The world Trump voters have been living in is about to be sucked into a giant black hole.

[fightforfreedom]

The one comparison I can come up with is when the poor, white, southern soldiers during the civil war learned about the twenty slave rule. They learned the truth, they were fighting for rich peoples slaves, money.. It must have been one hell of a shocking moment for them.

Many of them deserted. Many could not handle the truth and they made up excuses and continued to fight for a lie.

[hlthe2b]

1. Yeah. That's a good comparison, though I'd bet few Trumpsters today know anything about it.

[Beachnutt]

2. Sound familiar ?

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/how-did-adolf-hitler-happen

[rainin]

9. Interesting read. It does sound familiar. Terrifying.

"The ultimate aim of the Nazi Party was to seize power through Germany’s parliamentary system, install Hitler as dictator, and create a community of racially pure Germans loyal to their führer, who would lead them in a campaign of racial cleansing and world conquest."

We're seeing the "loyal followers" all around us.

[kentuck]

3. Good analogy.

And probably under-reported in history books.

[jaxexpat]

18. It was one of many eye-opening facts revealed by Ken Burns' "Civil War" on PBS.

Rending the shroud of ignorance grows ever more challenging in a world of people hypnotized by their cell phone media.

The history we were taught in the Kentucky School system managed to gloss over and under-report any number of historical realities. But then, no US school system was informing their students' understanding of the profound consequence which heritage imposes on the individual. History as a subject of study should perhaps begin with the individual's search into the events which preceded their own ancestors' arrival in the US. Even though only in a very general sense and necessarily non-specific it would be immeasurably beneficial to the society as a whole. I imagine a sort of enlightenment of the national spirit based on cultural grounding instead of the universal mythification which comes from an incomplete understanding of how a "melting pot" actually comes to be.

My own, for instance, was born of the indentured servant act, the abuse of Ireland by the British and a touch of failed revolt and classism in Prussia. Aka: the Saxon, Angle, Celt and Teuton connection pretty common in Americans. Throw in some Letts, Poles and Vandals-Goths-Visigoths-Franks-Turks-Igbos-Yorubas-Hausas-Aros-Oyos, you've covered, at least in part, the vast majority of the non-native population. What a story and ALL connected by real history.

[Lonestarblue]

25. I don't remember much at all from high school history (long time ago 😀), but college was worse.

The professor I remember most was just focused on minutia like forcing us to memorize the campaign slogans of every presidential election without ever doing into the details of the politics behind them—just the slogans and the dates. I promptly forgot the slogan after the test.

I always thought that history should be taught as a part of the humanities—presenting not only the historical facts but what was happening at the same time that informed decisions and public attitudes, e.g., the social movements, the literature, music, racial divides, economic stability or instability.

Too much history today focuses on covering a large number of events without getting very deep into the context of how and why those events came about. One of my pet peeves is the lack of understanding of cause and effect. It isn’t taught much anymore, and heaven knows the media rarely engages in cause-effect analyses, but to me it’s how we analyze what worked, what didn’t work, what had unintended consequences, and what we can learn.

[Old Crank]

28. Sorry to hear that

I had some really good college history courses. Some of it was because US history was broken into small eras. 1900 to 1920. Time to cover the subject. Best was diplomatic history of the US from 1800-1900. Noe real text. A group of history papers from several sides covering the main features like war of 1812.

[wnylib]

29. It's well reported in books on the history of

Nazi Germany. But, it is not well covered, if at all, in many high school history books.

Most Americans are completely unaware of HOW the Nazis came to power and HOW their draconian policies and actions evolved while they were in power. Americans know only the results of Nazi leadership. Consequently, when you try to warn today's Americans about RW extremist politicians and fascism, they scoff and say that you must be wrong because there are no concentration camps or death camps in the US.

They don't know about the step by step process that Nazis took to reach the point that everyone associates with them.

Even worse, many Americans believe that Hitler and the Nazis were leftists because of the word "socialist" in the party name. They don't know that Hitler took over a socialist party and transformed it into fascism, but kept the "socialist workers" in the party name because it would have a broader appeal to working class and some middle class Germans. So today, the American RW tells their followers that "leftists" (Democrats) are Nazis and their followers believe it. Those followers think that they are saving democracy from "socialist Nazis." In reality, they are supporting fascist neo Nazis in the Republican party.

[kentuck]

30. Education has failed America in this area.

If you don't know where you've been, you probably don't know where you're going?

[wnylib]

32. The only reason that I know about it is

that I did my own reading and research. I was motivated by the fact that my mother's parents were both immigrants from Germany when their parents came to the US with their children. That was long before Nazism in Germany. They came in the late 1800s when Kaiser Bill ruled the German Empire. But I wanted to know how the country of my ancestors had become so horrible.

Also, on the other side of my family, my father's mother died when I was 18 months old. I have no memories of her. But for many years, my grandfather's significant other was a woman named Anna. Anna was Jewish. She and her sister grew up in the US as Conservative Jews, but Anna had drifted away from the religious practices that she grew up with. She no longer kept kosher, for example. But she neverlost pride in being Jewish. I can remember when she explained to my cousins and me at a family Christmas gathering the meaning of Hanukkah and passed around Hanukkah geld to us.

My mother told me that Anna had no extended family. Her parents had come to the US in the very early 1900s and Anna and her sister were born in the US. Her parents' siblings, cousins, and other relatives had stayed in Europe (Poland). All of them were kilked in the Holocaust.

I wanted to know as much about it as possible.

[2naSalit]

4. If only...

They could be sucked into oblivion with it!

[gab13by13]

5. Is Idaho going to become our 1st Aryan state?

[uponit7771]

6. K&R, "twenty slave rule" ... learn something new everday

[TheRickles]

8. Ditto. Had to look it up, but thanks for mentioning it.

[Mister Ed]

26. I guess I'll have to go and look it up, too.

I've read this whole thread hoping to learn what the "twenty slave rule' was, but no one's telling.

[Mister Ed]

27. Okay, found it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Negro_Law

The "Twenty Negro Law", also known as the "Twenty Slave Law" was a piece of legislation enacted by the Confederate Congress during the American Civil War. The law specifically exempted from Confederate military service one white man for every twenty slaves owned on a Confederate plantation, or for two or more plantations within five miles of each other that collectively had twenty or more slaves.

[dchill]

13. Me too.

[Baggies]

7. There better be a smoking gun.

If there isn’t a smoking gun that comes out of this action, if it’s not something that’s so obvious that 2/3rds of the voting public can’t deny what it is, then this could very well backfire.

I sure hope they found the smoking gun and it’s not something vague like “We found things, but we can’t tell the public.” That won’t even come close to garnering anything but sympathy.

This is how the real world works.

[orangecrush]

10. I'm pretty sure

The FBI didn't search a former Peresident's residence looking for unpaid parking tickets.

Of course, Trump could show us the search warrant...

[Baggies]

11. If that's the case...

If that’s the case, they better come out with what it is, and be specific in detail.

I just read someone say “Donald Trump stole classified documents some of which were so classified the public will never know what they were.”

That won’t work. That’s nothing more than telling people something bad happened but no one can know what. Extremely immature and unintelligent viewpoint. I’m the most democratic Democratic Party member there is, and even that won’t work for me.

[orangecrush]

12. Trump could easily

Show us the search warrant, and clear it all up.

[lark]

16. That's the last thing in the world he wants.

He loves Garland doing this because it lets him and the other fascists to lie and claim planted info.

[orangecrush]

20. Yup.

Fortunately, the opinions of his cult will have zero control over the outcome of this.

Zip. Zero. NADA.

[lark]

14. That would be breaking the law and Garland doesn't play that way.

I too really wish he would/could come out and at least give us a sense of the reason, but it's actually against the law and considered prejudicial to drumpf which is why tfg wants it done. He PRAYS for Garland to fuck up and he will nail him to the wall, but Garland isn't going there.

[Farmer-Rick]

17. TFG'S whole schtick is a smoking gun

He's come out and said he committed crimes, admitted to them on air, broadcast around the world......and yet nothing happened to him.

You trip over 20 smoking guns just going to one of his rallies.

I'm glad we have our secret documents back. But the information on them is already helping Putin.

Eventually the oligarchs who are protecting TFG are going to get tired of paying his legal fees. Only then will he finally be held accountable for anything.

[dclarston13]

19. About the smoking gun

I doubt we will ever hear about it or them. This play has been in motion since Nixon. There has to some very powerful, very rich people, funding this effort. Regarding what was captured at MAL. The republicans know that if Garland breaks the rules for even a second, the whole case will be thrown out. So they push for him to make the warrant public because it would harm the DOJ case. Additionally there may be clearances involved just to read about some of the documents. If any of those docs were SCI there is no way a person can say it was a mistake that they were moved. There are very strict protocols involved with those types of docs. The public will likely never hear about them.

[niyad]

21. Welcome to our DU family.

[gab13by13]

22. If some of the documents have the names of our overseas spies,

do you think the public should know about that? I took the patience test and my results came back negative but classified documents of the highest level are classified highest level because they will never be revealed to the public, and I am OK with that.

[Baggies]

31. I've read the answers given.

Not good enough. It may satisfy the Democratic base, but that’s an easy sell. The Republicans will do what they do. The Independents need something more solid or the “witch hunt” accusations will only grow more loudly. Already I’m seeing and personally hearing questions of why isn’t the Democratic Party laser focused on inflation, of which I can’t answer, and I have yet to read anything here that wouldn’t get laughed to scorn.

We’ll see how it plays out, however if you’re going to take things to this degree, it better be something both huge and unmistakably serious, and that means more than “it’s so secret we can’t talk about it.” That’s a trust factor, and Independents aren’t feeling it.

[Stuart G]

15. It is not a black hole, it is Trump's soul that will become very cold in a freezing part of hell..

And that will be swell,
Because it is special hell,
For those who spell garbage dump...like Mr. Trump............ ...oh, well..it rhymes with hell!.


Oh, and...... "Mr. Trump doesn't have a clue".........says Mr. Stu.

[malthaussen]

23. I just have this image of Mr Trump preparing to leave the WH...

... as President, he had access to everything. There he sits on his throne, picking over the most sensitive stuff, saying "I'll have one of these, and one of these..." His personality would consider classified documents as future leverage and insurance. That safe was probably stuffed full of secret documents.

-- Mal

[IronLionZion]

24. Slaves were coming here stealing their jobs