Albuquerque murders were Sunni vs Shiite..man possibly angry over daughter's marriage

[Demovictory9]

https://www.koat.com/article/albuquerque-muslim-killings-arrest-new-mexico/40850530

https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-religion-pakistan-new-mexico-albuquerque-86dc44b0546834282ac9b171b37b32f7




Police announced a breakthrough Tuesday in the killings of four Muslim men in Albuquerque, New Mexico, charging a man from Afghanistan — himself a Muslim — with two of the slayings and identifying him as a prime suspect in the other killings that put the entire community on edge.

Muhammad Syed, 51, was taken into custody a day earlier after a traffic stop more than 100 miles away, authorities said.

Three of the four ambush shootings happened in the last two weeks. Police Chief Harold Medina said it was not clear yet whether the deaths should be classified as hate crimes or serial killings or both.

Investigators received a tip from the city’s Muslim community that pointed toward Syed, who has lived in the U.S. for about five years, police said.

Police were looking into possible motives, including an unspecified “interpersonal conflict.”

When asked specifically if Syed, a Sunni Muslim, was angry that his daughter married a Shiite Muslim, Deputy Police Cmdr. Kyle Hartsock did not respond directly. He said “motives are still being explored fully to understand what they are.”

[CanonRay]

1. We really don't need that shit over here.

We have enough on our plate with Christian fascists.

[TreasonousBastard]

2. I agree, and, btw, is that a UU chalice in your avatar? I call us the Un-Church, which drives...

everyone nuts.

[CanonRay]

12. Yes, it is a UU chalice

I've been in over 9 years after a nearly 60 year absence from any church.

[TreasonousBastard]

13. I became a Quaker largely because of the absence of liturgy..

then, when I moved, I did what many Quakers without a nearby meeting did and joined a UU church. It's not the same, of course, but the lack of catechism still means a lot.

[LeftInTX]

7. Sunni versus Shia is more like tribe versus tribe

Clan versus clan...

It isn't as much about religion than it is about tribalism: "He's not one of us!!!"

Obviously, this marriage was not arranged which broke another strong tradition.

Hatfields and McCoys are a better comparison than Christian fascists.

Still most Muslims in western countries don't go killing people over stuff. They learn to adapt to a more diverse lifestyle, even if reluctantly. Father was unhinged. He "lost control" of his daughter...Yeah...I know..but over there, your kids are expected to follow your path and if they don't, it messes with your own personal identity...

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. More like Protestant v. Catholic

There are doctrinal differences, and wars have been fought over it.

https://www.history.com/news/sunni-shia-divide-islam-muslim

https://www.cfr.org/sunni-shia-divide/#!/

[LeftInTX]

14. But in this case, it's also cultural

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It involves a marriage of the guy's daughter, which was obviously not arranged etc.

He's Afghan and they can be very tribal. Many marry cousins etc.

My grandparents were Christians in Turkey and the arranged marriages often involved relatives of sorts. "Keep it in the family. Family to family arrangement. Don't trust outsiders. Marriage is how we grow our family"...Very clanny, but that's the way it was.

My grandfather's family took care of my great grandfather's grandmother when she became a widow. They had previous married into the family. That was how they knew each other, so a marriage was arranged.

My great aunt's marriage was arranged in the US. My great grandmother was denied entry into the US and it was just my great grandfather alone with his daughter. Coming from a cultural, where dating was not allowed, an unsupervised pretty 16 year old was a liability. He brought her to work with him at the glue factory. He feared that she would get raped etc etc etc. She started seeing someone and was gonna get married. (The guy she was seeing was known to our family and was a distant relative) His family lived in Detroit. Great grandfather and great aunt lived in Milwaukee. My great grandfather went to Detroit to arrange things with his family and it fell through. It turned into a drama.

Jilted, my great grandfather hastily arranged a marriage with someone who was a cousin in Milwaukee. The marriage did not last and my great aunt spent the rest of her life in an insane asylum. She was committed at age 25 and had two young kids. My great grandfather would praise and curse her husband and his family all under one breath.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. No one is calling this case "tribal" or "cultural". And Sunni/Shia is a religious difference

that stretches across Islam - you find them both in Afghanistan, and both in Syria, between which the cultural/"tribal" differences are far larger because of geography.

For this case, it's now notable that at a press conference, the police are not talking about Sunni/Shia:

"The offender knew the victims to some extent, and an interpersonal conflict may have led to the shootings," a police statement said, although investigators were still working to identify how they had crossed paths.

When asked specifically if Syed, a Sunni Muslim, was angry that his daughter married a Shiite Muslim, Deputy Police Cmdr. Kyle Hartsock did not respond directly. He said “motives are still being explored fully to understand what they are.”

Assed acknowledged that “there was a marriage,” but he cautioned against coming to any conclusions about the motivation of Syed, who occasionally attended the center’s mosque.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/afghan-man-charged-killings-muslims-mexico-88180614

Syed was accused of violence against a daughter's boyfriend, and his wife. I wonder if this was was an early extrapolation from the boyfriend incident.

[BlackSkimmer]

11. Oh yes...

So tired of reading about Presbyterians killing Methodists for maying out of their faith. Seems to happen all the time.

[Hassler]

3. More religious fundamentalist bs. No matter the religion, or no religion

Fundamentalism is humanity's biggest threat.

[Skittles]

5. yup

religion is absolute proof that people can be made to feverishly believe ANYTHING

[roamer65]

6. +1000

[Skittles]

4. disgusting

so fucking DELUSIONAL

[childfreebychoice]

8. What angers me about this and so-called honor killings

They leave their countries, in search of freedom, and peace, yet can't leave lack of freedom and peace behind...clinging to old world ways

[ChazII]

10. +1 Totally agree.n/t