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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHey! Remember when that group of representatives came out of a closed door meeting,
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And they were really angry, in fact Maxine Waters was spitting nails when she stood at the microphone, unable due to confidentiality to state what she had heard but clearly it was horrifying to her and to the other Democrats who stood together.
I believe there is a thick dossier compiled by the CIA, FBI and all those defense intelligence groups Involving connections with the Russians and other dictators/autocrats. There is a concerted effort to prevent Trump from ascending to the presidency again, and we are watching the wheels of responsible government take down a dangerous villain.
I know I posted this before, but I assert that when Dick Cheney stood with his daughter on the House floor during that remembrance service on 1/6/22 it was to send a message that the powers that be were no longer going to tolerate this. Representative Cheney has been the point person for the public outing of the case against this miscreant who has essentially destroyed the American way of life by instilling systemic discomfort, mistrust, overt hatred, racism, and incessant lying in extremis. The fact of the matter is that the military industrial complex does not want a dictatorship here, they want a pseudo-democracy Wherein people feel as though they have a say. This is good for business, this is good for stability, and this is good for long-term profiteering and expansion. Our system has evolved to allow for variations on a theme, but they are just that: variations which still permit The illusion of absolute freedom. If over half the country feels as though they have been disenfranchised by elected secretaries of state and governors, we will have a series of incidents which will disrupt the economy and the stability of the capitalist system.
And quite frankly, there are people who feel true patriotism toward a country which has given them billions of dollars and power and access beyond comprehension. They know what happens in a dictatorship in which they can fall out of favor with the Fuhrer and be arrested and summarily jailed and/or executed. A dictator has a loyalty to himself alone and shows no mercy to Anyone who might challenge his position. We are going to now watch the orchestrated unraveling of this very strange web of deceit and criminality, executed by some very significant and powerful people who have seen enough. The complicit media will follow along just as they did in the Watergate scandal all those years ago.
rubbersole
(6,719 posts)Putting Nixon's Southern Strategy back in the bottle might not be possible. Embarrassing those idiots isn't possible either. It's going to play out in the next 90 days. Popcorn 🍿 city.
cachukis
(2,261 posts)LaMouffette
(2,039 posts)"The fact of the matter is that the military industrial complex does not want a dictatorship here, they want a pseudo-democracy Wherein people feel as though they have a say. This is good for business, this is good for stability, and this is good for long-term profiteering and expansion. Our system has evolved to allow for variations on a theme, but they are just that: variations which still permit The illusion of absolute freedom."
The American oligarchy has had enough of the turmoil. They want to go back to business as usual in which they exert their power without the working class knowing what shenanigans they are up to.
Wouldn't it be something if the rabid Trump base were to realize that there is indeed a Deep State, but not one created by liberal Democrats and Progressives, but rather by the "conservative," "Christian" Republican wealth class they have been so slavishly devoted to? What would happen if they finally realized they've been hoodwinked?
peppertree
(21,650 posts)Whatever else can be said about them, they're pragmatic - if only out of enlightened self-interest.
Which is all we can ever really expect from powers-that-be in this or any other functioning society.
Though far from ideal, it's always preferable to the modern GOP's brand of runaway fascism and megalomania run amok - which, as PCIntern alluded to, always ends up like a snake eating its own tail.
3Hotdogs
(12,396 posts)COL Mustard
(5,914 posts)Nt
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Mr Dixie and I have had many discussions in which we always come to the same conclusion: stability is key. Don't upset the herd. Keep 'em on the wheel, producing and spending.
Right now, the Republican establishment - that is, everyone except the true believers, the rubes - are beside themselves gleeful. Democrats have done their dirty work for them by executing the search warrant on TFG's trash palace. They get to cosplay shock and horror in front of the cameras & on social media for "the base," while high-fiving each other behind closed doors. They know he caused them to lose the Senate and they're scared that he'll cause them to lose their midterm dreams of being in the majority once again. He served his purpose and he cannot be controlled. They want him gone.
Anyway, excellent post connecting a lot of dots. Thanks!
FalloutShelter
(11,875 posts)Bad. For. Business.
Marthe48
(17,005 posts)and btw, I read a post here that President Biden told Pres. Obama and bush about the coming strike on Ayman Al-Zawahiri, but didn't tell traitor.
spanone
(135,857 posts)yardwork
(61,690 posts)I don't expect them to reveal anything that will hurt their brand of Republicanism. I agree, this is about getting rid of Trump.
Scrivener7
(50,989 posts)There are levels to our hierarchy of power. The Bush-Cheney corp, as you so aptly describe it, is at the top. It consists of many more than the Bushes and Cheneys, but those two families are the tip of that iceberg we have been allowed to see. Also the Federalist society also operates at this level.
For a while, the populist middle level newcomer Trump suited their purposes. But he temporarily got outside their control. They are taking that control back.
Ms. Cheney will be president one day, mark my words.
AND it will be decided by the Bush-Cheney corp and all who are represented in that name whether anything ever comes out about tfg's crimes.
yardwork
(61,690 posts)The Bush-Cheney enterprise has been characterized for decades as a "moderate" approach to governing. I don't view their actions or goals as moderate, but they have carefully controlled their brand. The MSM is part of their bloc.
I expect to see appeals to "moderate Democrats" as this group attempts to reestablish power.
Their challenge is that the mood of many voters in the U.S. is to say the hell with moderation, we want radical change. That's what catapulted Trump to victory. They will use his extremism as a reason to "return to a sensible middle way."
BComplex
(8,059 posts)Wow, PCIntern. You just opened the blinds and let the sunshine in!
Farmer-Rick
(10,197 posts)Has given up on Trump and a blatant dictatorship?
Hmmm, I don't know. Maybe.
I saw the attack on the capitol as very similar to Chile and how Pinochet got into power. Putin would be Nixon in this scenario. The biggest problem with completing the coupe was that the majority of the military was not on Trump's side. So, you may have a point there.
Trump had taken over all 3 forms of government but he still hadn't convinced most of the Generals and Admirals to support him.
Trump treated the military and their sacrifices with blatant disregard. He made fun of the military for dying, getting injured or being POWs. He thought the military were stupid for risking their lives in fighting a war. It started with McCain.Then Trump would overrule his Generals, and overturn their decisions, frequently.
The officer ranks, not all but the majority, felt Trump would not let them control their own troops. That Trump had no regard for the chain of command.
I think they would have supported a coupe if only Trump had an ounce of patriotism in his soul. But people in the military don't do it for the money. And that's why Trump can't win them over.
Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)not the president. Now we have seen a few who are proud boys or what have you but they are traitors and do not represent the majority of our troops.
Farmer-Rick
(10,197 posts)As an officer at a MEPS, I use to swear in hundreds of people. I've run into some of those folks and they still remembered me. That was almost 30 years ago and they still remembered me.
Those words to uphold the Constitution really sink in.
"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;"
Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,197 posts)Notice it's to bear True Faith and Allegiance to the Constitution first then later you swear to follow orders. But your first Allegiance is always to the Constitution.
Something even the Supreme Court and Congress members have failed to do.
Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)I did not serve myself but my brother and sister were both Marines. My sister was one of the first women Marines...she is older than I am. She received the highest peacetime award and medal... (both my brother and her husband also Marines were jealous). My nieces and two nephews served...my family has left blood on every battlefield since the revolution. My father was proud to serve his country and it showed in all his actions. He was a great man and a great Dad. My Uncles also served.
Farmer-Rick
(10,197 posts)And military supporters among liberals and Dems then among the GOP. It's all pretend with the GOP.
Wow, that's amazing about your sister. She must be a strong person.
Trueblue Texan
(2,437 posts)...took the same oath as the president of the US. I haven't worked for the Postal Service in more than a decade, but I took the oath seriously, have never abandoned it and never will.
Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)Bush were informed...but not Trump as he can't be trusted.
wiggs
(7,816 posts)Rebl2
(13,539 posts)Recently? I remember a few years back senators Feinstein and Grassley coming out of a secure meeting looking that way. Never heard anything about it afterwards.
Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)Hekate
(90,769 posts)So there was nothing they could say about what they heard and we could only speculate but we had already seen enough of Trumps behavior to know he was not going to be controllable.
Everyone who came out of that meeting looked like theyd been gut-punched and Maxine Waters was beyond angry.
It would have been 2016.
Rebl2
(13,539 posts)So this was before he was president.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)what I thought. He wasnt president until the next year-2017. I thought that meeting was 17 or 18.
FalloutShelter
(11,875 posts)llmart
(15,548 posts)I'm glad you mentioned that meeting because I had forgotten about it. There was so much chaos with that criminal that it's hard to keep it all in your mind. I will bet that we haven't even heard the last of it from the J6 committee and I can't wait to see what's coming in September. I have to believe that they saved the best for last.
We must not forget all the harm that he and his cronies perpetuated on our country. They must all be held accountable.
orthoclad
(2,910 posts)is Wall Street.
Despite the wave of "disruptive" billionaires, too much turmoil is bad for biz (=power).
But I would say that the oligarchy will throw Trump to the wolves (while crying crocodile tears to rile the base) only because he's such a schmuck. The classic model of fascist power remains. DeSantis and Abbott wait in the wings, but I would keep an eye on Scott. He's smoother, and has a proven track record of getting away with crimes.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Historic NY
(37,452 posts)Grassley and Feinstein were really solemn that day
[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-judiciary-committee-to-release-transcripts-of-interviews-with-trump-tower-meeting-participants/2018/01/25/3f8f12a0-01e3-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html|
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)She looked like she was literally shaking. It was very obvious that what theyd learned was something more shocking than they would have ever expected.
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)Seriously nyt, 5 years later and still paywalled?
Sogo
(4,990 posts)being taken by the DOJ. You seriously think they're taking orders?
slightlv
(2,828 posts)when we were all wondering about the documents that were taken from mar a largo. Wondering, myself, if any of those led back to that meeting that had both D's and R's shaking in their boots.
TeamProg
(6,193 posts)They will keep us all afloat just enough so that MONEY keeps TRICKLING UP to the OWNERS.
Novara
(5,849 posts)I can think if several times in the last few years something like this has happened.
Details, man. They're useful.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)I remember how angry she was. The committee had been sworn to secrecy, and they all looked gut-punched. Someone said 2016, and Im sure that was it.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I still remember the look on their faces as plain as if it happened yesterday. Surely, we have something in our posts that explained what the meeting was about. Even when they don't tell us, we pretty well figure it out.
Where's Sherlock when you need him?
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Hekate
(90,769 posts)Ive tried to put Dick Cheney out of my mind, and when I do think of him it is as a sick old man. I have not heard anything of him for quite awhile.
What you are saying is that he is still highly connected and active in his dark designs?
PCIntern
(25,572 posts)And like we used to say about Nixon, hes a lot of things but hes not stupid and hes not uninvolved.
MyMission
(1,850 posts)I also tend to think of him as a sick old man, on rare occasions I think of him, like now.
But I thought he looked healthy and spoke well, I must admit.
This CNN article has the ad. It was airing on Faux news.
New York(CNN Business)Fox News viewers will this week see former Vice President Dick Cheney look into the camera and excoriate former President Donald Trump as the greatest threat to the country "in our nation's 246-year history."
That's because Rep. Liz Cheney's campaign has purchased a series of national ad spots on Fox News to run the viral campaign advertisement she debuted last week featuring her father.
The ad shows Dick Cheney lacing into Trump as a "coward" who lies to his supporters and "tried to steal the last election" using violence. At the end of the ad, Cheney endorses his daughter, who is the vice chair of the select House committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/media/liz-cheney-fox-news-ad-spots/index.html
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,389 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,754 posts)czarjak
(11,287 posts)hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)I am not advocating violence of any kind or manner.
But why is it that someone in these powerful positions hasnt just gotten rid of the problem?
I dont mean to be indelicate or break the rules. But come on! Im certainly not the first person to ask this question. And it has happened before in our history.
Second admonition - not advocating violence. Just asking a question.
PCIntern
(25,572 posts)Beetwasher.
(2,981 posts)The power and competence of the supposed deep state.
4dog
(505 posts)I am encouraged by Graeber and Wengrow's view that very early Native American input helped bend the European colonial world view in the direction of greater justice and democracy (The Dawn of Everything) and Thomas Piketty's quantitative demonstration that things are very slowly getting more just (A Brief History of Equality) that the odds are in our favor.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)You're thinking bushco?
PCIntern
(25,572 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Or more sad that we have to rely on other devils
Evolve Dammit
(16,754 posts)FakeNoose
(32,706 posts)As time goes on, we'll see other Repukes who quietly left the Chump orbit and slowly gravitated to Cheney-Bush-Barr brigade. These guys were fed up with Chump even before January 6th, they were just too chicken to say anything.
mopinko
(70,178 posts)to struggling countries, and getting them to build big infra they cant afford and dont rly need?
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)your post, it gives me hope.
Joinfortmill
(14,446 posts)applegrove
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and will be held accountable.
elias7
(4,024 posts)Hear that, Marjorie?