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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:41 PM Aug 2022

John Kelly: Trump 'didn't believe in the classification system'

Former White House chief of staff John Kelly explained to The Washington Post that his former boss did not understand why America's secrets are classified.

Kelly's comments were included in a Washington Post deep-dive by reporters Josh Dawsey, Rosalind S. Helderman, Jacqueline Alemany and Devlin Barrett titled, "Trump’s secrets: How a records dispute led the FBI to search Mar-a-Lago."

"A Trump adviser said the former president’s reluctance to relinquish the records stems from his belief that many items created during his term — photos, notes, even a model of Air Force One built to show off a new paint job he had commissioned — are now his personal property, despite a law dating to the 1970s that decreed otherwise," the newspaper reported.

The newspaper interviewed Kelly, who also served as Secretary of Homeland Security and as a four-star Marine Corps general.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-kelly-trump-didn-t-believe-in-the-classification-system/ar-AA10Dpoi

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John Kelly: Trump 'didn't believe in the classification system' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 OP
"records dispute".... What a joke of a headline. Nevilledog Aug 2022 #1
Of course it's a joke. Baitball Blogger Aug 2022 #10
And the republicans, instead of teaching him lessons that he needs to follow rules, Claustrum Aug 2022 #14
They keep doubling down on the white privilege. Baitball Blogger Aug 2022 #16
Last chance for Dixie. Kid Berwyn Aug 2022 #21
Isn't that too bad for TFG. FalloutShelter Aug 2022 #2
Well said. dixiechiken1 Aug 2022 #12
Hey, he can take whatever he wants as long as he pops a couple Tic Tacs first. tanyev Aug 2022 #3
grab 'em by the SCI nt gay texan Aug 2022 #6
He didn't "believe" in the Constitution or the Rule of Law either. Golden Raisin Aug 2022 #4
Trump has been screaming LOCK HER UP for some time Skittles Aug 2022 #5
Hey, what's that deal about ignorance of the law? paleotn Aug 2022 #7
That only seems to apply to average Americans like you and I. Claustrum Aug 2022 #15
Ask sovereign citizen yahoos how not believing certain laws make sense or apply to them usually RockRaven Aug 2022 #8
Come on, we know TFG doesn't believe in laws or democracy sinkingfeeling Aug 2022 #9
Where are the gifts that foreign governments and people gave to the Trumps NCjack Aug 2022 #11
You know, as well as I SergeStorms Aug 2022 #17
Tough Shit Cha Aug 2022 #13
There are seemingly many US Government systems he doesn't believe in DFW Aug 2022 #18
he thought the justice department was his and the generals were his and everything else in fishwax Aug 2022 #19
Everything and everyone are his personal property and personal servants. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #20
Oh, and General Kelly? gratuitous Aug 2022 #22
Does he think the White House is his too? And the Presidency? milestogo Aug 2022 #23
So Willto Aug 2022 #24

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
10. Of course it's a joke.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:08 PM
Aug 2022

Trump never followed any rules. He thought he was above the law. He thought as president, he WAS the law.

He was not disciplined, did not understand public process, and it will bring him down.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
14. And the republicans, instead of teaching him lessons that he needs to follow rules,
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:44 PM
Aug 2022

protected and not punished him every step of the way which made him act out even worst.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
21. Last chance for Dixie.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 05:33 PM
Aug 2022

I imagine once-wealthy aristocratic slaveholders who survived the war trying their damndest to get their fortunes back as riverboat gamblers. Today, their white devil slave master descendants in GZP Congress double down. It’s all they can do to buy time.

FalloutShelter

(11,866 posts)
2. Isn't that too bad for TFG.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:43 PM
Aug 2022

The system did not require his belief, it required his compliance. That’s how the law works.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
15. That only seems to apply to average Americans like you and I.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:46 PM
Aug 2022

Somehow, TFG and his "children" got out of the Mueller probe with that exact ignorance excuse where we would be put in jail immediately.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
8. Ask sovereign citizen yahoos how not believing certain laws make sense or apply to them usually
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:57 PM
Aug 2022

turns out in federal court...

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
11. Where are the gifts that foreign governments and people gave to the Trumps
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:16 PM
Aug 2022

and people in the TFG's administration? Those gifts are required to be surrendered to the National Archives.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
17. You know, as well as I
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:55 PM
Aug 2022

where those "gifts" are. They're in Mar-ma-lardo or Bedbugminster.

"They were my gifts, for me! MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE!

DFW

(54,379 posts)
18. There are seemingly many US Government systems he doesn't believe in
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:57 PM
Aug 2022

Income tax laws, equal justice under law, emoluments laws, voting rights laws, fair elections, the peaceful transfer of power,

and a lot of etc.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
19. he thought the justice department was his and the generals were his and everything else in
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 10:37 PM
Aug 2022

the government was his. So of course he thinks of these documents as his. It has nothing to do with ignorance of the law--he just thinks he's above all that nonsense. He's like a bored kid playing with his toys and under an oversimplified fantasy conception of how the world and politics work. Six-year-olds, for instance, might often just sort of assume that the president can do anything he wants because it's the ultimate power in their conception of the world.

That's how Trump has always conceived of wealth and of celebrity ("when you're a star ...&quot , and the presidency was just another step in that line for him. He's never really had access to power that was structured by something resembling a legitimate authority. It was just the raw power that comes from money (rather than money coupled with important experience and expertise that one might work to acquire alongside their wealth) or from celebrity (rather than the sort of artistry or insight that some develop alongside, and which helps to account for, their fame). He's never had to care about that, so he doesn't see it as relevant.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
20. Everything and everyone are his personal property and personal servants.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 04:43 PM
Aug 2022

That is how sociopathic narcissists think.

Willto

(292 posts)
24. So
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:10 PM
Aug 2022

If I get pulled over for speeding I can just say, "I'm sorry officer but I don't believe in traffic laws".

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