No, the pro lifers are not giving up

[Racygrandma]

I know they will try it again. Especially if Kris Kobach wins Attorney General. Just read an article online from the Washington Examiner.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-s-the-matter-with-kansas-pro-lifers-didn-t-persuade-their-voters/ar-AA10nUZi?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=945ea20ea3994e87865991ace0eb07bb

They blame bad messaging. No, number one who wants to get in an argument with a pro lifer. It is a discussion everyone avoids. Those guys do nothing but run guilt trips and do nothing to help young mothers. I saw the Vote No homemade signs, these guys were motivated. I could be wrong but it looks to me the Pro Choice people are simply hiding.

[markie]

1. pro-lifers

is a misnomer... however I understand that reporters sometimes use that inaccurate term

[Nevilledog]

2. Forced birthers is the accurate name.

[ARPad95]

3. They're not pro-lifers... they're pro-forced birth nut jobs.

[Leith]

4. They are NOT pro-life

They are against
- prenatal care
- postnatal care
- universal healthcare
- giving food to hungry children
- making schools places of learning and facts
- simple kindness
- freedom and equality for everybody.

They are for
- guns
- racism
- attacking anyone who doesn't think and look exactly like them
- punishing women for having sex, either willingly or unwillingly.

They have weaponized motherhood and are slamming down hard on women while letting sperm donors off without another thought.


Pro-life, my ass.

[Racygrandma]

5. Exactly right

[DFW]

11. They are also:

Pro-death penalty
Pro-killing animals to eat them

That's not "pro-life." It's "pro-death." General Millán Astray's speech on October 12, 1936, glorifying the fascist uprising that was the start of the Spanish Civil War: "¡Viva la muerte!"--Long Live Death--typifies them. After being put down in best John Stewart style by respected Basque author, Miguel de Unamuno, Millán Astray rose again shouting (sound familiar?), "Death to intellectuals! Down with intelligence!" (again, sound familiar?)

I can only echo: pro-life, my ass.

[CrispyQ]

6. We had to vote a couple of times against fetal personhood bills in CO.

Legal abortion has now been codified in our state, but a national abortion ban, like McConnell suggested republicans would consider if they ever gain control of Congress & the White House would undo that. These fuckers are not going to stop until we have such majorities they finally fade from insignificance. IDK, though. Trump got 11 million more votes the second time around, even after people saw what a fucking disaster he was.

[867-5309.]

7. It's never ending hand-to-hand combat at the state level now

There will back and forths for years. But the general trend will be pro-choice, imo.

[BlackSkimmer]

8. That is absolutely the wrong term for them.

"Pro-life"? nope

[MuseRider]

9. I don't think KKKobach

has missed running in any election since he lost the governorship. IIRC he has lost 4 big elections for state offices.

The man is a joke, even here. He flounders around looking for whatever it is that gets his kind of voters riled up and they do get riled up but vote for someone else. Papers please was not popular here. He is not popular here. However, this is Kansas and Republicans rule all (except the women right now *POW*). Riding around in parades on the back of a car with something that looked like an old machine gun propped up and in his hands was laughable.

In most places not as solidly Republican I would consider him a laughing stock Republican but here there are many people who would forgive that. The other bad point that he has along with Schmidt who is running against Laura Kelly is that they are both Brownback boys. I have never once heard anyone say they wish they could go back to the old Brownback days. LOL, not once.

We will see what happens with the new power we seem to have found here. People who were dead serious about voting NO made it known that they will not put up with anyone who would stand in their way. Believe me, we HAVE the info on voters and we were able to get it done. With so many who finally registered just to vote NO I am more hopeful that I have ever been that people like Kobach will not be able to get in. ***JMO, I had not even thought about him yet until today.

[blue neen]

10. What does this mean?:

" I could be wrong but it looks to me the Pro Choice people are simply hiding."

[DFW]

12. I wouldn't say hiding.

Just tired of, as Barney Frank so aptly put it, "arguing with a dining room table."

[blue neen]

14. The pro-choice people just won a huge victory in Kansas last week.

That would not have happened if they were "hiding". Just my humble opinion.

[H2O Man]

13. Recommended.

Very important! Thank you!

[Voltaire2]

15. They are Forced Birthers.

Please don’t use their framing.

[IcyPeas]

16. Kris Kobach Is So Bad At Law A Judge Ordered Him To Take Remedial Classes

Kris Kobach Might Be The Next Attorney General Of Kansas So Let's All Remember That He's So Bad At Law A Judge Ordered Him To Take Remedial Classes

Kobach previously served as the state’s secretary of state, where he launched an effort to strip minorities of voting rights through intimidation and bureaucratic obstacles that ended so badly that the judge ordered him to take CLE courses on Kansas procedure or Evidence after fining him for making “patently misleading representations to the court.” The state had to cough up $1.9 million to settle the Kobach’s legal screwups.

Kobach kept telling small towns to pass illegal laws about immigration and then collected fees as the towns hemorrhaged money trying to defend the ordinances. So why not take it up a notch and give him the budget of a whole state!

*****

.... First, Kobach demanded that every state send the Commission the name, date of birth, address, voting history, and partial social security number for every registered voter. Disclosing this data violated the laws of several states, including Kansas, so Secretary of State Kris Kobach was regretfully forced to tell Lord High Vote Commissioner Kris Kobach to take a hike, at least as far as social security numbers were concerned.

But many states did send in their voter data, which Kobach helpfully parked on a shared database. He then sent the password to that database of 98 million voters to all 32 participating secretaries of state via unencrypted email. But to save hackers the trouble, Florida just released the email in response to a FOIA request.

Which is how Kobach’s vote fraud commission wound up getting sued for violating federal privacy and data protection laws. Then Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, one of those pesky Democrats shoehorned into the group, sued Kobach for failing to include him on emails or even include him in meetings. And just as Kobach was on the cusp of discovering evidence of the millions of illegal voters who swung the popular vote against Trump, the president shut the Commission down.

Link to tweet

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/04/will-kris-kobach-be-bringing-his-most-excellent-lawyering-skills-to-dhs/
https://abovethelaw.com/?s=Kris+Kobach

[Racygrandma]

17. Okay, the issue is complicated

This is hard to explain. From my own personal experience, I was born with bent legs. The doctors told my mother I would not walk. But I just tell people I got up and walked anyway. If you watch me, you would never know. I always did well in school. But for years we never knew what it was. Then my granddaughter who had cancer at 9 months (she is 12 now) had a doctor look at her and saw what they call cafe au leigh spots. That is what shows up when a condition called Neurofibromatosis type 1 (also type 2 and 3). So the second doctor said no, and the third doctor said yes. Then I had genetic testing looking for a cancer gene and it showed what they called "a genetic variation of unknown significance. So, we find out if is NF1, but a rare form that they have never seen before. What I am saying I think a lot of people are going through a lot of stuff that they just do not want to discuss, not even to the pollster calling on the phone.
What I am saying there is a lot of personal things going on out there that people do not want to discuss. I called cousins and tried to ask about family history, guess what, they would not return my calls. I know I am not the only one out there. I think of genetic mental illness and who knows what else. They will vote no, but they will not talk to you about it.