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ck4829

(35,093 posts)
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 10:33 AM Aug 2022

The One Thing People Can Do to Keep Anyone Who Has an Abortion Out of Prison

Restoring the rights lost in Dobbs will require massive political mobilization–far more than any one person could possibly achieve. But one person is all it takes to stave off at least some of the most devastating harms of criminalization. A single juror’s vote of “not guilty” can spare a defendant—any potential parent, doctor, friend, or anyone else prosecuted and brought to trial—from criminal conviction. Regardless of the strength of the evidence. Regardless of what the judge believes. Regardless of how many other jurors disagree. It’s every juror’s super-power.

Jury nullification–or the power of jurors to vote to acquit even in the face of overwhelming evidence–is rooted in English common law and has been an American tradition since before the nation’s founding. For instance, in 1735, a journalist and printer named John Peter Zenger was charged with libel for publishing articles critical of New York’s colonial governor. Zenger did not deny publishing the articles. Instead, he argued that they were true. Although “truth” was not a valid defense to libel at the time, he asked the jury to acquit him on that ground nonetheless. They did. Other examples of nullification abound. Juries nullified prosecutions of abolitionists charged under the Fugitive Slave Act and businesspeople charged with alcohol-trafficking during Prohibition.

The courts have consistently upheld jurors’ “undisputed power” to nullify. In 1895, Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan ruled in Sparf v. United States, “(Jurors) receive the instructions of the judge; but they are not obliged to follow his instructions.” Twenty-five years later, in Horning v. District of Columbia, the high court again affirmed jurors’ “power to bring in a verdict in the teeth of both law and facts.” In United States v. Dougherty, the D.C. Circuit lauded nullification “as a necessary counter to case hardened judges and arbitrary prosecutors.” The Seventh Circuit agreed, noting, “tacit toleration of jury verdicts of innocence, in apparent contradiction to clear proof of guilt, affords adequate protection to the ‘conscience’ function of the jury.” As criminal prosecutions continue to swell in Dobbs’ wake, jurors’ willingness to exercise their “conscience function” will be as important as ever.

Nullification is not easy. Judges may remove jurors who openly acknowledge that they may not apply the law as instructed. Prosecutors peremptorily strike those whom they believe are likely to acquit. And, even as courts confirm jurors’ power to nullify, they condone judges’ refusal to educate jurors about it. As the D.C. Circuit explained, the fact that the jury retains the power to nullify “does not establish as an imperative that the jury must be informed by the judge of that power.” Instead, the court continued, “the jury must feel … so strongly that it must itself … independently initiate and undertake an act in contravention of the established instructions.” In other words, jurors have the power, but not the right to know about it.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/roe-v-wade-how-to-keep-women-who-have-abortions-from-going-to-prison.html


When an unaccountable Supreme Court justice cites a jurist who believed in witchcraft and that dreams were evidence, it is up to the people to act and nullify the crazy laws that spring forth from that insanity.
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The One Thing People Can Do to Keep Anyone Who Has an Abortion Out of Prison (Original Post) ck4829 Aug 2022 OP
As a prospective juror I will answer questions as Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #1
+1,000,000,000 nt Hela Aug 2022 #2
The standard has been set. Until that's corrected, we're all held to Coathanger's standard. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #8
It's not just abortion; it's any law. But here's a really useful toolkit on what it means and how it WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2022 #3
GREAT resource! It's easy to think we would just go in and say, "Not guilty", but this is a great Grown2Hate Aug 2022 #5
Very good info ck4829 Aug 2022 #6
Having worked as an anti-rape volunteer, I figured I would lie if ever called for a jury. lark Aug 2022 #4
"Jury nullification? What's what?" ck4829 Aug 2022 #7
Why I really have no earthly idea, she said. lark Aug 2022 #13
But before that jurors take oaths to uphold the law. I'm not saying Hortensis Aug 2022 #9
He cited a jurist who thought dreams were evidence. What kind of 'law' comes from that? ck4829 Aug 2022 #10
Jurors need to be mindful and capable of understanding Hortensis Aug 2022 #11
A bad judgment would be a verdict of guilty ck4829 Aug 2022 #12
Well, we all know juries are supposed to decide on individual cases, Hortensis Aug 2022 #16
Jury nullification is what got the Bundy gang off in Oregon (Malheur). jeffreyi Aug 2022 #14
Yes. And people who helped fugitive slaves escape to freedom ck4829 Aug 2022 #15
Agree. jeffreyi Aug 2022 #20
until the coup plotters are tried i plan on voting not guilty on any jury im on for victimless crime moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #17
This is exactly why Trump will never be in prison Tree Lady Aug 2022 #18
An unfortunate fact. They will use it. So should we. ck4829 Aug 2022 #19

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
3. It's not just abortion; it's any law. But here's a really useful toolkit on what it means and how it
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:12 AM
Aug 2022

can be done. Now is the time to read up on it -- not after you get a jury notification, not after you're called.

https://beyondcourts.org/en/act/voting-not-guilty-toolkit-jury-nullification

Grown2Hate

(2,013 posts)
5. GREAT resource! It's easy to think we would just go in and say, "Not guilty", but this is a great
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 12:17 PM
Aug 2022

guide for everything leading up to it and how to make it happen. Bookmarking, thank you.

lark

(23,158 posts)
4. Having worked as an anti-rape volunteer, I figured I would lie if ever called for a jury.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:47 AM
Aug 2022

I wouldn't say that the man should be imprisoned for life and chemically castrated - also for life - because I'd keep that private.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. But before that jurors take oaths to uphold the law. I'm not saying
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:34 PM
Aug 2022

I wouldn't do it in a truly egregious case, I would. But!!! Definitely a worst case.

An alternative would be to be to say no to those "would you be able to" questions and explain inability to take the oath.

ck4829

(35,093 posts)
10. He cited a jurist who thought dreams were evidence. What kind of 'law' comes from that?
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:52 PM
Aug 2022

Worst case?

"You have arrived at your destination"

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Jurors need to be mindful and capable of understanding
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:55 PM
Aug 2022

both legal and ethical issues, CK. And of making sense of facts and irrelevancies presented so that attempts to confuse them into bad judgements don't work.

ck4829

(35,093 posts)
12. A bad judgment would be a verdict of guilty
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 03:08 PM
Aug 2022

We are here because of a long train of bad judgments:

"The U.S. has the highest maternal mortality rate among developed countries. Obstetrician-gynecologists (ob-gyns) are overrepresented in its maternity care workforce relative to midwives, and there is an overall shortage of maternity care providers (both ob-gyns and midwives) relative to births. In most other countries, midwives outnumber ob-gyns by severalfold, and primary care plays a central role in the health system. Although a large share of its maternal deaths occur postbirth, the U.S. is the only country not to guarantee access to provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period."

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/nov/maternal-mortality-maternity-care-us-compared-10-countries


Republicans playing doctor has led to this, a healthcare system that prioritizes money over people has led to this... We are here. This is the worst possible case. It says hi.

And as for the law? I care more about the people attached to that "highest maternal mortality rate", a lot of things have failed them, including that law that we have to supposedly uphold.

Where is the law for them?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Well, we all know juries are supposed to decide on individual cases,
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 04:49 PM
Aug 2022

not arrive already decided on guilt. I'm guessing we'd both approach juror responsibilities different from social media discussions.

ck4829

(35,093 posts)
15. Yes. And people who helped fugitive slaves escape to freedom
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 03:28 PM
Aug 2022
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.982.1702&rep=rep1&type=pdf

If it comes to slaves escaping and people who help them on one side vs the law on the other. I'm siding with the former 100% of the time.

I'll say this for a number of things: Including what the SCOTUS is bringing down on our heads.

Tree Lady

(11,498 posts)
18. This is exactly why Trump will never be in prison
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 05:00 PM
Aug 2022

Odds are at least one republican will be on jury and let him off.

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