We need to fly Union battle flags

[orthoclad]

To remind folks who won that conflict.

Hard to find, though.
Here is a Civil War cavalry flag:
[link:https://www.ebay.com/itm/161806903058?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=161806903058&targetid=&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=2840&poi=9031139&campaignid=17950301476&mkgroupid=&rlsatarget=&abcId=9301082&merchantid=101648833|
eBay also has Army of the Potomac flag, but it's not quickly recognizable

As far as Civil War US flags, I favor the 35-star flag, created for the admission of West Virginia:
https://www.gettysburgflag.com/flags-banners/historical-civil-war-flags

I'm looking for specifically a battle flag, created to fly over the field, like the dicksie battle flag was. Hah-- there was a Union "snowflake" pattern stars and stripes. The Snowflake won!

[al_liberal]

1. Why not just fly the American flag? That's who won.

The states that lost called themselves a different country. The fought against the US.

[orthoclad]

2. Historical comparison

I want a flag that faced the dicksie flag.

[msongs]

3. here's the official confederacy flag..

[orthoclad]

7. So true

[keithbvadu2]

4. (To the GOP): Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s.

Confederate flag & Party of Lincoln

(To the GOP): Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s.

[orthoclad]

8. The moran got a brain

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[mitch96]

5. We have to let them know that THIS was the first "Rebel" flag... and it wasn't a loser flag either.

[orthoclad]

6. I've seen too many Trumpers flying that one

They think they're the real thing.
"1776" is one of their code words -- like Boebert on Jan6.

[mitch96]

9. Put right across the middle of the flag.."The FIRST Rebel flag" might piss them off..

Down here I only see the confederate stars and bars flag and the occasional TFG flag.. If I do see an American flag it's the current one...
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[orthoclad]

16. There were a lot of Union unit flags

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specific to the civil war, but no specific battle flag. The dicksie battle flag was created so rebel units could readily tell sides, because their first flag looked too much like the Union flag. That cavalry guidon looks different enough from modern flags (stars in concentric circles) to look historical.

I'm tired of letting Covfeferates get away with it. "Southern pride", right.
But "1776" and associated symbols (think "Tea Party" ) are their code words for right-wing insurrection.

Now that they're babbling about civil war, they need a reminder.

(edit: I hate emoticons, especially when I didn't intend them )

[Celerity]

12. Nike Drops 'Betsy Ross Flag' Sneaker After Kaepernick Criticizes It

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/business/betsy-ross-shoe-kaepernick-nike.html



Nike planned to celebrate the Fourth of July with a new sneaker, a special edition of the Air Max 1 Quick Strike featuring that most patriotic of symbols: an American flag. But rather than including a flag with 50 stars as part of its design, the sneaker’s heel featured the 13-star model, a design associated with the Revolutionary War, the Philadelphia seamstress Betsy Ross and, for some people, a painful history of oppression and racism.

On Tuesday, Nike canceled the release of the sneaker, again plunging headlong into the nation’s culture wars. The abrupt cancellation came after Colin Kaepernick, the former National Football League quarterback and social justice activist, privately criticized the design to Nike, according to a person with knowledge of the interaction. Mr. Kaepernick, who signed a lucrative deal to serve as a Nike brand ambassador last year, expressed the concern to the company that the Betsy Ross flag had been co-opted by groups espousing racist ideologies, the person said.

Sandra Carreon-John, a company spokeswoman, said in a statement on Tuesday that Nike had made the decision to “halt distribution” of the sneaker “based on concerns that it could unintentionally offend and detract from the nation’s patriotic holiday.” The company’s initial acknowledgment of the recall hours earlier did not explain the reasoning behind the decision.

While people all across the political spectrum debated the issue on social media, Gov. Doug Ducey, Republican of Arizona, announced on Twitter that he would pull back state support for a Nike facility that would have employed more than 500 people. Nike had proposed to open the $184 million plant in Goodyear, Ariz. “Words cannot express my disappointment at this terrible decision,” Mr. Ducey said in a series of tweets, adding that Nike “has bowed to the current onslaught of political correctness and historical revisionism.”

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Five myths about the American flag

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-american-flag/2011/06/08/AG3ZSkOH_story.html

[mountain grammy]

14. I was so happy when Nike canceled this

and even more happy they did it because Kaepernick asked them to and explained why. I didn't know that part until now.

The nuts in my area are all flying the 1776 flag for a new rebellion.. fucking idiots.

[orthoclad]

20. Wow

[Gore1FL]

10. While I get it, I don't like to re-sue symbols of the past for political purposes.

The right has done a lot of that. History belongs to us all.

[orthoclad]

11. The right has already seized history

with all the dicksie battle flags at Trump events. Counter that. Remind them who lost.

[Gore1FL]

13. Don't get me wrong. I have a 20th Maine Flag mounted on an office wall at work.

An adjacent wall has drawing of Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain leading that unit in a charge down the slopes of Little Round Top.

I would love to introduce them to that history. I don't want to repurpose the symbols of that history, though. We've seen the damage done when the right has done it.

Where the power comes from, is making the point that the patriotic symbols of our yesteryear and today have always stood for liberalism and social progress.

[orthoclad]

17. A lot of symbols are ambiguous

Look at the Nike post above. That makes me think of Douglass' "What is your Fourth of July to the slave?" Or for that matter, to the Shawnee.

But there's less ambiguity about North vs Dixie battle flag. There was one clear reason for secession.

And the north wasn't the shining city on the hill. 750,000 people died; nobody's hands were clean. I sometimes wonder if letting the South go and welcoming escaped enslaved would have been better; the plantation economy would have collapsed without the stolen labor. But the North didn't want "those people" either, except on the battlefield.

[Tommy Carcetti]

15. The Civil War ended in 1865.

We’re done with it. Don’t need to refight it.

Besides, wasn’t the Union battle flag simply the American flag?

[FuzzyRabbit]

18. The civil war never ended.

The Confederate states may have surrendered, but whites in the south never stopped fighting.

In my lifetime, they fought segregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1956. They tried to prohibit integration in the south in the 1960s. They lynched blacks for decades, and still do via bigoted police. They tried to overthrow the government on Jan 6, 2021 in Washington, DC.

All of these events (and more) are extensions of the civil war. And it has spread from the deep south to the rest of the country.

[orthoclad]

21. Synchronous thinking !

Yes, the Covfeferacy carried the Dicksie flag into the Capitol, something not even the Confederacy managed.

[LakeArenal]

22. Tell the South that....They are still fighting it.

[orthoclad]

19. It didn't really end

The fighting stopped, followed by Reconstruction, which was ended due to a contested election. There has been a guerilla war since then: Jim Crow, lynchings, massacres, Wallace, Reagan, Trump: a continuous line.

As best as I can tell, there was no special Union battle flag. There were three different Union flags during the war: 33, 34, 35 stars. Those flags look very much like the 50 star flag and would need close inspection to ID. I was hoping to find something distinctive, like that cavalry guidon, which has stars in two rings and the corners of the field.

Ignoring the insurrectionists won't make them go away. We have failed to confront them since the debacle at Waco, and they just get bolder.

I wish we could forget the Covfeferacy, but they won't let us.

[TheRealNorth]

23. Maybe a Union Regimental Battle Flag/Regimental Colors

ie.

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This is a picture of the actual regimental flag of the 27th Indiana, which is why it has some discoloration and imperfections, probably from age and/or battle damage.

I bet someone will make there, or at least the more popular regiments (20th ME, 2nd WI, 1st MN for example)

[orthoclad]

24. That's an idea