Eric Trump might have accidentally revealed key details about his father's case

[malaise]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/eric-trump-might-have-accidentally-revealed-key-details-about-his-father-s-case/ar-AA10ukfX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c28177c2d48b4dda9b3b974ffdd0cbdd

Hours after Donald Trump said that the FBI had "raided" his Mar-a-Lago home on Monday, his middle son told Fox News host Sean Hannity that the former president had been working with federal authorities for months.

"The purpose for the raid from what they said was because the National Archives wanted to, you know, corroborate whether or not Donald Trump had any documents in his possession," Eric Trump told Hannity. "And my father has worked so collaboratively with them for months. In fact, the lawyer that’s been working on this was totally shocked."


"What's interesting is we have talked before about 15 boxes at Mar-a-Lago," she began. "Those boxes as far as we know, those were recovered previously by the National Archives and then subpoenaed by the Justice Department as part of this same criminal probe, if it is the one that Eric Trump is referring to there. So, those documents now, they already had in their possession, and at some point, they realized in that June meeting that there was more there. It appears they were shown by the Trump lawyers on site, there are things here. And the Justice Department came back and said, 'Keep those secure.' We just don't know what happened after that. If they came back and said again, you know, we want to come in. Or if this was a total surprise to everyone and they were just really taken off guard."

King speculated that if the FBI had a back-and-forth between Trump and his legal team, it would mean Trump was refusing to hand over the information and the FBI was forced to run it up the chain of command and have the top people agree that a warrant was necessary.

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[MontanaMama]

1. Truly the gang who can't shoot straight.

[soldierant]

22. If Eric thinks this warrant (NOT raid - it wasn't a raid)

is connected to the National Archives, he's wrong.

The warrant which was used is exptremely difficult to get, and would never have been used merely for the National Archives. It requires evidence which makes it more ikely than not (preponderance of the evidence) that a crima has been committed ... as well as evidence that it is likely that a search will turn up tangible evidence of that crime. Ask any prosecutor. If a judge issued this warrant, then the judge - and the FBI - know a lot that we don't and some of it could be called spectacular.

While I'm on this subject, I'd like to point out that Steve Schmidt - of the Lincoln Project - he who has been saying that Democrats ar too timid and need bolder strategies - says about this warrant and the case it impliescase:

"It is essential that Donald Trump’s fiercest detractors be his fiercest defenders when it comes to the defense of his rights."

and why? Because

"a fundamental American principle that Trump and his entitled family of grifters can’t comprehend. They are not above the law. All American citizens stand equally in the voting booth and in the court room. This applies to presidents who have no greater status under the law than a woman from Ghana who took the oath of citizenship 20 seconds ago."

Yeah.

[wryter2000]

2. Eric isn't the brain trust of the family

And that's saying a lot.

[SheltieLover]

3. Bazinga!

[wryter2000]

25. Back atcha

[malaise]

5. Hehehehe

😀😀😀

[sarge43]

17. Butthead has to be reminded to breathe thru the nose, not the mouth. n/t

[Ilsa]

24. I'm beginning to wonder if he could be the insider who

has been tipping off the FBI on his daddy's stuff. I bet he's tired of being a target, and tired of taking orders from Pops.

[wryter2000]

26. Nothing would surprise me

I'd bet Ivanka would turn Daddy in if the price was right.

[uponit7771]

36. +1,

[h2ebits]

4. Hmmm. . . .loose lips sink ships

[spanone]

6. What's as disgusting as trump is congress declaring war on Democrats.

SHOCKED that this could happen.

FUCK THEM ALL

K&R

[Pepsidog]

7. John Hileman on Nicole Wallace's show (she is on vac) said the documents were previously in an

unlocked room and the FBI had to ask the Slob to padlock the door.

[malaise]

9. Saw that but I'm thinking that an insider

Blew the whistle about stuff being moved to the safe.
We all know Slobby is an ignorant fool so he wouldn’t understand shit
And Slobby left there in Spring.
Who had access to that ‘not secure’ room with the documents and the safe.

[SergeStorms]

18. I think Nicole and Mike Schmidt.....

are taking a belated honeymoon. This is her second week off now, but you can tell she really misses being there. They keep calling her and she loves getting on the phone and talking to Rachel or Hiedeman.

I miss Nicole. She's become my "must watch" from 4:00 - 6:00 each day.

[Coventina]

38. I was washing dishes while listening to her show. She called in today and

I think I heard her say her child has COVID.

[SergeStorms]

40. Oh no!

That will break a Mom's heart. I wish the little guy and Mom all the 👌 best.

[Novara]

33. See, I think this is a bullshit story

Why in the world would the FBI leave them there and trust that the motherfucker would go out and buy a padlock?!?!?!?!?????

I think that's what they want people to believe but there's more to that story.

[msfiddlestix]

48. Right???!!!! n/t

[Blue Owl]

8. The Gums of August

[malaise]

10. Hehe

😀😀😀

[Efilroft Sul]

23. +1 million recs for your post.

[Coventina]

41. DUzy!!!

[Farmer-Rick]

11. If TFG was holding on to those documents

And refused to give them back despite talking to the FBI several times, you know those documents were worth some money.

That's the only reason TFG would keep them..... it's not like he reads. There's cash to be made off those documents.

Like the guy who stole Abraham Lincoln's signed documents to sell. You can make big bucks off historical documents, even if they are evidence of criminal activity.

[malaise]

15. He neither reads nor understands

[onetexan]

21. spot on. It's all about how he can profit off those documents. God knows what he & his goons have

shared with the russians & elsewhere.

[sop]

28. Like the other Big Lie, claiming he won despite abundant evidence to the contrary, Trump will

maintain these documents actually belong to him...just because he says so.

[Shermann]

12. Is that Douchebag von Fuckface?

...or Thurston Shitbag the 3rd?

I can never keep them straight.

[OMGWTF]

27. It's Butthead.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. Digital or photocopies could exist

[Jarqui]

14. There was probably cross checking going on

They went down in June asking about other documents that were not in the 15 boxes and found them there.

You can be sure they read Trump the act about getting ALL the classified documents out of his possession when he shipped the 15 boxes back to them. Apparently, there were a bunch Trump was reluctant to let go of.

Trump cannot arbitrarily declassify documents verbally. As I understand it, there is a formal written process. So there should be a paper trail to back it up. He cannot declassify documents after he is no longer President. If documents are classified after he is no longer President, he must turn them over as well.

You don't get a judge to sign a warrant for something trivial against the former POTUS.

This guy, Jay Bratt, is one of the four who came to Mar-a-lago in June
https://www.pli.edu/faculty/jay-i.-bratt-i1481099
Read what he does.

There's something going on here - looks like a lot more than clerical errors handling classified documents.

I'm sure the search warrant lays it all out.

[malaise]

16. Agree and

Clearly he knows what he’s doing.

[Novara]

34. Bratt is involved in investigating espionage

If it was just more boxes of documents, they would have subpoenaed them. There are two ways to get documents: a subpoena and a warrant. You don't get a search warrant for a former president without DAMNED compelling - and urgent - reasons.

[Jarqui]

37. Apparently, he dragged his heels on what he returned to them over an 8 month period.

Then they show up in June and confirm there is more - when it was Trump's responsibility to turn it all over - before he left office and once he'd been found out.
It's been alleged that they were lied to.
Have you not noticed Trump's responses to subpoenas?
Trump is not going to comply with a subpoena.
And if the stuff he's supposed to turn over will be evidence against him, it is going to get the toilet treatment.
Something like that could deliver a search warrant.

Now, if the Saudis lined Jared's pockets with $2 billion in exchange for US secrets ... well ya, that would get a warrant. But if that was the case, it would need a recent development. Last June, the FBI came down for a chat at Mar-a-lago. It may be that hiding the evidence of passing things to the Saudis or Russians is part of Trump's motive behind not turning the documents over but they can't prove that yet. Or it may be they got a whiff of it in June ...

[Novara]

39. I think this is a smokescreen

Why didn't the FBI take the boxes in June? They were there on the premises. They had every right to take them; they're government property in an unsecured basement.

Secondly, if they didn't take back government property in June, why did they wait from June until now to get a warrant?


Nope. there's more to this than boxes he was supposed to return long ago.

[Jarqui]

42. If you are going to get a search warrant against Trump,

you are not going to snap your fingers and get it.

They may have not taken much in June aside from request it be secured to not show their cards.
It may not have been until after the June meeting when they concluded Trump was lying to them. Then they had to decide what Trump's motive was for lying and how to find out and prove it.

There would be incredible, meticulous diligence done. And it would need approval up the chain of command. Then careful efforts to gather resources and plan the search and make the airtight case for a judge. They would pretty much need an open and shut case to get a judge to go along with them.

That would take time. Plenty of lawyers would be brainstorming Devil's advocate as to what Trump's legal team would do - as they're constantly playing legal games. They can't just get a search warrant - they need a very high probability that they're going to make some charges stick or they'll get hammered. Everyone knows that. The stakes are really high.

The fact that it took this long suggests that they did not have an eminent urgent security breech.

[Novara]

43. To me, the fact that it took two months means

This search warrant was for something other than the classified materials he still had. They couldn't have been too worried about them if they let the boxes sit there for another couple of months with a promise of a padlock. So something else precipitated the need for a search warrant.

I also read they were there for 10 hours. Think about it logically. They knew exactly where the boxes were, because they were there two months ago telling them they needed a padlock. It doesn't take 10 hours to move 12 boxes from a basement to a truck.

And the safe? They knew the boxes were in the basement, so why did the search warrant specify the safe?

They were there for something else and they want you to believe it was just the 12 boxes of documents.

[Jarqui]

44. "It doesn't take 10 hours to move 12 boxes from a basement to a truck."

All that proves is you do not understand what went on.

There were not 12 boxes sitting there labeled "these are the illegally possessed classified documents for the FBI"
They had to go through ALL of Trumps paper and electronic/digital records to sift out what he shouldn't have had.
That is a big job because the vast majority of those records rightfully belonged to Trump.
Remember there were between 30-100 agents and some reported dogs doing the search

The 12 boxes were of collected bits and pieces of documents/digital records-devices/evidence they recovered after searching the premises - including the safe. The fact they found that much substantiates the warrant.

It's been reported they did this because Trump or his staff were not being honest with them.
They probably took a bunch of what they found in June as evidence to get the search warrant.
Because they felt more was there, they requested it be locked up (until they could get the warrant).

We'll never know all the details because even the search warrant had sections of it sealed due to the sensitive nature of the documents.

That much evidence will have leads in it. If they find some Russian's prints or DNA on those docs, they're going to get excited for example. The search for more evidence and classified documents will continue.

[Novara]

45. Naw. They knew the boxes were in the basement,

... so why did the search warrant specify the safe?

Also (and this came from several former DOJ lawyers, not me), to get a search warrant this sensitive and have it get approved through the highest levels of our federal justice system, this is a matter of FRESH evidence of an ONGOING crime, and there's a sense of urgency that belies the concept that this is about 12 boxes of withheld material. They have known the boxes were there since June, if not earlier.

That tells me that the people who believe this was ONLY about withheld boxes don't understand what went on.

[Jarqui]

46. So the 12 boxes were just sitting waiting for them ... with a bow on them ...

And the 30-100 FBI agents stood around picking their noses until their heads caved in between 9:30am and 6pm?

I don't think so.

[Novara]

47. Exactly

Now you get it.

[msfiddlestix]

49. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[flying_wahini]

19. Maybe Some recent texts from Alex Jones said something to Stone?

Timing seems quick, all of a sudden.

[malaise]

20. Was wondering about the Jones' texts

As well

[BidenRocks]

29. Out in the open.

Since TFG hires on price, the spies are his staff!
I handled Crypto and Top Secret in the Marines.
I would still be in the brig if I mishandled this material like the Orange Asshole.
How does this compare to what's her name,? Rumer Winner (sic)
She did years.

[malaise]

30. Well,if they report that they found 12 more boxes with

Classified information is correct, the Slobfather is up shit creek

[BidenRocks]

31. Be still my heart!

[malaise]

32. 😀😀😀😀

Cohen is on Ari now

[BidenRocks]

35. I like him for some reason.

Ari is kicking ass!

[Danascot]

50. Reality Winner

She did four years for leaking a report about Russian interference in the US election in 2016.

[malaise]

51. I remember

Lock him up.

[BidenRocks]

52. How could I forget that?

Saw her on 60 minutes a few weeks ago.