Facebook gave cops the identity of a Nebraska teen who had an abortion

[JohnSJ]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nebraska-teenager-abortion-facebook-messages_n_62f2aceae4b0acf9d0029190

“ The girl told police she'd had a stillbirth, then Facebook turned over private messages suggesting otherwise.“

“ A Nebraska teenager and her mother are facing a handful of felonies after state officials alleged the girl self-managed an abortion, but told police she’d miscarried after 28 weeks.
Prosecutors are resting much of their case on Facebook messages exchanged between the 18-year-old and her mother, which they say shows the two discussing the proper method for the daughter to take medicine that would terminate her pregnancy.”

F**k FB and Mark Zuckerberg

[Hugh_Lebowski]

1. I wonder if we yet hit 50 times this story has been posted in the last 24 hours?

Granted from different sources but they all say basically the same thing.

FB complied with a court order, as they should.

F**k these prosecutors and the judge who approved the warrant ... is the more trenchant assessment.

[JohnSJ]

4. I am sure they had no problem giving up the data. Just ask Cambridge Analytica

[Hugh_Lebowski]

5. In the CA case it was essentially stolen for one thing so that's different

And regardless of 'their having a problem' or not, they legally had to comply, and you are speculating.

Just sayin'

[JohnSJ]

6. True

[LeftInTX]

10. The girl opened up her messenger app in front of the cops.

BTW: This all started when her friend went to the cops and squealed.
They also obtained medical records from a provider to prove that she was pregnant
They also got a warrant after the girl showed the cops she was conversing with her mother about it on FB Messenger.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion

When I conducted the interview with C. Burgess I wanted to try and figure out when the miscarriage occurred. C. Burgess scrolled through her messages on her Facebook Messenger account. She showed me where she was trying to message J. Burgess to get her attention. The message showed it was sent on 04-22-22 at 0338 hrs.

[JohnSJ]

13. Isn't that a HIPPA violation?

[LeftInTX]

15. Not if it's a court order

[Hekate]

19. HIPPA only applies to your medical providers. As she & her family just discovered, when they posted

…on FB they outed themselves all by themselves. There is no presumption of privacy that I know of in that case.

[Lurker Deluxe]

16. I do not get it ...

I certainly support a woman's right to choose.

However, there are laws. They are written down and they have not changed in Nebraska recently.

This board is nothing but, "no one is above the law" over the last week.

Constant.

This woman was not 4 weeks pregnant, not 6 weeks, not 8. Not 16, not 20 ... 28.

Seven months pregnant and took medication that caused a still birth, did not report it, attempted to conceal it, and knew what was done was illegal ... all the way to the thought of digging the body up and burning it to further conceal the crime.

And yea ... it is a crime.

There has to be a line somewhere that abortions are not performed, unless there is a danger to the mother or infant by allowing the pregnancy to go to term.

This seems concerning to me, "no one is above the law" ... unless we disagree with the law. Then the law does not apply.

Strange place this is ...

[Lurker Deluxe]

17. And this will get a hide ...

[Hekate]

21. "Did not report it" -- is a woman now legally required to report miscarriage or stillbirth?

[Lurker Deluxe]

25. In Nebraska ...

Yes.

When fetal death reporting is required:
Such certificate shall not be required for a child that has not advanced to the twentieth week of
gestation. (Section 71-606, Law of 1965)

[Hekate]

20. Looks like she, a minor, had NO legal representative with her at the time

[Sympthsical]

7. I was about to post similar

I don't understand what people think happened here. That Facebook was just idly sifting through private messages and shared them with law enforcement? That they didn't have to, but figured, eff this mother and daughter in particular?

It was a court order. Everything we do online is recorded and tracked. In this instance, it was Facebook. It could have easily been Google or Instagram or a hundred other things. If DU got a court order, I bet the owners would comply. I've seen private Discord chats dragged into legal matters.

This is why people in red states might want to be much more careful about trackers and apps with data sharing.

This is the sixth or seventh iteration of this story I've seen in GD in the last 24 hours, and it's always the same characterization. Like FB itself is not tracking these things and standing by eager to start getting people arrested.

I have friends who work at Facebook. I promise it's not the case.

[LeftInTX]

9. The girl who took the pills literally opened her FB messenger app in front of the cops

They asked her, "What date did you miscarry?"...So she opened her messenger app and found the chat.

I know she's 17 and didn't realize what the cops were up to.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion

[Sympthsical]

11. The one nice thing about an iphone.

You don't have to pony up the password.

I guess I'm not sure what people are expecting. If I'm under investigation for a felony, I imagine my phone records, e-mails, and text messages would be open season (assuming warrants, court orders, etc). I wouldn't expect my chat histories to be any different. After all, how often have we seen investigations where law enforcement looked at someone's Google searches?

It feels like a weird narrative is being created. The Vice article words it as, "How tech companies will be enlisted by law enforcement." Like they're partners in some nefarious way. I don't see it as too much different than phone records.

I get hating Facebook. I think we should have federal laws protecting our privacy and data with these tech monopolies. It's out of control.

But it feels like there's a very hard angle on this to villainize Facebook as being extra guilty in some nefarious way. Tch, they don't need any extra help with that.

[Hekate]

18. Sounds like she, a minor, had NO legal counsel present

[LeftInTX]

23. It happens alot and unfortunately there isn't much anyone can do about it

I've read about numerous cases on appeal regarding this...

One thing though: Can they prove that she took the pills and can they prove that they caused an abortion?
At 24 weeks, apparently she may have needed more pills than two is what I read.

I think the charge of the illegal burying will stick

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. Really looking forward to what increased cop funding will do in light of Dobbs.

[Novara]

3. since 2016 I have been asking ...

... why do people still use facebook? Can't they see what they are?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

8. Big Brother is watching you, comrade.

[LeftInTX]

12. In this case, it was her friend.

The girl showed the cops the messenger app to obtain the time that she miscarried.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

14. See George Orwell's '1984'.

[alphafemale]

22. 28 weeks? Because she changed her mind?

That's close to supporting an abortion at 38 weeks because someone decided they want to go to a party and need to fit in the dress..

It is exactly the worst propaganda things the forced birth people say.

And they WILL use this.

[Corgigal]

24. If a DU'er find a link

to assist that mothers legal bills, let me know.

I would think, as a mother, she did what a good mother would do.