It’s a Win For Pres Biden&
& the Dems!!

[ColinC]

44. Why lie?

While it is certainly better than nothing, to say that it is some kind of extraordinary victory for working people is simple not true. That victory will likely come only when Democrats actually have full control of the legislative and executive.

[Cha]

53. I'm NOT "LYING".. I'm Going With REALITY..

Just Stop with your Insults!

This is a WIN.. just because he says it's Not means nothing.. I'm Supporting those who Worked hard on getting this DONE!

We Actually Care about MIDTERMS and SAVING OUR DEMOCRACY!

[Me.]

59. Of Course You're Not Lying Cha

after all, you're not a non Dem in the senate.

The senator is just upset because there's not a post office in the bill that he can name

[Cha]

62. lol.. oh is that WHY?

Mahalo, Dem!

We Are The WINNING Dems! Thank Pres Biden and all the DEM LEADRS!

[ColinC]

73. Who said you were lying?

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I said "why lie?"

As in: "why should Sanders lie about how big of a deal this is when it fails to address major issues for working people, because he clearly does not feel that way."

I promise: I was not accusing you of lying if you happen to disagree with him

[G2theD]

163. The CBO said this will not significantly reduce inflation

Yet it’s called “The Inflation Reduction Act”.

I still think it’s a big win in the fight against global warming. Plus adding IRS bulldogs.

The 15% minimum tax will also be a great boon.

[Demsrule86]

84. It is a. Victory. The idea that one must get everything at once and never compromise is

foolish and leads to accomplishing nothing.

[ColinC]

86. BBB was turned into the IRA after it was gutted to about 1/10 of the original bill

...due to two uncompromising Senators. If Bernie wasn't actually compromising, he wouldn't have voted for -or would have tried to leverage his vote and force the rest of the Senate to actually compromise with him. But he didn't because he knows that is unrealistic and this small step is a small step in the right direction that can be built on with better legislation in the future.

But to try and claim that this small victory is a huge victory to the vast majority of Americans who will not feel it, would be a blatant lie to them as they go(or fail to go) to the polls in November. To continue to hammer away at what we WILL do as soon as we have the votes will be a staunch reminder of what we have to lose if we cannot gain full control of the legislature.

He was also giving very strong cover to the rest of the caucus to vote down every Republican sponsored amendment that would water down this bill even more.

[Demsrule86]

88. It is a victory .

[ColinC]

90. It is a glimpse of what's to come if we win full control of the legislature.

[JoeOtterbein]

57. +1 nt

[mountain grammy]

69. Exactly!

We've got to be messaging that more is needed and how we get it done. We all know that.

[questionseverything]

19. Billions of dollars of tax subsidies for fossil fuels ( which are already making record profits) is

Not a win

Not only does the bill bankroll fossil fuels and fracking pipelines but it actually stops solar and wind development unless so much public land is sold to fossil fuel companies

Some of us want to understand what’s actually in these bills not hear cheerleading

[Johnny2X2X]

22. It reduces our carbon output 40%

This is the largest investment to fight climate change in history. The price was some stuff the energy companies and Manchin would like too.

We absolutely cannot wait on climate change. This gets us back on track.

[questionseverything]

27. How does it reduce out carbon output when all those

New areas are going to be opened to fossil fuel discovery?

[Johnny2X2X]

29. Do people get that we had to take some bad for the greater good?

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/inflation-reduction-act-carbon-greenhouse-emissions-princeton/628849/

[questionseverything]

35. No mention in that link about the new fossils being extracted

No one’s saying, “don’t pass the bill “

Just discussing it’s still moving parts

[Johnny2X2X]

42. Just discussing too

But more leases for drilling while we move to clean energy isn’t a net negative. We’re still going to be using fossil fuels for decades, the net effect of this bill is a less carbon.

[Autumn]

28. I must confess I'm not aware that it does that. How does it reduce our carbon output 40%?

[womanofthehills]

76. This totally baffles me too -

"This deal would approve the $6.6 billion Mountain Valley Pipeline – a fracked gas pipeline that would span 303 miles from West Virginia to Virginia, and potentially on to North Carolina.

This is a pipeline that would generate emissions equivalent to that released by 37 coal plants or by over 27 million cars each and every year."



https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remarks-sanders-says-inflation-reduction-act-doesnt-meet-needs-of-the-american-people/

[Autumn]

110. I saw that and I don't understand that either. It does a lot for businesses with the tax credits

for clean energy and fast tracking oil, gas, etc. How the fuck does that even cut emissions? Drug negotiations on the 10 drugs don't even start to take place until 2026. No mention of what those 10 drug are. The tax extenders bill at the end of the year will wipe out any gains made from the paltry 15% tax on these corporations, it sounds like that will be a big giveaway to them and it does not take back any tax breaks for the wealthy and very large corporations that they were given under Trump.. And for the rest there is a lot of 2033.

[krawhitham]

78. its provisions could cut greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions 37-41 percent below 2005 levels

https://perma.cc/4ET5-UD8G

We find that the IRA is the most significant federal climate and
clean energy legislation in U.S. history, and its provisions
could cut greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions 37-41 percent
below 2005 levels. If the IRA passes, additional executive and
state actions can realistically achieve the U.S. nationally
determined commitments (NDCs) under the Paris Agreement.

[Autumn]

103. Is there any information on how the provisions cut it? Or what those provisions are?

It mentions executive and state actions but not what they are or any information on how they will work. I see a lot of stuff that starts in 2033 but that seems to be about tax credits and jobs that start then. I imagine a lot of politicians will come and go by them.

[treestar]

157. cheerlead what you can get because the Rs are not going

to do anything at all.

The voters do not see this as a non-win because they are not supporters of Bernie. The voters are not progressive enough to elect a Congress that will do more. Convince them rather than criticize what was able to be done. That's at least an attempt to be constructive.

[quakerboy]

66. Call a modest improvement a big win

and then watch the people who expect relief and dont get it stay home for the next election.

Or outline what we are fighting for. What we WILL do better if those voters give us the chance.

I know which I would do. Outline the future battles, the reasons for setbacks, and lay out what we need to do better.

[Autumn]

119. Yes this is the time to talk about it. While the bill is being debated and is up for a vote

When we fight for more is before the bill is passed.

[betsuni]

80. No, he emphasized both sides, that Americans think "Neither party is responding to them,"

that both parties are corrupt and the system is rigged, both parties are beholden to lobbyists and corporate money, that Americans are angry because of economic inequality and want to take up arms against the government. Very clear. That multi-party government is the answer because both sides.

[Demsrule86]

87. First of all that is a fing lie. And Sen Sanders should not say it. This is what is possible.

The parties are not the same. Also polls clearly show that folks want things done. They hate gridlock I am very disappointed in Sen Sanders.

[betsuni]

89. Yes, Americans want bipartisanship. They don't know it's Republicans' fault for being 100%

against everything Democrats do, radical post-policy completely dysfunctional nutty and only concentrated on undoing any Democratic policy. Messaging: tell this to Americans!

How anyone sees them as the same, all corrupt and rigged, that Republican voters vote that way because Democrats ignore them.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

34. Cheerleading Dem victories isn't good?

That seems like something Senators should be doing every day.

[betsuni]

41. The idea that without constant criticism, being pushed/pulled to the left, threats not to vote if

they don't do this or that, Democrats will turn into Republicans. No cheerleading, echo chambers, positivity. One must be very strict about following this rule.

Relief that at least something passed is interpreted as thinking the bill is perfect and there are no future plans to improve upon it when possible.

[Demsrule86]

126. Yes it is...this a remakable bill and should celebrated. The idea that constant criticism makes

Democrats better is simply untrue and it drives voters away from our party...causes us to lose elections. I would think that recent history would make this apparent to everyone.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

147. That's certainly my way of thinking.

[treestar]

159. +1. Also the Rs do that

and keep winning though they are a minority in the nation! They know what to do.

[Scrivener7]

36. Cheerleading would be good.

[Demsrule86]

83. This is the best deal we can get. At this point, he helps Relublicans. People complain about

Sinema and Manchin and then this. There is a deal so he should just stop. We won't get anything better.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. Bernie is going to be the star of a number of RNC attack ads in the midterms

I can see these ads now.

[Nixie]

151. Me too. It's already happening. Bernie says it's no good, translating

that into Democrats failed.

[48656c6c6f20]

5. When in need of a parade to shit on, the independent Senator

from Vermont is ready and willing.

[Bev54]

50. He just goes on and on and on with the same speech he has given over the past

few days. Enough already, try to find the positives and carry on.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

60. Few days?

It’s the same speech he’s given for 10 years.

[LisaM]

64. 10 years?

Try 20 years, at least!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

65. Fair enough

I don’t remember him being so bad before the 2012 campaign when he threatened to primary Obama.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

154. I suppose that means you haven't had time to read his writings in the Liberty Union Party newspaper

that were digitized by the the University of Vermont several years ago?

Fascinating stuff.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

155. You mean the "women like rape" stuff?

I have seen that.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

161. No, more like his thoughts on the role of the state in owning the means of production

and distribution.

He wrote about his position on such economic matters rather expansively.

[Bev54]

67. Well I suppose, but I don't usually listen to him but I have been following

this bill and he takes the floor and talks about the same details in the bill over and over. I had to turn him off. I think once is enough.

[treestar]

162. SO TRUE! If only the Rs had a "Bernie" from their side!

We would at least have an even chance!

[aeromanKC]

7. JFC, just pass the bill already!!

Right when the Dems get some MOJO people want to be Debbie Downer. Get what we can get now with such slim majorities and then do what Manchin said a few months ago, elect MORE Dems!!

[70sEraVet]

9. I WANT THE INSULIN CAP TO GO INTO EFFECT BEFORE THE MID-TERMS!

I want people to SEE what Democrats are DOING for them!

[Celerity]

43. If you have private or no insurance, there will be no cap from this bill. I'm still trying to find

out about government-run heath programmes.


Drug-Price Bill Pruned in Senate in Partial Industry Win

Medicare to be allowed to negotiate drug prices for first time
Commercial market excluded from inflation cap on drugs

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-06/democrats-drug-price-plan-is-trimmed-by-senate-parliamentarian

https://archive.ph/Lil0M

Medicare was cleared to negotiate drug prices for the first time by the Senate’s top rules official, though the Democrats’ proposal intended to cap price increases for prescription drugs in the commercial market was blocked. A separate provision capping out-of-pocket costs for insulin at $35 per month for those with private insurance also was blocked, according to a person familiar with the matter. Democrats were still waiting for a decision on whether the limit could be applied under Medicare. The rulings are a partial victory for drug makers, who could try to make up their lost profits in Medicare on private insurers. The Senate parliamentarian, Elizabeth MacDonough, ruled that most of the drug-price bill is eligible for a fast-track budget process whereby Democrats, who have a narrow majority in the chamber, can pass legislation without the threat of a Republican filibuster.

The drug price provisions are part of a budget bill that the Senate plans to begin debating later Saturday, representing a slimmed-down version of President Joe Biden’s multi-trillion dollar domestic agenda. “Democrats have received extremely good news: for the first time, Medicare will finally be allowed to negotiate prescription drug prices, seniors will have free vaccines and their costs capped, and much more,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said in a statement. Yet the Senate rules official disallowed some provisions meant to stop drug companies from raising prices at a rate faster than inflation. The inflation rebate is allowed to be applied to Medicare prices, but not in the commercial market according to two people familiar with the ruling. The ruling on the inflation price penalty suggests the Senate official is likely to strike the cap in the private market as not closely related to the federal budget.

snip

Democrats originally designed the bill to require drug makers to pay the government revenue earned from raising the price of their products at more than the US inflation rate, calculated by units sold in both Medicare and commercial markets. Now, the legislation will not count commercial markets, which cover roughly 180 million Americans. MacDonough found that under Senate rules the inflation provisions of the bill were not primarily budgetary in nature. The bill would still allow Medicare to negotiate the prices for drugs it provides under Part B and Part D for the first time, would apply a tax to companies failing to comply with the negotiated price and apply a $2,000 cap on annual out-of-pocket expenses for people enrolled in Medicare Part D. Those parts were approved, Schumer said.

Limiting the inflation rebates to just Medicare means that drug makers can still annually raise prices for the two-thirds of Americans younger than 65 who have private health insurance. It will also limit some of the savings from the drug pricing provisions of the legislation, although how much is unclear. Under Senate rules designed by late West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd, provisions must be fiscal in nature rather than primarily regulatory in order to qualify for the fast-track budget reconciliation process.

snip

[Bev54]

51. There will be no cap in this bill unless the republicans vote with dems on

that provision. The parliamentarian has said it is not legal in this bill.

[JI7]

10. Many "little guys and gals" vote for Republicans that don't even support this

so until more "little guys and gals" vote for people that actually support better things this is the only way to get things which is better than just complaining about things not being good enough.

[Cha]

56. One would think he would

know that by now.

[betsuni]

70. Economic anxiety. The system is "corrupt and rigged," both parties are the same

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("Neither party is responding to their needs" ), and they're so angry about economic conditions that some Americans want to take up arms against the government. Republican voters are blameless! There is nobody to vote for that cares about them! Says something about a "multiparty system" being a solution, because impossible for a third party to be corrupt I guess.

It would be nice if everybody knew that Republicans vote because of identity, has nothing to do with policies or economics.

[JI7]

96. Yes, West Virginia votes for Right Wingers. Manchin is the most liberal person they are currently

voting for . And he has high approvals anytime he goes against Biden and Biden has low approvals in that state.

But somehow it's the democrats fault that people in West Virginia don't have better government serving them.

[treestar]

160. +1 million zillion

[Hortensis]

11. Seriously, don't rely on Sanders' interpretation.

Turn to explanations from well respected neutral analysts to develop understanding of what is being done and also understanding of how what Sanders is telling viewers differs.

[questionseverything]

21. Why don't you tell us what he is misinterpreting?

[G2theD]

58. All I hear are blowhard crickets.

[Hortensis]

120. We all need to inform ourselves as if we had no partisan loyalties

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that allow us to believe our chosen leaders will speak truth and that disagreement by others proves them wrong. Belief about reality and facts shouldn't be based on faith, secular-political or religious. Anything else risks a downward spiral to factional idiocy and even self radicalization. As we all are witnesses to.

Questionseverything, my experience is that those who do question everything routinely educate themselves far better than most. They are able respond to discussion with reliable information. In contrast are those already mentioned. Since you asked, I will point you casually to Vox's survey article on this bill for a start. Vox, which claims its mission is "explaining the news," is of course not the nonexistent one true source of truth. But is could be a quick check for discovering things Sanders may not mention and ways in which their analysis strongly disagrees. To be pursued with further information seeking.

Of course Sanders himself has his own ideas about what truth is and is very proud that his viewpoints are outliers. Far from denying it, he's spent his entire life believing even the best of mainstream political thinking, including that of liberal Democrats, is wrong -- and saying so all the time.

But it's critical to admit that all the generally best respected experts normally disagree with Sanders on at very least some important aspects, and again -- very important for those who want to be knowledgeable contributors to the solutions to our problems: Sanders frequently chooses not to mention aspects others consider indispensable to understanding. It's great if learning is stimulated by his statements, but it should not stop there.

[Sympthsical]

77. The CBO noted it does nothing for inflation

Which is kind of a . . . thing given the bill's title.

I'll take any win that can be used before the midterms, because something is going to be better than nothing.

However, I'd appreciate that heavy attempts at gaslighting not accompany it.

[Scrivener7]

14. What Democratic legislation has passed in the past 10 years that he didn't dislike?

I can't remember any.

[mahina]

17. Oh come on

[Scrivener7]

26. .

[MrsCoffee]

107. +1

[Kingofalldems]

15. So are you against the bill?

[Baked Potato]

23. A win is a win. Politics ain't pretty. Nt

[Autumn]

24. lower prices on 10 drugs that comes into play in 4 years and not everyone gets them at

the lower price, and a shitload of subsidies for fossil fuels, who are currently making record profits will certainly reduce inflation for people.

[Novara]

25. It's not a perfect bill

Is it so awful to admit that?

If Manchin and Sinema weren't such preening fucks, we could have gotten a lot more done. We're supposed to be grateful if this actually passes, and believe me, I am grateful for Biden to get a win. Any such win is good for Biden, especially in light of gas prices dropping and the great job numbers of late.

But we could have gotten a much better bill if Manchin and Sinema weren't holding the Dems - and Biden - hostage to their little dramas.

So it's good. But it's not great. It could have been great, and it could have been done months ago.

[Johnny2X2X]

30. No one said it's perfect.

Manchin got a lot for the fossil fuel industry in exchange for all the good in this bill.

[Scrivener7]

33. In the history of our country there has never been a perfect bill.

That's how our system works.

[867-5309.]

31. If he doesn't leverage his vote, his objections don't really matter

And he won't.

[ColinC]

47. Exactly. All he is doing is reiterating the progre agenda -much of which will likely be a reality if

Dems win full control of Congress.

[brooklynite]

37. This is no longer MR SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON...

If Senator Sanders wants to be a Leader, he should be working behind the scenes to get the votes for his policies, taking into account the risks of losing the entire Bill. Floor speeches make supporters feel good, but don’t advance anything.

[NewsCenter28]

79. This floor spectacle tonight

Is exactly why the 45th president was DJT, except Election 2016 was this tonight x 10,000. Honestly, I was not interested in the least to hear these sour grapes on the senate floor tonight. Was not really interested in hearing echoes of Moscow Mitch either.

[Music Man]

38. Sanders has been more helpful than Manchin or Sinema, and he's earned the right to say what he wants

Nothing Sanders is saying is incorrect. While a big deal, this bill is far less than what is needed, and DUers know it. I don't need to be constantly patronized by my representatives. I can simultaneously support something and recognize its flaws (see: the Affordable Care Act).

[Drum]

72. Absolutely!

[Demsrule86]

85. No he has not been helpful. This is the best we can do and I am pleased personally..

What is his end game - to blow up the bill? I see no purpose in this sort of behavior.

[questionseverything]

102. So are you just as mad at warnock?

He is offering amendments too

[lapucelle]

91. How so? N/T

[MrsCoffee]

109. Good question.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

39. I trust the CBO

Link to tweet

[AntivaxHunters]

45. Hmmmm........

It would seem Bernie is getting some amendments done and also what Walker said

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=XOkq8S70i6EsaO7kxSTk9Q

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=XOkq8S70i6EsaO7kxSTk9Q

[ColinC]

46. +10,000

Not to mention that Bernie is actually VOTING for the bill.

[Celerity]

54. Sweden bans extraction of coal, oil and natural gas and tightens rules on extraction from alum shale

A ban on extracting coal, oil and natural gas in Sweden will enter into force in Sweden on 1 July this year. It will be an important step in the process of transitioning to a fossil-free society. This was announced by Minister for climate and the environment Annika Strandhäll on World Environment Day, on June 5th.



https://www.government.se/press-releases/2022/06/sweden-bans-extraction-of-coal-oil-and-natural-gas-and-tightens-rules-on-extraction-from-alum-shale/

Published 08 June 2022

The Government is giving priority to creating jobs by accelerating the climate transition. Measures against the extraction of substances that are harmful to health and the environment are therefore needed.

“We are tightening environmental legislation by banning the extraction of fossil fuels such as coal, oil and natural gas. Breaking the entire chain of fossil dependence, from extraction to use, is crucial for Sweden to continue to be a leader in the climate transition,” says Minister for Climate and the Environment Annika Strandhäll.

“The green and digital transitions will create more jobs and require more metals and minerals. Nevertheless, we must never stray from the environmental legislation. Sweden will also lead the way and ban the extraction of coal, oil and natural gas, and tighten the rules for extraction from alum shale to play our part in the climate transition,” says Minister for Business, Industry and Innovation Karl-Petter Thorwaldsson.

The bill proposes amendments to the Swedish Environmental Code and the Minerals Act. The amendments include a ban on the extraction of coal, lignite, crude oil, shale oil and natural gas in the same way that has been done with uranium, as well as tighter rules for extraction from alum shale. The legislative amendments will enter into force on 1 July 2022.

[lapucelle]

92. This Walker Bragman?

It's Not About Privilege: Voting Jill Stein is About Valuing the Democratic Process
By Walker Bragman | August 18, 2016 | 10:30am

https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/jill-stein/its-not-about-privilege-voting-jill-stein-is-about/

[AntivaxHunters]

93. Are you upset at Sen Warnock too?

He's putting forth an amendment too.
Or is this just a Bernie thing?

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=8dTDqlupL9WptTFzGZMi5Q

[lapucelle]

95. Why would anyone dump Walker Bragman's garbage here on DU?

[AntivaxHunters]

97. Why are you deflecting?

[lapucelle]

105. Deflecting what?

Someone dumped Walker Bragman's garbage on DU.

I simply pointed out that Walker Bragman is either stupid or manipulative.

I chose "stupid" because Walker Bragman actually argued that Trump was "the lesser of two evils" in the 2016 general election.

And for some reason, it morphed into my being "upset" about amendments.

Someone deflected, but it wasn't me.

[kcr]

134. Why couldn't you come up with a better source than Walker Bragman?

[Demsrule86]

139. This is a right wing source. You should self - delete.

[lapucelle]

94. "Also what Walker said..."

Either "Walker" is too stupid to realize that adding any amendment would restart the process by sending the bill back to the CBO and the parliamentarian or "Walker" is so cynical and manipulative that he thinks his followers will simply buy what he's selling because they don't know how the reconciliation process works.

I'll go with stupid.

"The piece James Kirchick is referring to ["Walker's" editorial "A liberal case for Donald Trump: The lesser of two evils is not at all clear in 2016"] argues that the hysteria over Trump is overblown because he and Clinton are both awful.

"Jill Stein represents my values. I don't think Hillary Clinton does. I definitely don't think Donald Trump does," Bragman said in the interview.

He called both Clinton and Trump "intolerable."

https://www.salon.com/2016/08/17/no-they-dont-support-trump-smeared-left-wing-writers-debunk-the-myth/

[AntivaxHunters]

98. Now do Warnock

Who just introduced an amendment.

Are you mad at him too or just Bernie? Do the same rules apply or not?

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=8dTDqlupL9WptTFzGZMi5Q

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=LgybWCAK-GX-5Hf7RvW_Gw

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=LgybWCAK-GX-5Hf7RvW_Gw

[lapucelle]

99. Democrats have known about Senator Warnock's amendment since Thursday.

And Senator Warnock has known that it it would be voted down for the past several days.

There's a strategy behind offering this particular amendment. Senator Warnock is fighting to retain his seat. If offering this amendment helps Senator Warnock accomplish that goal, then it's a good thing.

Didn't "Walker" tell you that?

[questionseverything]

104. So warnock's amendments are fine but Bernie is horrid for doing the same?

[lapucelle]

108. My post was about Walker Bragman's garbage being dumped here.

As for the junior senator from Vermont's amendments, it seems unlikely that their purpose is to help him win a tight race three months from now.

[questionseverything]

111. Bernie's amendments are to help the American people

[lapucelle]

114. How? He's the chair of the Budget Committee. He knows how reconciliation works.

If we hold on to the Senate, we'll have another crack at a reconciliation bill in five months.

Sanders should be hard at work drafting that bill and trying to build consensus.

Will his floor speech and/or amendments help or hurt Democratic turnout in November? If it depresses Democratic turnout, how does that "help the American people"?

Who benefits from trash talking the bill? Who benefits from amplifying Lindsey Graham's talking points?

Cui bono?

Not Democrats. Not the American people.

[questionseverything]

116. Bernie and warnock are both offering amendments as is their right as senators

Neither are hurting democrats chances in November

Your negative accusations might hurt us though

[lapucelle]

121. What are you talking about? What "negative accusations"?

He's the chair of the Budget Committee. He knows how reconciliation works.

If we hold on to the Senate, we'll have another crack at a reconciliation bill in five months.

Sanders should be hard at work drafting that bill and trying to build consensus.

Will his floor speech and/or amendments help or hurt Democratic turnout in November? If it depresses Democratic turnout, how does that "help the American people"?

Who benefits from trash talking the bill? Who benefits from amplifying Lindsey Graham's talking points?

Not Democrats. Not the American people.

[questionseverything]

127. You don't get to direct any senators and decide what they should be doing

I am so grateful Bernie offered up the child tax credit, even though there is no chance it will be included, when it was law it raised 40% of poor children out of poverty

People need to be reminded what is possible

[lapucelle]

133. So you've dropped the claim that I'm "depressing the Democratic vote by making negative accusations"

and now the claim is that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about what senators should be doing?

No senator who caucuses with Democrats should be trash talking the Inflation Reduction Act by using talking points from the Lindsey Graham playbook.

So sue me.

[Demsrule86]

143. For shame, the guy you quote is a Jill Stein voter and endorsed her...not a credible source...it

should not be posted here.

[brooklynite]

49. "The GOP approves this message"

Link to tweet

[YoshidaYui]

55. was there not a bill recently that even though it was

a major disappointment, it still did some things, to improve the situation?? so WHAT TF is wrong with this bill, baby steps are better than no step forward at all.

i just remembered it was gun legislation, that recently passed!!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

61. Hallelujah!

Preach!

[mcar]

52. What has Bernie done to get a better bill

crafted and passed?

[Nixie]

74. Good question. The negotiations needed unity for results. Months

later there are results, but without him.

[betsuni]

75. +1

[AZ8theist]

63. Tell us again how many bills Sanders has written that became law?

And 2 Post Office names don't count.....

[LuvLoogie]

68. But her emails.

Didn't he vote for every Democratic bill that passed since Barack?

He could simply say "It's a start. We can finally begin to counter and reverse the damage and sabotage done by the previous administration. Of course it doesn't go far enough, in my opinion, but in this climate it beats the default GOP position of obstruction.

Joe Biden and the Democratic caucus are pushing in the right direction, making real progress.

I will never be satisfied until we have a clean environment, housing, Healthcare and education for all.

I may die before we achieve it, but the fight will never stop until we do. Then we'll have to fight to keep it."

[StrkSrviver]

71. I don't know

How progressives don't realize that 2 steps forward and 1 to the side is still progress. Another thing, people pay attention to progress. Passing this legislation, no matter how faulty it may be in some peoples eyes, is a positive headline. The more of those we get, the better the chances are to keep the House and expand the Senate which would allow for more progressive legislation. Just a little more patience and concentrate on one step at a time. Keeping the House is doable and necessary.

[betsuni]

81. How? He says both sides.

[Demsrule86]

82. That is untrue,

It will help.

[Johnny2X2X]

100. Bernie is grandstanding

He’s adding amendments now he knows Dems support but cant support as part of this bill and he knows it. He wants to make the party look bad and he wants to make it seem like he’s the only one that supports the things he’s proposing.

Bernie is destructive. He wants to appear as a lone crusader for the middle class when his party is fighting for the middle class too. He’s acting like a child. Yes Bernie, Dems want to further strength Social Security and Medicare too, but it’s not part of this bill, the bill falls apart if it’s in there.

Republicans would be smart if when Bernie comes up with his craziest amendment, that they all join him and vote for it, knowing that Manchin and Sinema would kill the bill if it’s changed significantly.

[questionseverything]

106. Same for warnock? Right?

[lapucelle]

112. Did Senator Warnock open the debate with a speech trash-talking the bill?

Has Senator Warnock said anything that mirrors Lindsey Graham's talking points?

Has the official twitter account of Senate Republicans touted anything Senator Warnock said as the "truth" about the bill?

Nope, it's not the same.

[questionseverything]

113. Both senators are wanting to add pieces the original legislation is missing

It is hypocritical to demonize one senator while glorifying the other

[lapucelle]

115. You didn't answer the questions. N/T

[questionseverything]

117. Both senators are offering amendments

Either it’s fine for both or not

[lapucelle]

123. That particular logical fallacy has several names.

[Demsrule86]

125. I know you think this is a gotcha moment but it is not. Warnock represents Georgia who did

not expand Medicaid. Thus, many poor Georgians are without health care. He is running for reelection unlike Sanders also. Also, this could actually be added to the bill if it meets the parliamentarian standards...what sanders is calling for will not be added to this bill.

[questionseverything]

129. I have no problem with warnock offering amendments

I just feel every senator deserves the same respect

They shouldn’t stop working unless they’re up for re election

[MrsCoffee]

131. Respect is earned and is a two way street.

Don't expect people to respect anyone crying about the "so-called inflation reduction act". Bernie could have handled this in a manner that was respectful to Democrats and respectful to our current situation.

[Demsrule86]

138. It is not a matter of respect. It is a matter of what is possible. Sen. Sanders knows that what

he wants will not be in this bill. Maybe Warnock can get this in, I don't know, but as far as I know, it is not a poison pill. I would like to see Georgia get health care...it is terrible that they don't have it But if we can't then we can't...come back in January and fix it.

[lapucelle]

130. A "gotcha moment"? I think there's a distinction between what the two senators are doing.

If the bill is amended, it goes back to the CBO and the parliamentarian. And then the process starts all over again. Both senators know that.

Democrats have known about Senator Warnock's amendment since August 4. Warnock has known it would be voted down for days.

Then why offer it? It's strategic in that Warnock's having proposed it might drive voter turnout and help him win reelection.

That's the distinction.

[Demsrule86]

136. Sen. Warnock will vote for the bill. I doubt it would affect the parlimentarian review anyway.

The only hold-up would be Manchin and Sinema, and I can't see either of them caring one way or the other about the Warnock amendment. Sanders is demanding changes that would blow the bill up and would never be agreed to by Manchin or Sinema.

[lapucelle]

144. This Roll Call article gives a good overview on Democratic strategy on amendments to this bill.

All 48 Democrats and the two independents that caucus with them banded together to oppose Republicans' amendments, defeating them all on party-line votes.

When Democrats wanted their members to be able to vote in favor of something, one of them would raise a budget point of order, triggering a motion to waive it that is subject to a 60-vote threshold instead of a simple majority.

That procedural maneuvering allowed the four Democrats considered most vulnerable in the November midterm elections — Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, Mark Kelly of Arizona, Raphael Warnock of Georgia and Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire — as well as other party centrists to show their support for the underlying amendment. They could vote to waive the point of order without worrying about it being added to the bill and potentially undermining unified Democratic support for the larger package.

https://rollcall.com/2022/08/07/democrats-remain-largely-united-on-vote-a-rama-amendments/

[Demsrule86]

156. That makes sense thank you...we don't want our folks hurt during this vote.

[lapucelle]

158. Madame Vice President just broke the tie on the Warner amendment...

and the Inflation Reduction Act is about to be passed.

[Demsrule86]

141. You do understand that all the amendments are being objected to and will not keep the bill from

passing at the end?

[lapucelle]

145. Yes. N/T

[MrsCoffee]

122. One of these things is not like the other.

And those who keep bringing Warnock into the discussion know it.

And so do Republicans who have now picked up Bernie’s pet name “the so-called Inflation Reduction Act”.

Disgusting.

[Demsrule86]

124. No, as far as I know, neither Sinema nor Manchin are against expanding health care to Georgia.

Warnock is running for reelection and it is an important issue for his state. He is not grandstanding.

[questionseverything]

128. Bernie's amendments are important issues for Americans

[Demsrule86]

148. No they are not at the moment...no chance of getting any of them...no amendment will be

permitted as it would blow up the deal...waste of time...only help Republicans.

[questionseverything]

150. Just like warnock's

[Scrivener7]

118. And he's doing it 4 months before one of the most important elections in our history.

There should not be a single non-repubiQan right now who hasn't donned their cheerleader uniform.

Surely they can all manage it for 4 months.

[boston bean]

101. He's a breaker for sure!

[Hotler]

132. But, we got Joe Biden a legacy for the history books. nt

[Johnny2X2X]

135. Bernie doing his best to depress Dem turnout

Just look at this thread if Dems now crapping on this bill. Look at Twitter. My Facebook Feed has Bernie supporters posting stuff like, “see, just a jig corporate giveaway, this is why I’ll never vote Dem again, they’re the same as the GOP.”

He just can’t help himself.

[Autumn]

142. Bernie telling the truth as always.

Fact is is gives a shitload of tax breaks to the oil companies. corporations and the wealthy.

[Johnny2X2X]

149. Then why is he voting for it?

There good and bad in it, but the good far outweighs the bad. That’s what happens when you compromise because of a 50-50 Senate.

[Autumn]

153. Because he believes we must not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

At least that always applies to Manchin and Sinema. But they are dems. But we all know damn good and well it can be better if not for some politicians and it sure as hell doesn't go far enough toward meeting our needs and that should be pointed out loudly and often.

Instead of complaining about Bernie there are others who have done their best to derail Biden's agenda and give more to corporations who are robbing us blind. They always get a pass here.

But yeah Bernie is bad.

[spanone]

137. 'so called'

bullshit

[Demsrule86]

140. All of these amendments will be objected to and when this vot-a-rama is over... the bill will be

voted on as it is. I have no doubt that all Democrats and those who caucus with Democrats will vote for it so...a big who cares. I sincerely hope we keep the house and we come back in January to vote on some of the good stuff we can't get right now.

[Demsrule86]

146. What is truly sad is your post which helps Republicans...

[BannonsLiver]

152. ...