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Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 03:32 PM Aug 2022

Opinion: A seismic shift in Trump's legal woes.

Source: CNN:

Opinion by Norman Eisen, E. Danya Perry and Dennis Aftergut
Updated 11:47 AM ET, Tue August 9, 2022

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The search warrant executed on former President Donald Trump's premises at Mar-a-Lago represents a seismic shift in the overall landscape of the investigations against him. We have long forecast his deepening legal peril, but this puts an exclamation point on his exposure. As a nation, we are now rapidly headed into barely charted waters.

While the facts are just beginning to emerge, we know that on Monday morning a group of FBI agents executed a search warrant and conducted an exacting examination of the property, including accessing a safe, according to Trump, and leaving with a quantity of documents, according to a CNN source. Trump reacted with predictable outrage, claiming that his home was "under siege, raided, and occupied" and that "Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before."

He's correct on that last point. But we have never seen evidence of this kind of behavior by a president before either. CNN is reporting that the focus of the search warrant is on documents that Trump removed from the White House, including some 15 boxes of materials that have now been recovered. These materials reportedly included classified documents.

There are serious penalties, including criminal ones, for removing, damaging or destroying any official government document. The law treats a mishandling of classified documents even more severely. But even in the case of nonclassified documents, the penalties for mishandling can include disqualification from holding future federal office (although that would be a protracted process and Trump might challenge it on multiple grounds, including arguing that it impermissibly varies the constitutional qualifications for the presidency).

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/opinions/trump-fbi-search-mar-a-lago-eisen-aftergut-perry/index.html
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Opinion: A seismic shift in Trump's legal woes. (Original Post) Stuart G Aug 2022 OP
Someone told me they removed 55 boxes wryter2000 Aug 2022 #1
Someone? SharonClark Aug 2022 #3
Just a friend who follows the news wryter2000 Aug 2022 #6
The 15 boxes are the ones the got back in February NickB79 Aug 2022 #4
Interesting wryter2000 Aug 2022 #5
it's much, much more serious than that Novara Aug 2022 #7
+1 H2O Man Aug 2022 #8
Great Post..Novera...#7 Yes, Far more serious than that. Please read Post #7 by Novera Stuart G Aug 2022 #10
On going crime, a matter of Ntl security...he's selling information! PortTack Aug 2022 #14
His wife loaded up a truck. But pwb Aug 2022 #2
Check the new grave H2O Man Aug 2022 #9
There is that Hekate Aug 2022 #13
You aren't "Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before." MiniMe Aug 2022 #11
Seismic shift? In California-speak, I hope this is The Big One. Hekate Aug 2022 #12

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
1. Someone told me they removed 55 boxes
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 03:36 PM
Aug 2022

Is that true? If so, they collected much more than 15 boxes of documents.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
6. Just a friend who follows the news
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 03:49 PM
Aug 2022

I wasn't putting her out as any kind of expert. Maybe just someone who'd heard something I hadn't. I'm not a journalist, and I'm not reporting this as news.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
4. The 15 boxes are the ones the got back in February
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 03:45 PM
Aug 2022

So they already knew he'd taken documents. They got a search warrant because he hadn't returned everything they suspected he'd taken.

Novara

(5,843 posts)
7. it's much, much more serious than that
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 03:51 PM
Aug 2022

I keep repeating what I've heard legal experts say today (I've been listening to coverage of this all day), but those who've worked in the DOJ say that in order to get this many top people to authorize this sort of a really serious, unprecedented search warrant, the have compelling, fresh evidence of an ongoing crime. If they just wanted material that he should have returned, they could have issued a subpoena. Having FBI agents come themselves with a search warrant means there's evidence of a very serious crime (not that taking classified documents isn't serious, but more serious than even that) and it's a matter of urgency.

I am just repeating what I've heard, but I've heard it from several different people in the field who know this stuff. It isn't just one guy's opinion; several of them have said the same thing.

MiniMe

(21,717 posts)
11. You aren't "Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before."
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 04:24 PM
Aug 2022

You are a former President. Yes, it does make a difference

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