How many people here would like to see Hillary Clinton's passport seized?

[brooklynite]

None, right?

Now, how many people would like a Republican administration to have the right to seize Hillary Clinton's passport without her being indicted for a crime?

None, right?

That's why all this "stop Trump from fleeing" talk is nonsense. He HASN'T been indicted, and (if you haven't figured this out yet) he WON'T be indicted until Attorney General Garland is fully prepared to. Absent that, he's a citizen with the right to travel.

[hlthe2b]

1. No. But if/when he is indicted, I sure as hell expect the judge to do so.

[Walleye]

2. I swear to God at this point an indictment is good enough for me. Let the chips fall where they may

[IggleDuer]

3. I don't think I would trust him...

… leaving MAL to go to his golf club.

[brooklynite]

4. He's not at MAL; he IS at his golf club.

[Bluethroughu]

5. Frankly, I'd love to see him leave and never comeback.

Let him try this ridiculous crap in a dictator's country.

[PatSeg]

6. That was what I was thinking

Please, please leave already, as long as he can't come back. Let him be someone else's problem, though it is doubtful that any other country would want him now. He's not worth anything to them anymore. He is such a loser and everyone knows it.

[Bluethroughu]

10. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Nobody wants the nowhere man, he's nothing but a liability.

[PatSeg]

15. His greatest fears are coming true

No one cares about him except for super lowlife MAGATs, the kind of people he can't stand in real life. The voices in his head are saying "loser" over and over again.

[ForgedCrank]

40. Yea, I

don't understand all the fear and anger.
Let him leave. Hell, help him escape. He'll never come back and we'll never have to hear his intolerable voice again. Would that somehow be a bad thing?

[Applan]

7. Lots of people actually

[brooklynite]

8. I mean here...

[sarisataka]

9. All of this fleeing the country talk takes me back

To the heady days of 2017.

Every time he approached Air Force One we were assured he was on his way to Moscow or or Riyadh or some other country to flee from the job he never wanted.

[Ocelot II]

11. He's not likely to try to leave anyhow.

He dislikes being anywhere away from his home turf(s).

[hamsterjill]

12. He's not going to try to flee.

His ego won’t let him believe he could ever be caught. Exhibit A …”I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue…”

[onenote]

13. The idea that he'd run is ludicrous

He is totally convinced of his own invincibility. Running is out of the question.

People have misread him for the past six years. It was predicted he would drop out before the GOP convention. That he would drop out before the debates. That he would drop out before election day. That he would step aside before inauguration day. That he would resign at any number of points during his presidency. That he would leave the country as soon as Biden was inaugurated.

Every one of those predictions has been made here (some multiple times). They all don't get Trump's personality (or, rather, his personality disorder).

[Jarqui]

14. He'll go to Russia or Saudi Arabia or somewhere where there is no extradition treaty

He's probably had dough stashed in the Cook Islands for years (they have a 2 year statute of limitations after deposit - making it untouchable)

I think it is very unlikely he'll spend any time in jail.
He'll run.

[Thomas Hurt]

16. He isn't going anywhere. His ego won't let him leave until he is convicted...

and out of appeals. Then he might run. Hell he might try to incite a revolt again.

[onenote]

23. Exactly.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

17. Can we at least put a shock collar on him? Just for fun? I need an android app for that.

[gratuitous]

18. On what grounds would that happen?

Has Hillary Clinton's home and office been searched by the FBI under a duly-authorized warrant issued by a federal magistrate or judge? Has she shown a relentless attitude toward law-breaking, or even a predilection for sailing really, really close (if not over) to the edge of criminality? Does she have a history of cozying up to the most blood-thirsty dictators on the planet (with the possible exception of Henry Kissinger, though he's not a dictator)?

What grounds would there be to seize or ask her to surrender her passport? Or is this another alarmist query of "If 'they' can hold Donald Trump responsible for a life of crime, what's to stop 'them' from doing it to you?" The answer is "Because those other people you're positing this about haven't done what Donald Trump has done." It seems to me that a serious discussion in law enforcement circles should be had about the possibility of Trump fleeing the country to avoid justice, and what common-sense measures should be taken to make that more difficult for him.

[brooklynite]

22. "On what grounds would that happen?"

Plenty of Republican leaders and potential Presidential candidates have been posting "what about Hillary Clinton?" (and Hunter Biden) and could potentially take just such an action IF it was legal. It's not. Which is why it doesn't apply to Trump.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[gratuitous]

24. Okay, so you don't have a reality-based reason for your speculation

That's all I needed to hear. Thanks.

[brooklynite]

25. I wasn't speculating.

I was pointing out the reasons that people here who want to ignore the existing laws and regulations on restricting movement by a US citizen wouldn't want that same power in the hand of a Republican. Glad to know you agree that the law doesn't permit it.

[gratuitous]

38. Well, the awesome combined wisdom of Biggs, Blackburn and Cruz can't be denied

So, yeah, reality. The same logic that discourages holding any Republican to account for anything, no matter how heinous or infamous the crime because Republicans might concoct some canard to take revenge for their own lawlessness. "It would tear the country apart," because the 81 million people who voted for the Democratic ticket don't really count, and besides, the former guy is just a plain old everyday U.S. citizen who hasn't been charged with anything.

[brooklynite]

39. Nothing to do with wisdom...

Has to do with the political will, legal or not, to play up to the Trump base.

[W_HAMILTON]

31. Glad that you can admit that Republicans are batshit crazy...

..and are more than willing to break norms and traditions and precedents and all of that without any regard whatsoever to what Democrats do.

It basically repudiates your original post, which shamelessly blamed Democrats for future shitty Republican behavior.

Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

[brooklynite]

32. How did I blame Democrats?

Please specify.

[W_HAMILTON]

34. If you are confused, go back and re-read your original post.

And then tell us who the hell we are supposed to think you are criticizing? Especially when you bring up the false equivalency of Hillary, no less?

[brooklynite]

36. Let's review:

How many people here would like to see Hillary Clinton's passport seized? [View all]

None, right?

Nope...

Now, how many people would like a Republican administration to have the right to seize Hillary Clinton's passport without her being indicted for a crime?

None, right?

Nope...

hat's why all this "stop Trump from fleeing" talk is nonsense

Criticism of a comment. That's what we do around here.

Have I missed something?

[Runningdawg]

19. No on seizing passport. However I don't believe for one minute that he doesn't have multiples.

OR that he would even need a passport to flee to places who would give him exile.

[BlackSkimmer]

20. Thank you. ..

Things are getting a bit here lately.

[Sympthsical]

28. I am having the best of times

Like a strip mall of commentary.

[Whiskeytide]

21. I wish he would run. The optics would be awesome. n/t

[48656c6c6f20]

26. To the rescue!

We're all saved!

[albacore]

27. He'll always have a place with Vlad...

[alphafemale]

29. Filth like trump do not need passports

To think so is laughable.

He will be in Saudi Arabia, Russia or Venezuela before you can type another post pleading for his rights.

[W_HAMILTON]

30. And what exactly do you think is preventing a Republican administration from doing that anyway?

Morals?

You think they adhere to precedents?

Republicans have been sliding towards all-out fascism for awhile now -- period. Full stop. Don't blame Democrats for that and don't pre-blame (???) Democrats for Republican's terrible behavior.

Spoiler alert: Republicans will continue to push the boundaries and do things that any reasonable person would find outrageous REGARDLESS of what Democrats do.

[brooklynite]

33. So: its okay for Democrats to ignore the law because Republicans will?

Okay, lets try a more cynical approach. Seize Trump's passport, in violation of the law; Trump goes to Court to get it back; and.....?

[W_HAMILTON]

35. I don't think it's okay to ignore the law, PERIOD.

The law should be followed.

If that means limiting Trump's ability to travel, so be it. If it doesn't, so be it. If it means waiting till he is indicted, so be it.

You could have just as easily made that argument instead of that ridiculous argument you did in your original post by needlessly bringing Hillary into this conversation.

[brooklynite]

37. I've made that argument in three other threads where people were making the same demand.

I decided it might help to explain WHY its a bad idea (in addition to being illegal).