The FBI called the Secret Service at Mar-a-Lago hours ahead of the search warrant...

[kentuck]

...and Trump's lawyers were there to oversee the search?

Is that true?

I saw that reported on one of the morning shows but I cannot recall which show?

So Trump knew about the "raid" before it happened?

Did they have time to remove or get rid of any of the evidence before the search?

Is that common procedure by the FBI to notify the target ahead of time?

Also, it was reported that the DOJ lawyers went to Mar-a-Lago in June to negotiate the release of the documents and have had no success. And this left them no choice but to execute the search warrant?

So, it appears there were documents there and the FBI went in and confiscated them?

[rainy]

1. It would seem that all of the good stuff had ample

time to be destroyed. Flushed, burned.

[Walleye]

2. So it seems we're still paying for Secret Service agents to stay at Mar-a-Lago?

[Irish_Dem]

25. Yes former US presidents get lifetime SS protection.

[Walleye]

26. I didn't realize that all of their properties would be staffed with agents

[Irish_Dem]

27. The bulk of the team stays with the ex POTUS.

A skeleton crew stays at the other properties to maintain security.

[True Dough]

3. Not sure of any of the answers to your questions

but I do know this:




And that fact is awesome! Trump FINALLY picked the best person for the job (or at least someone competent with reasonable judgement, and we'll take it).

[mucifer]

4. Unless the trump fbi guy helped him destroy the

Evidence

[True Dough]

10. Time will tell

but, yeah, that would be bad and on brand.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Or the SS is busy deleting evidence again.

[rainy]

16. Who knows if that point won't pay off. Maybe Wray let Trump know they were coming long ago?

[Novara]

5. They had to notify the secret service to gain access

Let's not look for nefarious things that might not be there. Let's wait for some facts.

[kentuck]

8. Did they have to notify his lawyers also?

It doesn't make sense.

Yet.

Maybe we will get some facts later?

[Novara]

11. I'm sure the SS told him and he called his lawyers

A Lot of white collar criminals have time to notify lawyers. Searches take time, more than enough time for lawyers to show up and advise the searchee to shut up and not interfere during the search.

At any rate, I heard "documents were seized," so they found something of interest.

[kentuck]

13. I'm sure they knew documents were there.

It seemed to be a stand-off between Trump and the DOJ and Trump did not think Garland had the cajones to act, in my opinion.

[Novara]

18. I think it's simpler than that

I think the orange motherfucker feels entitled to whatever the fuck they found.

And/or he hides evidence of his criming in his safe there, and that's why they focused on the safe.

I hope he's sweating bullets.

[kentuck]

20. I'm sure you are right that he feels entitled.

And he had them hid in his basement and the FBI wanted him to secure them with a padlock in their previous visit.

Why shouldn't he think he could get away with anything with that type of treatment?

[Novara]

22. Right, because he always gets away with his crimes

[Irish_Dem]

37. But why wouldn't he destroy evidence that might implicate him?

Why keep it?

And he doesn't worry about going to jail or being charged with any sort of crime.

[Novara]

39. Maybe he's planning on continuing to profit off those documents?

[Irish_Dem]

41. Yes he would only keep something that is of value to him.

He would have destroyed any incriminating evidence.

He would keep something that would exonerate him.
Or prove damaging to his enemies.

Or something he could sell or use for blackmail.

[Hortensis]

17. Lol, of course? And of course as soon as tRumpland became aware

his attorneys would be called.

One former DoJ prosecutor explained that the search aspect of the warrant is typically to enable swift action to avoid giving time to remove/destroy evidence, while a subpoena would merely require someone to present himself at some agreed upon time.

[Irish_Dem]

29. It is only human nature to speculate.

We are not officers of the court, we can unpack it all and in public!

[gab13by13]

6. It wasn't a raid.

DOJ bent over backwards to ask Trump to return the documents. They had no choice but to get a warrant to get the documents back.

Here is an awful thought, will DOJ charge Trump with a crime, or is DOJ satisfied it got the documents back?

[Claustrum]

9. I honestly side with a slap on the wrist kind of punishment (if there is any)

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if this is done to simply retrieve the secret documents. We will get some BS thing about the documents being "declassified" because TFG said so and other stuff.

If they can find a "transfer" of the document to some foreign entity (selling of secrets to foreign countries/treason), then I would think they would seek a harsh and real punishment for TFG.

[Irish_Dem]

30. FBI could say they cannot tell us anything as the docs are classified.

And Trump could claim he unclassified them so he is not guilty.

So we never hear the truth.

[Claustrum]

35. I am still skeptical to say the least

because of the leeway that were given to TFG. If I have taken a secret document, let alone boxes of them, both I and the documents would have been seized and taken into custody within a few days. TFG kept them for over 2.5 years and the government agencies and the courts bent over backwards to try to ask TFG nicely to return them.

Once again, unless they have proof that he sold the secrets to foreign countries, I doubt there will be much of a punishment for him.

[Irish_Dem]

36. I agree 100%. I am not at all impressed by the latest "OMG" moment.

We are constantly told the latest stunt is a game changer and BFD.

And then it fizzles into nothing territory.

I am in the "don't wake me up until the orange F-Wad is in jail" category.

We know the GOP elite, the power and money connected, are all above the law.

[Claustrum]

7. I don't think it's common practice to notify the target.

But we are dealing with an ex-president who has a team of secret service agents protecting him and his home. The notification and coordination is unfortunately needed. It would be horrific to have a stand off between the secret service team and the FBI.

[Irish_Dem]

31. Trump's SS team was willing to kidnap a sitting VP, so they were a threat to FBI agents.

Garland must have had to make some phone calls beforehand.

[Johnny2X2X]

12. Doesn't sound like a raid

More like a planned turning over of materials to the FBI.

I think Trump wanted to spin it that he is the victim, but it sounds like his lawyers and security knew it was coming before hand.

[kentuck]

14. Yep.

...and now, he is looking to take political advantage of his crime.

[Irish_Dem]

32. And Trump knew he could spin it into a fund raising gold mine.

[Irish_Dem]

38. This would be my best guess.

It was the planned turning over of materials.

All of the insiders knew it was coming.

[twodogsbarking]

15. Wait, wait, you forgot to arrest Trump.

[agingdem]

19. in January my neighbor's house was raided

not a complete surprise...luxury cars, SUVs, motorcycles in and all day/all night..I was outside when black cars started pulling up to the house...they blocked the driveway, parked next to and in front of the Maserati's/Maybach's/Mercedes, Porsches/BMWs, and chained the three Ducati's together..within minutes the street was blocked and agents got out of their cars, papers in hand, and a call was made to the occupants who then were escorted outside..from what I witnessed, my neighbors were given very little notice before agents/US Marshall Service knocked and entered..

I suspect the FBI personnel and lawyers were given a heads up minutes before, not hours before the search and seize ..

[kentuck]

21. I think someone reported it was three hours notice?

I may be wrong on that.

I hope it was only minutes but I have my doubts about that.

[agingdem]

23. it's possible but

I suspect the FBI and government personnel were in place prior to the notice..three hours is a lot a time to flush and destroy evidence..

[kentuck]

24. Yes, it is.

[GusBob]

33. They had a warrant

It specified what was there and where it was at the time the warrant was executed

They had to prove to a judge exactly what was there and exactly where it was and they had to know it was still there

Prove as in proof …..like eyewitness or photograph proof. Sounds like they had a mole to me

If it was locked in safe the warrant would specify such

If anyone were to disturb the items listed on the warrant, they would go to jail

Especially if they were classified documents

Maybe they should have waited until Trump was there, they might have caught him flushing them
But this way they preserved the evidence

[Irish_Dem]

40. Yes exactly.

The judge had to have some proof before he signed off on the warrant.
And the warrant had to state what the FBI was looking for.

Yes it could have been eye witness, pictures or wire/phone tap.

[brooklynite]

34. Do you think a Secret Service agent - even one who supports Trump....

…wants an Obstruction of Justice charge on their head?

Trump’s SS detail isn’t some rogue palace guard. They’ll still answerable to Biden’s DHS.

[BlackSkimmer]

42. It was reported on NBC, at least that's where I saw it.

They had warning that the feds were coming.

[lark]

43. Yeah, I am a little concerned by this.

If no evidence is found, someone at FBI deliberately foiled the plan,