Please stop calling this a "raid."

[Novara]

A raid is when they bust doors down and throw everyone in handcuffs while they search. This wans't that.

Besides, when you use the word raid, you are echoing what the orange fuck said, to maximize his poor pitiful me, the FBI is raiding me schtick. Don't use his words.

It was a well-executed search authorized by a federal warrant signed off by the highest levels of the FBI and DOJ and a trump-appointed federal judge.

It wasn't a raid.

[2naSalit]

1. Maga Laga was SEARCHED...

By the FBI who were executing a legal warrant.

Don't help the drama trolls make their case.

[TigressDem]

2. OH, REICH WING, by RAID you mean "Served a warrant on HE who shall not be named"?

Someone who CONSTANTLY violates the laws of the US should not be surprised to eventually see the sword of justice aimed right at them, but this is just the tiniest of simple process.

PLEASE tell me how fearful he will be when the real hammer comes crashing down.

[LakeArenal]

3. Why do people need to parse words?

You take one meaning of a word and object. There are other definitions that fit the word.
Raid:
1a : a hostile or predatory incursion
b : a surprise attack by a small force
2a : a brief foray outside one's usual sphere
b : a sudden invasion by officers of the law
c : a daring operation against a competitor
d : the recruiting of personnel (such as faculty, executives, or athletes) from competing organizations
3 : the act of mulcting public money

Who gives a damn what trump calls it anyway. O

[Mariana]

14. Because NONE of those definitions apply to the events at Mar-A-Lago.

1a: It wasn't hostile or predatory.
b: It wasn't an attack.
2a: It wasn't a foray outside the FBI's usual sphere.
b: It wasn't an invasion.
c: He isn't a competitor.
d: The FBI weren't recruiting.
e: Nor were they mulcting public money.

[LakeArenal]

18. You are so stretching.

It was an invasion by officers of the law.

You chose to leave that out.

Your attempts, of course, will be futile as it will still be called a raid. I think the history books will call it that.

However, the last sentence admittedly is an opinion.

[Mariana]

20. Oh, I know. It would be better to call it a search

but I understand that everyone will use the more inflammatory term.

[unweird]

34. Ummm, you left out sudden

As in it was not a sudden invasion by officers of the law. There are indications that he had ample time and opportunity to return materials but didn’t.

[LakeArenal]

35. I copy and pasted as I found it. But continue parsing words and missing points.

[unweird]

36. I was reading your response

You had included sudden in your original list of definitions for a raid. I’m sorry I misunderstood your post.

Have a nice day.

[krawhitham]

49. Invasion: an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity

Try again

[H2O Man]

37. You are correct.

It was a type of "raid." Not the only type, and not the type that generally first comes to mind. But the word "raid" absolutely fits.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

4. Raid implies criminal

TFG is a criminal !!!

let people have their fun. This is as close to a raid of a former president as we are ever gonna get, unless they let TFG off the hook.

[localroger]

5. No, it was a raid

A raid is the term of art for an operation where the police show up without warning and demand access to a place where they aren't wanted for any reason. Just as someone doesn't have to touch you for it to be assault, you don't have to put people in cuffs and force them to the ground for an operation to be a raid.

It would not be a raid if the agents had called ahead, been invited in, and only asked the residents to voluntarily produce the items they wanted to look at. But that's not what happened. They showed up without warning and made it clear NO was not an acceptable answer. If anyone had resisted those cuffs would have come out.

It was a textbook example of what the police call a raid.

[BlackSkimmer]

6. There was warning.

Numerous news outlets reported that tfg lawyers knew about it, and so did the secret service. Plenty of warning.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. Lol this is definitely a raid.

[Turbineguy]

8. He would think it's a raid.

Like in a whorehouse.

[MagickMuffin]

9. Glenn Kirschner said this exact thing, and he knows the correct terms

Anyone repeating it was a raid should stop at once.


Don't play Donnie's sad little reindeer games.

[underpants]

10. This thread inspired this 🤭

[H2O Man]

39. +1

[Ocelot II]

11. My local newspaper got it right.

Top of the fold headline: "FBI searches Trump home in Florida." That's exactly what happened. "Raid" implies force or violence and people dragged out in handcuffs. TFG wasn't even there.

[Kingofalldems]

12. Yeah---CNN reported they had the authority to knock down doors.

[Mariana]

16. That's pretty standard with search warrants, I believe.

If cops have a warrant to search Joe Blow's house, and he refuses to unlock the door and let them in, of course they can break the door down in order to perform the search. How else are they going to do it?

[BlackSkimmer]

51. And they gave warning to tfg and his lawyers.

So there's that.

No doors knocked down.

[Kingofalldems]

56. That was my point.

They could have knocked down doors if necessary.

[MissMillie]

13. I imagine...

Breonna Taylor would not call the execution of a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago a "raid."

She's not around to ask though.

[Iggo]

15. It's a raid.

Just because it doesn’t match your TV show fantasy of what a raid is, doesn’t mean it’s not a raid.

[Novara]

19. In reality it doesn't match your TV fantasy

It wasn't a raid.

It was a legal search signed off by the highest authorities. The site had prior knowledge. The FBI didn't force themselves in. The inhabitants cooperated. No one had to be handcuffed or removed from the room and guarded.

Now, they raided Manafort's home, they raided Clark's home. Look up the difference.

All the legal experts are saying it isn't a raid and to call it such feeds the orange fuck's victimization campaign. If you want to side with him, go ahead.

But it wasn't a raid.

[BlackSkimmer]

41. Thank you. You are spot on.

But good luck.

Meanwhile RW assholes are screaming "raid!" from the rooftops, and people here going right along with it. Plays right into tfg's hands. Smh.

[Novara]

45. Thank you

That's why I posted this. It plays directly into the orange motherfucker's grievance of persecution. I would rather not let him set the narrative, as much of a lying fuck that he is.

I heard somebody saw "boxes," as in the FBI took boxes (multiple) of items away from that warrant.

[Iggo]

50. It's not a raid if people don't resist? Cool rule.

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This is the first I’ve heard that they notified the target ahead of time, though. Thank you for that new (to me) information.

[BlackSkimmer]

52. Tfg wasn't even there. His lawyers and the SS all knew of it.

It was a search.

[H2O Man]

42. But it's not

Raid bug spray!

https://www.raid.com/en-us/products/all-products

[Mariana]

17. I agree, it's much better to call it a search.

[C_U_L8R]

21. It's a national security red alert

At minimum, it's an urgent investigation into missing government documents and property.
Unlikely accidental as the Trumps have refused to come clean on multiple occasions.
More likely stolen. Could be espionage or worse if they are trading/selling. We'll see.

The FBI should feel confident from all the rightwing noise and distraction that they are on the right track.

[FoxNewsSucks]

22. I like what Pelosi called it .

a "visit"

[mahatmakanejeeves]

23. The Associated Press is referring to this as a "search."

They use the word "raid" only when they are quoting someone.

I'm pretty sure the Associated Press has an understanding of the meaning of words.

AP source: FBI search at Mar-a-Lago was related to whether ex-President Trump took classified information from the White House.

Follow
@AP
for live updates.

apnews.com
Trump says FBI conducted search at his Mar-a-Lago estate
WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI searched Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate as part of an investigation into whether he took classified records from the White

Link to tweet

The Washington Times is going with "raid."

https://www.freedomforum.org/todaysfrontpages/#DC_WT

[lanlady]

24. I'm fine with raid, thank you very much

It's what the feds do when major criminality is at issue.

Trump committed major crimes. He deserved to be raided like a drug kingpin or kidnapper.

[NH Ethylene]

30. Exactly. Trump doesn't deserve the more dignified word for it.

He is just like any other career criminal whose homes get raided when police have enough evidence.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. But he wasn't. He and his lawyers had full warning ahead of time.

Tfg likes your narrative though.

[GusBob]

25. I'd bet they didnt "break into the safe" either

Trump set the narrative using all these words and everyone is repeating them as a self owned goal to help with his fundraising?

If folks, like your lawyers, are expecting you to show up with a warrant and you were notified ahead of time, it was not a raid

[ProfessorGAC]

26. I Doubt It, Too

It was probably "The warrant includes the safe." Then, it was opened for them.
No safe cracking necessary.

[patphil]

27. Police use that term all the time.

I'm totally OK with it being called a raid.

[orangecrush]

28. "They broke into my safe!"

I wish they had dynamited it and put it on youtube

[NH Ethylene]

31. That would've been fun.

Like the live broadcast of opening a treasure box.

[Kali]

29. who cares? the real issue is did they find anything?

[H2O Man]

40. +1

[lpbk2713]

32. Okay.

...

[NH Ethylene]

33. I like calling it a raid.

It sounds more aggressive than a 'search', which makes me feel good.

What restraint Pelosi must have used to call it a 'visit.'

[cksmithy]

38. As an older, mature women, I realized back in my 30's,

I didn't always know what words mean in a specific context, so I began to use a dictionary. When I hear the word raid, I immediately think of vikings stealing gold and treasure, Hagar the Horrible, comes to mind. I looked up raid in my dictionary today. #2 is "A sudden forcible entry into a place by police." So yes, it technically was a raid with a search warrant. I also understand and don't want to use any rw/tfg talking points.

[Novara]

46. nope, it wasn't forcible

They were let in through the front door. By all accounts it was perfectly civil.

[SilasSouleII]

59. The signed search warrant was the "force"

Luckily that's all it took. There was no choice in the matter. If whoever answered the door refused, additional force would have been used. The FBI would not have just left..

[Novara]

60. Exactly

They could have subpoenaed the documents. They didn't. They issued a search warrant on the SAFE inside the office. That means there is a compelling and immediate need to get them NOW and that they thought if they went the slow route (i.e. subpoena), the documents would be destroyed or would disappear.

[localroger]

61. THIS

If you know the polite men knocking on your door are prepared and able to knock it down if you don't let them in, it is a forcible entry.

[LexVegas]

44. I like raid. nt

[krawhitham]

47. It was a raid, it was a surprise visit by police to arrest suspected people or seize illicit goods.

Oxford English Dictionary - a surprise visit by police to arrest suspected people or seize illicit goods.
Macmillan Dictionary - an action by police officers in which they suddenly enter a place in order to arrest people or search for something such as illegal drugs
Cambridge Dictionary - an occasion when the police enter a place suddenly in order to find someone or something
Merriam Webster - a sudden invasion by officers of the law

[cksmithy]

62. Agree!

[quakerboy]

48. Not just not a raid.. it was a nothing.

This is a non-event. Paperwork and PR. Every minute of press focused on this is distraction from things that actually matter. Like passing legislation, finding justice, winning elections.

[ificandream]

53. Woids is woids.

It was a law enforcement excursion.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

54. The existing title at Wikipedia is

Raid of Mar-a-Lago, but:

A request that this article title be changed to FBI search of Mar-a-Lago is under discussion. Please do not move this article until the discussion is closed.

[markpkessinger]

55. Oh, come on, now!

If this search warrant had been carried out against any non-politician, we wouldn't think twice about calling it a "raid." The word "raid" in itself does not connote anything illicit. Law enforcement conducts such raids all the time. And to give in to this notiont that a "raid" connotes something illegitimate is to concede that Trump has a point! This is just too precious by half!

[Saboburns]

57. "Many people are saying it was the greatest raid ever."

A fantastic raid. The biggest raid ever. No one has ever had a bigger raid than me.

[H2O Man]

58. Best response ever!!!!!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

63. This was not a raid but the execution of a valid search warrant signed by TFG appointed judge

[Hermit-The-Prog]

65. The FBI conducted a warranted search.

[rogue emissary]

66. +1

[applegrove]

67. Raids can also be illicit. Don't use the word "raid".