Please, the "Raid" (Search) was actually very simple....

[getagrip_already]

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Everyone is hyperventilating over the doj having to have had some super secret Intel that let them get a warrant. How this has to be woven into Jan 6th investigations.

It wasn't. It was very straight forward and simple.

The doj knew highly classified documents were there because (a) they saw them in June, and (b) they have been in touch with trumps lawyers who likely confirmed they were still there.

Trump was unwilling to return them.

It would be a slam dunk to get a warrant to search and seize based on those conditions.

It's really simple. It's not political. It's a pedestrian physical violation of the law.

Note: I updated the title to demphisize "Raid", which this clearly wasn't.

The government wanted those documents back. It may or may not lead to charges, but the government had an over riding national security interest in recovering those documents.

[NCjack]

1. The FBI only raids crooks.

[getagrip_already]

6. actually, they recover a lot of property....

Sometimes from people who didn't even know it was stolen.

Sometimes they charge them, sometimes they don't. It's up to them.

But I agree wholeheartedly that in this case, they raided crooks and thieves.

Will they charge? We won't know for months and months. And if they don't, we will never hear about it again.

[NCjack]

17. "TheFBIonlyraidscrooks!"That'smy repy to my moaning-in-pain RW relatives.

[getagrip_already]

20. it was god's will......

and I'm an atheist.

[Scrivener7]

2. That may be true. Then again, it may be something else. We don't know.

Though I do agree it is not political

[Demsrule86]

11. I disagree. I think Trump is a f'ing traitor and was using classified documents to betray his

country...as others pointed out he met with Orban and with the Saudis recently. And how did they know exactly where these documents were? Someone sold Trump out...maybe one of the SS agents just couldn't stomach what Trump was doing. Or may one of his so-called loyalists just couldn't go along with some nefarious thing and ratted him out to the January 6 committee who sent the information to the FBI...we may never know.

[RAB910]

3. Trump claimed he was cooperating but with him not being president for 1 1/2 years that's BS

time to go and get them

[dixiechiken1]

4. THANK YOU.

MFer's been out of office for over 1-1/2 years. There was no reason for him to still be in possession of those documents. Time to go get 'em.

Easy peasy.

[Tree Lady]

5. Yes they probably said give the documents back

And he said make me! So they did. Sounds like something he would do, be a shit disturber on purpose.

[bigtree]

7. if it was that simple

...Nat Archives would have returned for them, instead of the FBI.

The FBI isn't just the NA's errand boys. They act on crimes committed, or suspected, not on some bureaucratic scavenger hunt.

[getagrip_already]

8. well, it was the fbi who retrieved the first batch in feb.....

The nat archives had been trying to get them back, but couldn't. so the fbi asked for them.

Apparently they didn't give all they had to the fbi the first time.

[bigtree]

10. you might want to consider who visited Trump back then

Kaitlan Collins @kaitlancollins
Among the investigators who went to Mar-a-Lago earlier this year to meet with Trump’s attorneys was Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterintelligence and export control section at the Justice Department.

God Bless America!!! #Joe #Kamala @jkhk62 58m
Trial Attorney in the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section. Coordinate, investigate, and prosecute espionage cases, export control violations involving military, strategic commodities, sanctions, and other matters involving national security information and U.S. intell

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

9. I don't think you are correct. And the fact that Trump met with Orban makes me more suspicious.

[fightforfreedom]

12. The problem is we don't know, nobody knows except the DOJ/FBI.

It could be simple, straight forward like you believe or it could be something else.

[getagrip_already]

18. Well, one more argument for the simple answer is...

The FBI only searched mar a lago. They only knew of classified docs in that one location.

They didn't seize his phone(s), or search his new jersey or Manhattan offices. They didn't raid the royal family.

This was a very localized, and specific search.

[eShirl]

13. What if, during the search of his safe, they happened to come across evidence of more crime?

I think there's a decent chance...

[fightforfreedom]

14. Please, let that come true.

[getagrip_already]

15. As long as they had the authority to look in the safe....

They can seize any unrelated documents they find they may believe is evidence of a crime.

Just like if there was a brick of cocaine out in plain sight.

What they couldn't do was open up any area that wasn't explicitly mentioned in the warrant and search there. If the warrant only listed stolen vehicles and storage locations that could harbor them, they couldn't look through filing cabinets because they wouldn't be covered.

But I suspect those warrants are often broadly worded, especially for a document search, which could be anywhere.

[GusBob]

16. perhaps one should stop using the term "raid"

thats the word TFG used to set the narrative

if they notified the SS and his lawyers ahead of time, its not a raid

they didnt break into the safe either, trump said that

[getagrip_already]

19. and it wasn't a no-knock, 5 am assault complete with

swat's.

The fbi wore business suits. Not body armor and full tactical gear. Not even those cheesy wind breakers with the large letters.

The staff thought they were secret service.

Normal day. Nobody even knew.

NOT a raid.