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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI know this would require quick movement by the DOJ, but...
Do you suppose Trump and Orban's little rendezvous last week during the CPAC mega-money-maker-love-fest could have made the recovery of those classified documents more critical?
Orban's appearance bothered me and I'm just a lowly peon. What did Homeland Security think about it?
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)some time and then had two weeks (what Ive read) to execute it.
usonian
(9,815 posts)Foreign leaders are fair game for the C.I.A.
I've been posting about this.
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17017801
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/viktor-orban-christian-politician-racist-cpac/
A day before his appearance at CPAC, Orbán and his delegation met with former President Donald Trump at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.
Promises made? Some urgency? Diplomatic pouches stuffed with documents that need to "disappear"????
Just a guess. There could have been other deals in the works. (searches Craig's List )
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)cheering chumps for his rallies, but...
I wonder what someone like Trump could get by selling classified info? What if someone like Orban passed papers on to Putin for a price?
usonian
(9,815 posts)But there seems to be nothing too low for these creeps.
I mean, WHAT BETTER than a diplomatic pouch for smuggling secrets (and dirt) out of the country?
MAGATS seem to explore all possibilities, real and imaginary (Jan 6, Eastman and others fantasizing) about how to get away with their crimes.
I hope that the Coast Guard and Navy are sweeping the Florida coast for submarines.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)All kinds of possibilities flow in and out of my brain. The saving grace is that I still have one. Not too sure about them.
usonian
(9,815 posts)1. There's speculation. I ran computer networks and calculated environmental effects on space optics. You need to think of every possible glitch in advance. While the "elephant in the room" is the most likely, the outlier sometimes happens.
2. OTOH, there are real conspiracies taking place, and a jillion imaginary ones, usually to take attention from the real ones, as large and as present as those elephants. I create my conspiracy theories from historical facts, as people repeat their patterns.
So, for your edification, some interesting ideas.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17003279
I did some dot-connecting. Basically reposting some material here.
(OPINION ON MY PART)
The point is that we can halt the long conspiracy, especially since people have gotten a taste of coercive minority rule and mob rule.
Democracy in Crisis: Weve Been Headed Here for Decades. Part 1of 8
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
Read all 8 to get the "plan" in detail.
This is all a Russian plan. Started years ago.
https://pastebin.com/raw/evbnN5y7
copied here. Mine, so no copyright problem.
I don't know if people read the pastebin article, so I'll copy what I think are important pieces here.
Pieces of a puzzle that seem to me to fit quite neatly when you factor in the Putin factor.
ADD TO THAT, THE MESSAGE DESTRUCTION BY SENIOR OFFICIALS AND AGENCIES, OF ACTIVITIES AROUND JAN 6 .....
THE RUSSIAN PLAN
While legislators and DOJ investigate a failed coup attempt at the Capitol, a successful coup has overtaken the USSC, which is dismantling the Constitution in an effort concerted with right-wing domestic terrorists, the GOP, oligarchs, Christian Nationalists and others, a Mitchavillian (!) scheme that follows the Russian strategy to divide and destroy the United States:
Simply put, Normalize hate and violence. Stochastic terrorism. Bring down elected government and democratic processes. This was also seen in 30s Germany,
We are in a state of emergency, and are today divided into slave and free states.
The suspected instigator and supporter, Russia, has proven itself to be a third-rate power, relying on agents within the U.S. who sabotage the U.S. with acts of terrorism, insurrection and sedition, a second civil war.
Pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly. They involve: The RW shift from issues to outright terrorism and Russian messaging, Russias dependence on oil, their State-Adopted Religion and white dominance, long-term plans to annex Ukraine, divisive bot posts on social media, a major news outlet praising Putin, sponsorship of NRA to encourage mob rule, fear and domestic terrorism over constitutional government. (more detail below)
BACKGROUND:
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?
When you start with the premise that Russia has instigated a campaign of disruption in the U.S. to bolster its aims, ALL the pieces fit together perfectly.
1. The conservative movement took a hard swing right from its Limbaugh days of conservative issues and hate to pure hate and destruction. This coincides with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Anti-Soviet messaging ceased.
2. Russias economy is extremely oil-dependent. Oil interests control many legislators, and reap massive subsidies and favors.
3. Russia is an Orthodox Christian in name only, mostly white state. The church blesses nuclear warheads and Putin has declared his intention to expand his White Christian Nationalism.
4. Putin wants Ukraine. Arguably, that is the cause of his interference in the 2015 election to install an asset as president and weaken NATO, effectively delivering him Ukraine.
5. Bots spread lies and divisive messages to get Americans to fight one another.
6. A major news outlet repeatedly praises Putin, when theres nothing apparent to gain by doing so. On the surface, anyway.
7; Russia financed and infiltrated the NRA with the goal of replacing constitutional government with mob rule, and domestic terrorism.
8. It is the M.O. of fiends to get people to believe in causes that are against their own best interest.
9. And yet! When a dictator takes power, their beloved freedom fighters become their biggest threat, so AWAY WITH YOUR GUNS. Courts that destroyed constitutional law to put them in place become useless baggage, so SAY GOODBYE.
10. The abortion issue is just the first volley. They have others at the ready, and are working top-down and bottom-up to destroy constitutional rights, the constitution and the country, and hand it over.
This could be why it's said there are "ongoing" crimes pertaining to what they were after....
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)I hope every friggin security code in the book was changed after Trump left.