Donald Trump will never spend a moment in jail

[Cyrano]

Why? ... Because presidents don't go to jail and every entity in our government will make sure it doesn't happen.

Once a president is jailed, the same can happen to the next president. That's the threat the Republican Party is making crystal clear. "You jail our president, we'll jail yours." They aren't even bothering to imply it. They're saying it out loud.

Here's the bottom line here. The Republican Party has become an illegitimate band of thugs who play by no rules. And right now, they're blackmailing us with the threat to jail "our" president if we jail "theirs."

Our country is broken. If Trump doesn't belong in jail, then neither did Al Capone.

Time for us to get into this political war. Time to call them out for the criminals they are. Time to tell America to make a choice.

If the majority of voters want to live in a criminal country, then that's what will happen.

But if the vast majority of Americans want to live in a free, democratic country, we're going to have to fight for it. While we still hold power we're going to have to put the "militias" out of business, we're going to have to collect their weapons of war, and we're going to have to make sure that gerrymandering and voter suppression doesn't lead to a stolen election. That's a pretty big order, given that they've spent decades getting here, and we have three months left before election day. Sorry, people, but that's the reality.

Are we going to fight these pricks in every way possible? Or are we willing to live in a country run by fascists? Take your pick. The clock has just about run out. And there ain't no third choice.

[hlthe2b]

1. Time will tell...

[Samrob]

56. He will be sentenced and it will kill him. nt

[Fullduplexxx]

2. No one is above the law and we're a nation of laws not men

Etc

[Scrivener7]

4. Lots of people are above the law.

[onetexan]

30. +1. The Con w get his day.

[Chainfire]

3. If someone is too important to jail, then they are a king or queen, not a president.

[Meowmee]

10. The president in this system

Has too many powers and protections and is in some ways more like a king/ queen or whatever.

[PuppyBismark]

5. What about secret security protection?

If TFG is convicted does he still get SS protection? Should be fun to watch.

[dickthegrouch]

6. Half the SS BELONGS in there with him. /nt

[SheltieLover]

35. Ss goes with him

Just saw article online about this. Maybe CNN, not sure.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

7. Just get him on something to keep him out of the next election, that will work for me

[Marcus IM]

8. Why would you think that the lying gop won't try to jail Biden?

When they tell you who they are, believe them.

They have told us time and time again.

LOCK HIM UP!

[Cyrano]

11. If in 2024, the GOP wins/steals the congress and the presidency

you can bet they'll jail Joe Biden.

But they have far worse in store. They want a Christian-Nationalist nation. And if they control all the levers of power, what's to stop them?

So what happens to everyone else? I really believe they'll go with Auschwitz 2.0. And why wouldn't they. This is what they are. This is who they are.

And for those of you who think I've gone over the edge here, do you really want to wait to find out?

[Mr.Bill]

15. Neither the Congress or the President

have the authority to jail anyone. The only people who have the authority to convict and jail anyone are jurors.

[Cyrano]

24. Yep. Those are the rules

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And, oh yeah, take note of how Donald Trump played by the "rules" during his four years of criminality.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Walk me through how Biden ends up in jail.

Lay out each reality-based step in detail, or admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I certainly agree if the GOP retakes the House, Biden will be investigated and impeached, but jailed? Don’t see how that happens without the GOP being willing to suspend the constitution and rule of law, taking down the world economy and global security.

[EndlessWire]

22. But, don't you see?

They have already stated that it's their intent to do just that. If Trump were to be reelected, on day one we would cease to be a democracy. The repubs don't follow the rules, and the Constitution will be rewritten.

[TheBeam19]

50. If they take back the House this year

they will impeach President Biden in 2023. No question about it. And it doesn’t even matter what they cite as the high crime and misdemeanor; their base will demand impeachment and House Republicans will do it. There is zero chance this won’t happen. For this and many, many other reasons, we have to hold the House this fall.

[Irish_Dem]

9. We have a multi-tiered justice system. Trump is at the very highest level, the untouchable level.

It remains to be seen if anything will be done about him.

[Cyrano]

21. The will isn't there.

Republican threats are extreme and would lead to violence.

Seems to me that it's past time to stop putting up with Republican threats. Real or not, those are threats against our Constitution.

At some point, we'll stop being wusses, understand who and what they are, and get into the battle for America and our freedoms.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yep, just like the will to stop gun violence, drug price gouging, equal rights, isn't there.

To make the US a modern country on par with the other western democracies.
The will is not there.

[Evolve Dammit]

40. Agree with you both. Even the desire to improve peoples lives is vilified. Incapable presently.

[Irish_Dem]

49. The GOP does not want to improve the lives of Americans.

In a capitalistic society, private profits are the only thing of any importance.

And the racist, misogynist GOP does not want POC or single moms to have a better life.

Our most valuable resources are the planet and the humans who live on it.
And the GOP values neither, they are expendable resources.

[Evolve Dammit]

53. sounds right. They certainly are in lockstep waiting for the Chosen One's "stand by"....

He remains their key to all they desire.

[Irish_Dem]

55. Yes they are ready to become violent at Trump's orders.

Trump will get them all they desire, or at least they think he will.

[Evolve Dammit]

58. They have no idea (nor do they care) what the markets, banks, etc. do because most have no

interest in what happens next. The anger clouds all rational thought. And many have nothing to lose economically. So buckle up, cuz it's coming. Just a matter of time and as always, I hope I'm totally f'in wrong.

[Irish_Dem]

59. I agree, the violence will get worse before it gets better.

I hope I am wrong too.

[Bread and Circuses]

12. ⏰ Sick of the threats from the repukicans and there is first for everything.

Really this is how and why we are still fighting the Civil War.

Traitors need to be at the end of the rope if they violated the Espionage act. That's the law.

And there are serious civil cases and criminal cases in NY and Georgia.

Worrying about what they will do if Democrats fight for justice and freedom has culminated in this
Azzhole and his 60 million deplorables. We already have experienced what they will do.

And you are right, Time is running out.

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. How would a Republican DOJ rig a jury?

That’s what it would take to enact your “jail one of ours, we jail one of yours” scenario.

The GOP could certainly investigate and impeach a Dem president to their heart’s content (and I fully expect they will if they retake the House), but search warrants would require collusion with a corrupt judge, indictments would require corrupting a grand jury, and convictions would require corrupting a jury of citizens.

Walk me through the detailed steps a vengeful GOP would have to take to do this. Feel free to use hypothetical examples based in reality, but, please, don’t bother with any lazy, broadbrush hyperbole like “they’re so evil and corrupt I just know they’ll do it!” as evidence supporting your assertion.

In my view, the only way your hypothesis plays out is if the next administration (it would have to be the executive branch, not congress) goes full fascist, attempts to suspend the Constitution, institute martial law, etc.

In the meantime, the odds increase daily that Trump will be indicted; Odds of conviction depend upon the juries, the skills of the prosecution and defense, and the neutrality/sympathies of the presiding judges.

[Mr.Bill]

19. Thank you for stating that

in far more detail than I did in my post #15. I obviously had not read your post before I posted mine.

[Cyrano]

26. You're relying on rules that Republicans have no

intention of playing by. It they take over, forget any concept you have of what America is "supposed" to be.

[Evolve Dammit]

43. I agree with that prognosis. Mid-terms are crucial, more than at anytime I've known.

[JohnSJ]

14. and no president has every incited an insurrection against our government. We live in unprecedente

times

[doc03]

16. I agree he will never be locked up but if he is not

they will succeed next time. Damned if he is damned if he isn't. I vote for jail.

[DBoon]

18. Only if he flees to a country that will not extradite him

Idi Amin died in exile.

So might Donald Trump.

[Sewa]

20. I believe President Biden would pardon him

I think that out of respect for the position of president, Biden would give Trump a pardon, if he was facing jail time. Just my opinion 💀🤙

[EndlessWire]

25. I disagree.

I think we are past the point where he gets off the charges. Except, maybe we can exile him forever. That would work. Give him a choice: life in a Super Max, or leave for another country. Saudi Arabia seems to like him.

[BannonsLiver]

29. I don't think Biden is willing to throw away his legacy and possible second term by pardoning Dump.

Just a hunch.

[Tree Lady]

31. Just listening to young 22 yr old who

Is journalist for the post on Bill last night she was saying how the people her age didn't want Joe to run again. People have said bad shit about Bill some of it right on but when she said that Bill said look at all he has done this month and counted off all the things and saying about how he's helping climate and that's what the young wanted.

She said its about how it looks to them. And I got what she was saying no matter what Joe does the young are demanding someone youthful to lead us. Bill said nothing would get passed without having someone experienced like Joe.

Bill had great answer and I hope she listened and will pass it on.

[raccoon]

32. I sincerely hope that won't ever happen. That was Gerald Ford's big

Mistake. Pardoning Nixon.

[KPN]

27. I'm not so sure, but wouldn't be totally surprised.

I do feel confident he will pay “bigly” one way or another, as will his family members and son-in-law because, somewhat sadly, of him and his influence on who they are.

Trump has put us through a national nightmare going on seven years now. Somehow, I feel like he won’t be here that much longer; certainly not another seven years, and it seems like less, maybe significantly less. Just a feeling. I don’t know how he’ll be gone, but if my feeling’s right, he will be.

[Cyrano]

28. About that exiling him thing

able was I ere I saw elba

That's a palindrome: A sentence that reads the same forward and backward. That palindrome refers to Napoleon being exiled to the island of Elba.

I'm not sure, but can an Emperor/President/King be exiled if you can't create a palindrome describing it? After all, don't "superior" beings deserve a palindrome at the very least? Any Ivy League wordsmith have an answer to that?

Anyone care to try to make up one about Donald?

[48656c6c6f20]

33. It's something I've known for a long time now.

We're no better than a banana republic, the window dressing is just nicer.
December and I'm out of this shit hole country, and no, where I'm going isn't any better but they don't claim to be either. The big lie that this is the best democracy to date is coming to full light. It's no better than any of the other corrupt shit hole countries.

[dwayneb]

48. True, but it's a harsh lesson

Especially when you look at all the men and women that died in WWII to prevent Fascism from reaching our shores. All that suffering and death - for what? To watch our once happy and free nation go under the boot?

For those of us that have children and grandchildren it is especially devastating.

[NNadir]

34. How is it that you're privy to this special intelligence? n/t.

[dameatball]

36. Is there some scenario where they will NOT try to put Democratic presidents in jail at this point?

I doubt it.

[ancianita]

37. Seriously? THIS EX-president will go to jail. We don't have presidents go to jail because

they don't break the law, not even by accident or ignorance. THIS ex-president is still obstructing justice.

During his presidency he broke a list of laws the length of one's arm. Not ethics violations. Laws. Two impeachments proved that, despite the political Senate vote.

Only 23% of our country is broken, the percent who voted for him. They don't know how anything works to begin with. So it's incorrect to say that because they're broken, the whole country is. Even Biden got BIPARTISAN laws passed, so even the GOP can be said not to be completely broken.

Everything you say about what we're going to have to do is being done. It is a big order that Main Justice addresses, just not done in some nighttime TV reporting format.

On gerrymandering: https://search.justice.gov/search?query=gerrymandering&op=Search&affiliate=justice

On voter suppression: https://search.justice.gov/searchquery=voter+suppression&op=Search&affiliate=justice

This is reality, too.

The country has a fascist insurgency -- it's oligarchic and corporate, the rest are media dupes who believe the hype.

It's still too soon to worry yet; we'd do well to give the 81 million who turned out in 2020 some credit. A third blue wave is coming.

[catchnrelease]

38. Exile would be good...but

I think they need to open up the new Presidential Suite at Guantanamo Bay. They can even send his golden toilet down there for him, then throw away the key! He can have his own little kingdom there. No wifi, no internet, no outside communication.

[marked50]

39. Send him to Saint Helena.

[Escurumbele]

41. trump IS going to jail, mostly when treason is proven.

There is one thing for jailing someone with circumstantial evidence, another one is with solid evidence, treason is something else the judicial and Democratic systems cannot tolerate.

HE IS GOING TO JAIL.

[grantcart]

42. Abu Dhabi

[Justice matters.]

44. If so, what guaranty do you have they won't do it anyway?

"The Republican Party has become an illegitimate band of thugs who play by no rules."

Even if the National-Security threat on two sticks is not jailed for all his never-ending crime spree, after convictions, is not jailed for life, do you really think the illegitimate band of thugs who play by no rules will not jail Biden, Obama and Clinton?

Tell us, who believe in the rule of law (that no one is above the law and its consequences), what makes you think they will not? All they'll have to do to jail them will be to make up a crazy rationale or just fabricate evidence out of thin air.

[superpatriotman]

45. As Nixon said

It’s not a crime if the President does it. Or something like that.

[Mr. Ected]

46. It will be difficult to maintain the rule of law if we don't apply it consistently

If the result of that is the other half seizing control and circumventing our criminal justice system, then we have more to fear than jailed presidents.

Problem is, if you ever try to engage the other half, they believe to their core that a grave injustice is about to visit Trump. We can't put that genie back in the bottle. The brainwash is complete.

[dwayneb]

47. Well stated and all true

I've been sounding the warning about creeping Fascism for 40 years, and it seems no one was listening. Now the survival of our democracy is on a knife's edge and I am afraid that our best efforts may be too little, too late.

All we can do at this point is pray that the 40% -50% of voters that did not even participate in 2016 and 2020 get their head out of their ass and vote. Our future as a free nation hinges on what they do (or do not do) in the 2022 and 2024 elections.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

51. The cops once took my son to jail for liberating a dog from a dog catcher's truck.

It was a neighbor's beloved dog. The boy done me proud.

Yet wealthy narcissistic fascist sociopath criminal grifters like Trump can steal Top Secret Documents from the White House, tell the DOJ and FBI to fuck off, and never see one minute behind bars.

[Kid Berwyn]

52. Not just the dip. ALL the traitors need to be held to account.

Where is your loyalty, with the Constitution or Trump?



Great OP, Cyrano. Most Americans are with the former. The others are deplorable — and they have made themselves known.

[ecstatic]

54. That doesn't sit well with me. It reeks of complicity

to decide not to hold tfg accountable because we're worried about one of our own being sent to jail in an actual witch hunt.

I get it, the qOP is extremely corrupt and they wouldn't hesitate to manufacture trumped-up charges against an innocent Democratic president. We've seen it happen. The difference is our president won't actually be guilty of anything and their attacks and false accusations won't stick.

If trumped up charges actually did stick, that means our democracy was already lost, which would mean we wouldn't have the Democratic president to falsely charge in the first place. That's why holding these people accountable is so important.

What we do now will set the tone for what happens in the future. It will determine whether we will still have engaged civil servants who are willing to stick their necks out to do the right thing. Right now there are FBI agents who are getting death threats. Some may even die over this. We cannot let their heroism go in vain. We can't get to the point where real crimes go unpunished because that will guarantee a future where fake crimes are punished.

[ForgedCrank]

57. We don't

have any real idea as of right now what the validated facts are.
We don't know what he took, when he took it, what the FBI found, or anything else really. All we know is what we saw on the released warrant stating what they were looking for. Yes, there are boat loads of rumor and gossip, but we've seen zero in the realm for verifiable facts as of this moment.
No crime has been officially identified as of yet either. BUT, if it can be proven that he did commit the crimes he is being investigated for, I don't think the DOJ can just wave it off at this point. I'm not so sure they will actually cuff him and toss him in prison, but they will almost be forced to charge him and send this to trial. In the end, if convicted, I'm guessing it'll just be a felony conviction record and maximum fines permissible.
That's my wild guess.
I'm still skeptical that this slippery asshole left enough evidence to be of any use legally. He's been getting by with everything he did for years now.

[Earth-shine]

60. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager that "Donald Trump will never spend a moment in jail."