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(22,037 posts)And to whom?
Thank you, in advance.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They said she was stable and now she's in critical condition and on a ventilator.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)I asked for prayers for her. That isn't too technically difficult.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I guess you could have asked for positive thoughts as well.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I'm just explaining where I believe the criticism is coming from.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)and we are not animals.
You can send good vibes without any specific religion, even if you have no particular direction or spiritual belief.
I should have known that there would be a negative response, but I am allowed to feel bad that she might never be weaned from the vent, or maybe burned her right foot off. I just think that it wouldn't hurt anything or anyone here. She seems a lost soul. I feel bad for her. That's why.
EOM.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Residential neighborhoods at 100 miles per hour?
She is lucky that she isn't facing vehicular homicide charges. Her actions were reckless and criminal.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)and no one died, by Grace. It's better to be forgiving.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)recklessly endangered innocent lives. I have been on the scene of fatal accidents that were caused by reckless actions of the driver but I have never seen anything that was as reckless as she was. She only hit the house because she ran out of road.
Here are videos showing that she crashed into a garage and almost hit a pedestrian hit a pedestrian shortly before she floored the car into the final crash
People who recklessly use cars to endanger peoples lives are as culpable as people who fire guns into a crowd.
I hope she recovers and if the evidence shows that she was drinking and driving at high speeds and intentionally crashed her car that she serve a long prison term.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)As long as she only injured herself, she committed misdemeanors. So, if she lives, you will be disappointed.
Liberal In Texas
(13,558 posts)The homeowner was lucky to get out with her pets. A neighbor got her out and if she hadn't she'd be dead too.
It's doubtful Heche is going to survive this. And I think she was trying to kill herself.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)However, reality is that she damaged property and herself. I don't see her as any less deserving of grace and support than anyone else who did self harm in a mental health crisis.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,614 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)Why should I have sympathy?
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)BradAllison
(1,879 posts)If she isn't dead.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,172 posts)I was sorry to hear about this accident, along with her injuries...it's terrible.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)That's why I asked my question with respect. Your post was a non-sequitur and I wanted more information since you raised the subject.
I'm glancingly familiar with her work but I don't have any other feelings for Ms. Heche. You, EndlessWire, are clearly deeply concerned for her well-being and I commend you for your empathy. But since I hardly know anything about her, it's hard to care about her.
Then there's her accident. After I read your aggressive posts, I spent time researching what this was all about. She was videoed driving at a dangerously high speed and smashed her car into a house making it uninhabitable. This sounds like she bears some responsibility for the crash. There were also reports that she had been drinking in the hours before the crash.
With that knowledge, I'll hold off on my judgment until more facts are released.
I'm not religious or spiritual so that's why I asked to whom you want us to pray. Do as you please, of course.
You jumped to conclusions then took a defensive posture. I simply didn't know what you were writing about and was asking for more information. Since it was your post, I didn't think it was my job to go digging up the story. It's been a waste of my time, frankly, because I'm not interested in celebrities personal lives.
I'm glad the homeowner wasn't hurt and I hope the doctors and nurses can help Ms. Heche recover.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)OP: Please pray for Anne Heche.
#1: Respectfully, why?
OP: Because she is in trouble and we are not animals.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)The OP very clearly implied that people who don't pray when someone is in trouble are animals. Do you agree?
After that is resolved, we can change the subject to whether we think prayer is helpful, if you wish.
For reference:
#1: Respectfully, why?
OP: Because she is in trouble and we are not animals.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)Nothing wrong with that.
Just my 2 cents.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Voltaire2
(13,072 posts)First of all we are animals.
Secondly I think praying is idiotic, but just out of curiosity what exactly do you think praying accomplishes?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We are animals. We are primates. We are mammals. Many animals show concern for the well-being of other animals.
We have the same body structures and reproductive organs as other mammals. How can someone believe we are not also mammals, and thus animals?
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)If that's what she wants.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)in Los Angeles. It seems like it was the same day as the multiple car wreck, but a different location.
LakeArenal
(28,821 posts)Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)LakeArenal
(28,821 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)deliberate?
Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,327 posts)in a massive fire after recklessly driving her car at 100 mph through a residential neighborhood. I don't think that characterizing that as "she was in a car accident" is entirely accurate. The homeowner who had her home and all her possessions destroyed and was nearly killed is the true victim and is lucky to be alive at all.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)Shouldn't be too hard if someone wants more information. Ty for your comment.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)Croney
(4,661 posts)If prayers worked, President Clinton would be in the White House tonight.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)She could be in a medically induced coma. Or, not at all. But, she is on a vent. That's difficult to endure.
Croney
(4,661 posts)Not that CNN is always right.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)...and was downgraded from stable to critical. I don't have a source, but I believe I saw that reported by ABC News.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Sedation is part of that whole experience.
I hadn't heard anything about her foot, so that's a new one for me.
Personally, I feel more sorry for the woman whose house she destroyed, and who lost everything because of Heche's poor choices.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I hope she pulls through.
🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)She played the role of Deputy Superintendent Brennan very well.
MLAA
(17,299 posts)she did a great job. Sending her good vibes and relieved she didnt hurt anyone else. I hope she recovers and gets help.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)It won't make her feel better, it won't make me feel better, and it won't make you feel better.
Tens of thousands of people (who aren't celebrities) die every day. I assume folks aren't providing thoughts and prayers for all of them?
electric_blue68
(14,915 posts)and if the OP, and others like her work; believe in prayer, or sending good thoughts, or vibes there's nothing reason why they shouldn't.
I don't know her work, but sent her healing vibes since I happen to hear about it.
I almost always send strength, /or healing vibes for those I hear about in terrible accidents, victims of terrible crimes, war victims, natural disasters, etc when I hear about them.
Voltaire2
(13,072 posts)That does seem to me to be the actual motivation for people demanding we pray for people.
electric_blue68
(14,915 posts)Her praying does seem to make her feel better.
She didn't demand anyone pray; she requested, she said "Please".
I'm not demanding either I said "if one believes in prayer".
I do feel better sending "healing vibes" whatever you might think.
Voltaire2
(13,072 posts)I do feel better sending healing vibes - this praying nonsense doesnt benefit the person being prayed for it makes the person doing the praying feel better.
electric_blue68
(14,915 posts)I do believe in prayer, and energy healing vibes. You can call it "nosense" all you want.
Voltaire2
(13,072 posts)What mechanism causes the object of the prayer to be affected at a distance by the words uttered or thought by the person praying?
And, while on the subject of does prayer work, there have been a few rigorous scientific studies testing the hypothesis that intercessory prayer can affect health outcomes. There is no evidence they do. In one study (Templeton Foundation https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-prayer-prescription/) the only even slightly significant effect found was that people who knew they were being prayed for had slightly worse outcomes than those who didnt.
electric_blue68
(14,915 posts)EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)NoRethugFriends
(2,315 posts)If I thought prayers weren't just useless, meaningless blather, I'd be praying for the people dying in wars and starving, not rich people recklessly endangering lives.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)NoRethugFriends
(2,315 posts)Perhaps you would feel better if you remained silent.
Torchlight
(3,342 posts)shrike3
(3,626 posts)I have no problem with the post, but it may get a friendlier reception there?
Just a suggestion.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)This was reported in LBN and GD; I can't control the hatred that some DUers wish to express. We have a sad world right now. and we don't care about one another like we should. I think that adults shouldn't get so upset over another poster asking for consideration. People post their private sorrows publicly all the time, and ask for help. They aren't redirected.
But, there is a great deal of absolute hatred for rich people here. She worked in her business for years, which happens to pay more than most of us make. See how often the word "rich" is used in vitriol? And yet, if you won say, 2 billion dollars in a lottery, people wouldn't be sending that back. So, I don't understand the hatred.
I guess a lot of these responders will smile when and if she dies. It was a miracle that no one was killed, but it makes me incomprehensibly sad at what she is going through, because I know.
shrike3
(3,626 posts)Or your post. It was simply a suggestion. If you'd like to leave it here, that's certainly your right.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)reference to, and you immediately became defensive and rather hostile. Not everybody keeps up with celebrity news.
I would imagine there are even people who have no idea who she is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)no idea what this OP was about and thus read further and unfortunately found the thread badly derailed.
Since I'm here, though, imo it's very inappropriate -- in anyone -- to let this tragedy stimulate hostility against others that seemingly has nothing to do with Ms. Hecht's condition.
To the original intent, I'm not a person of faith, but all of those those genuinely hurt by this dreadful event have my sympathy and best wishes.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Or is it the fact that some people might publicly disagree with a publicly posted thread?
Voltaire2
(13,072 posts)that is pissing people off.
LeftInTX
(25,383 posts)Praying for a celebrity is kinda weird...
Let's pray for Kim Kardashian
Let's pray for Tiger Woods
Sky Jewels
(7,113 posts)I never understand why were supposed to pray to the same evil being that caused or allowed a bad thing to happen in the first place, but thats just me.
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Sky Jewels
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I dont believe in things for which there is zero evidence to support their existence. Thats all.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)LexVegas
(6,068 posts)Baggies
(503 posts)Her relationships and life have been all over the map. When you dont know who you are, its hard to be happy.
Celerity
(43,419 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)I pray and I believe in God. I have no interest in you feeling or practicing a faith like I do. Each person is entitled to their own path in life. You have chosen yours and I have chosen mine.
We should all be willing and able to accept one another for what we choose to believe as long as that belief isnt crammed down anothers throat.
Peace.
Celerity
(43,419 posts)nor did I opine about the wilful suspension of disbelief that is necessary to believe in a god or gods.
Hugin
(33,164 posts)I didnt know much about Anne Heche until this latest occurrence prompted me to read some of her biography.
She reminds me of a very dear friend from years ago. She would periodically enter fugue states where she would either become an automaton or completely shift personality for a period of time. When she emerged she was never the same as when the episode started. I did what I could for her, but it was inevitable that she would ultimately drift away. I have checked in on her several times over the years and she has lived many lives. None of them particularly bad. There has been no stability, however. My greatest wish for her was that she wouldnt meet a tragic end.
After reading Heches biography, I am reminded of a quote about Agent Starling.
There are shallow rollers and deep rollers. You can't breed two deep rollers, or their young will roll all the way down, hit, and die. - Hannibal Lecter
Both of Annes parents were deep rollers.
Unfortunately, it seems Anne has reached a point where she is in a terminal dive.
I am not surprised her condition has been downgraded. It takes a while for burn injuries to completely manifest their severity. I do wish her the best.
shrike3
(3,626 posts)It does seem that Ms. Heche entered adulthood with strikes against her. Very sad.
Goodheart
(5,334 posts)What good would that do?
Hekate
(90,714 posts)
Heches car rammed through the outside wall, didnt even slow down, and buried itself in the next wall. (Eyewitness report of neighbor who heard the crash and ran down the street to render aid. He got the trapped woman out, and her pets. Tried to get Heche out of her car but the fire took hold and he had to run for his own life. Los Angeles Times, this morning)
So, not wishing the comatose Heche any ill per se, but my heart really goes out to the woman who just lost her house and almost lost her life. I hope Heches insurance and/or estate can make her whole.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I still remember reading about Heche complaining about Covid protocols because they interfered with her son's graduation. Surprised me at the time, but it makes more sense now.
pinkstarburst
(1,327 posts)I wish no ill towards Anne Heche, but I wish the OP had instead started a thread praying for the true victim in this case, which is the poor woman who lost everything after Heche was driving 100 mph through a residential neighborhood and crashed into her house. She nearly died as well.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Between Heche's auto insurance and any homeowner's insurance the owner had, the home will be made whole. The owner will be inconvenienced but isn't going to be dead or spend months in a hospital.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Put yourself in her shoes if you can: she faced death and dismemberment up close, and the psychological impact of that is more than an inconvenience.
On the other hand, in another 100 mph Los Angeles neighborhood speeding crash on the same day, an entire family was wiped off the face of the Earth as they were on their way to the young mothers ob/gyn visit to see how her 8 1/2 month pregnancy was coming along. Just Gone. Husband, wife, toddler, unborn baby, and another adult.
The driver (not somebody famous) in that case was scarcely hurt at all due to her airbag system, and on closer examination turned out to have a long string of unsafe driving arrests in other states. As a traveling nurse, her next stop after California was going to be Hawaii.
So yeah, it could have been worse for Heches victim. Much, much worse.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I've been involved in accidents in which I was able to walk away despite the efforts of others to the contrary. In the worst instance, I was the passenger in an early 80s Tercel (picture: very small car) and it was broadsided by a mid-70s Buick (picture - very large car). The Buick was coming from the east - if you are familiar with Berkeley, CA that means down a fairly steep hill. The Tercel was headed north. Our light was green; the Buick's light was red, but neither car stopped. My arm went through the passenger window. I was wearing a seatbelt. Had I not been, the paramedic is convinced my body would have followed my arm out the window and I'd be dead. The drivers of both vehicles were unhurt. The Buick driver turned out to be indigent, uninsured, and homeless. Nevertheless, I suffered very minor injuries, was easily treated and had no permanent issues other than a little scarring. So from my perspective, I've been in those shoes. I count my blessings. I don't dwell on it.
That is a genuinely horrific story. Very sad for all.
It could have been, but it wasn't. Meanwhile, Heche is facing possible death or a very long recovery that may ensure she doesn't work anymore. I agree - she messed up. People do that, and I'm supposing that if she recovers, there will be legal consequences and civil damages to be paid.
Raine
(30,540 posts)in the fire and those are gone forever. Still it could've been worse, she wasn't killed or injured and neither were her animals.
ismnotwasm
(41,991 posts)Response to EndlessWire (Original post)
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Calculating
(2,955 posts)I'm not praying for selfish rich celebrities who try to commit suicide in ways that endanger innocent people. I'll pray that the person she traumatized will be made whole ans overcome this issue.
LeftInTX
(25,383 posts)She's a celebrity who was probably intoxicated.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Post 86
Raine
(30,540 posts)I'll pray for the woman and the woman's pets whose home she destroyed.
Polybius
(15,437 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)with no consideration for anyone else luckily she didn't kill anyone. Just badly injured herself and destroyed someone else's home.
Tom Yossarian Joad
(19,230 posts)It saddens me that so many in this thread seem to feel a punitive death exceeds the need for mercy and healing.
Guess I'm one of those snowflakes I keep hearing about.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)Thank you for your post. I totally agree that its sad on this thread that so many chose to express hateful replies.
I do pray. But I give each person the right to be and believe as they see fit for themselves. I think its wonderful to wish good things for another - by whatever ways and means one chooses.
Guess Im a snowflake, too.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)I hope she dies peacefully and soon.
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)Get behind the wheel of a car and turn it into a killing machine. And please Jaysus, keep her in a coma so she doesn't have to live with the shame of being a horrible drunken maniac. In FSM's name we pray, Pass the Rigatoni!
Voltaire2
(13,072 posts)I guess this is evidence for the effectiveness of prayers.
As in, not effective.