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moonshinegnomie

(2,451 posts)
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:27 AM Aug 2022

arrest TFG now

now delay or wait another day.
under the espionage act section 793 (d)
Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both


the government asked for teh documents back. TFG didnt return them
then they subpoenaed the. and still he didnt return them
so the seized them with a warrant.

he's clearly in violation of the espionage act. Its time to haul his fat ass to jail



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arrest TFG now (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 OP
Scientific Fact of the Day... LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #1
Every time I read "espionage act" somewhere KS Toronado Aug 2022 #2
each document can be another 10 years moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #19
With the FBI retrieving 27 boxes of documents KS Toronado Aug 2022 #24
traitor, seditionist conspirator, clear and present danger - go time bringthePaine Aug 2022 #3
I trust Merrick Garland to know when the time is right to arrest Trump. ShazzieB Aug 2022 #4
Ditto, but can hardly wait! elleng Aug 2022 #5
This YoshidaYui Aug 2022 #7
They are following procedure. EndlessWire Aug 2022 #11
that doesn't even matter Novara Aug 2022 #15
It matters in the context of the threat assessment. n/t EndlessWire Aug 2022 #18
under the espionage act it doesnt matter if classified or not moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #20
I understand Delphinus Aug 2022 #12
Pendejo45 is Irony Deficient, after signing the following ... aggiesal Aug 2022 #6
"What goes around, comes around." n/t sprinkleeninow Aug 2022 #8
Not right now StrkSrviver Aug 2022 #9
Why would Iran want to harm Trump? gab13by13 Aug 2022 #10
Hope they are not busy working out a deal for him to avoid prison, BSdetect Aug 2022 #13
DOJ CONTACT INFO Novara Aug 2022 #14
And just how well has your thread gone? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #21
If it had been you or I who had been found with documents back in June, we would be in month #3 Vinca Aug 2022 #16
Why don't you give Garland a call? BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #17
Here's a thought, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #22
Well, that would be nice, but it's not really possible. MineralMan Aug 2022 #23

KS Toronado

(17,235 posts)
2. Every time I read "espionage act" somewhere
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 02:48 AM
Aug 2022

I think of spies, lots of them get shot. Plus he deserves more than 10 years in prison.

KS Toronado

(17,235 posts)
24. With the FBI retrieving 27 boxes of documents
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 03:33 PM
Aug 2022

Could that mean life in prison? Couldn't happen to a more deserving individual.
Thanks for the info.

ShazzieB

(16,399 posts)
4. I trust Merrick Garland to know when the time is right to arrest Trump.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 03:02 AM
Aug 2022

I honestly do. At this point, he's shown us that he knows exactly what he's doing. He also has access to a lot more information than we do, as well as a better understanding of the law involved and of what it's going to take to properly nail Trump’s hide to the wall.

I understand having a feeling of urgency about this, but I think we should trust AG Garland to know what to do and to choose the best time to do it.

EndlessWire

(6,531 posts)
11. They are following procedure.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:18 AM
Aug 2022

When Schiff requested the threat assessment, it was mandatory. Now, they have to do a threat assessment based on the boxes and boxes of classified documents they retrieved.

Now, I read that the threat assessment is mandatory. So, why didn't they do that on the first 15 boxes? Could it be that there were no classified documents in the boxes that tRump voluntarily returned? I don't think they ever told us anything more about the first 15 boxes. I could be wrong.

I think tRump is playing fast and loose with the documents. His attitude is going to bite him in the butt.

Novara

(5,842 posts)
15. that doesn't even matter
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:57 AM
Aug 2022

None of the chatter about declassification matters.

What we know is that HE WAS ILLEGALLY IN POSSESSION OF CLASSIFIED MATERIAL, and that is a felony. PLUS, he lied when he said it was all returned. Add another charge to the pile.

Add additional charges later, after the threat assessment. But indict him NOW on what we do know, and which is clear to everyone: he was illegally in possession of classified material.

moonshinegnomie

(2,451 posts)
20. under the espionage act it doesnt matter if classified or not
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:12 AM
Aug 2022

simply having government documents that threaten national defense and not returning them when asked is a felony. classification level doesnt matter

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
12. I understand
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:22 AM
Aug 2022
BUT he still has a platform and he and his GQP cult in Congress are lying and twisting truth and turning themselves inside out to protect him. The TRUTH is finding a hard time getting heard.

I am so sick about this.
 

StrkSrviver

(85 posts)
9. Not right now
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 04:14 AM
Aug 2022

He's not leaving the country. Any travel outside the United States leaves him more exposed to the Iranian fatwa and he knows that.
And 2 more points. First, once arrested he would take the attorney's advice and not say anything to the (?)press. The more he talks the more he confesses.
2nd, How can he keep pleading the 5th in all the upcoming lawsuits against him? The more he's forced to do that,the more bad news he projects about himself. Doesn't matter to his hard core supporters but the more doubt about him you get out there the better to kinda chip away the support. The same strategy used by producers of the radio show"Superman" in the 1950's to combat the KKK.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
10. Why would Iran want to harm Trump?
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:00 AM
Aug 2022

He gave them the nuclear bomb.
Putin wouldn't allow Iran to harm Trump.

Trump is a danger to our national security, he needs to be indicted sooner rather than later. How many years do you think it would take to actually put Trump on trial? Indict him, before the election.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
13. Hope they are not busy working out a deal for him to avoid prison,
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:52 AM
Aug 2022

No need to worry about "healing" the country on our account.

The presidency will survive his incarceration.

Novara

(5,842 posts)
14. DOJ CONTACT INFO
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:53 AM
Aug 2022
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217042543

I posted the same sort of thread with a link to DOJ contact info (great minds think alike).

I sent the DOJ a message on their contact form demanding they arrest him now. Please send your messages too. Let's inundate them with demands for justice.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
16. If it had been you or I who had been found with documents back in June, we would be in month #3
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:58 AM
Aug 2022

of our incarceration. I don't see how they have any choice in the matter. They have to arrest him.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,378 posts)
22. Here's a thought,
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:18 AM
Aug 2022

pick up the phone, call AG Garland and demand he arrest Benedict Donald RFN, I'm sure he'll get right on it.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
23. Well, that would be nice, but it's not really possible.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:18 AM
Aug 2022

Before he can be arrested, he has to be charged with a crime. Before he can be charged with a crime, a federal grand jury has to indict him. Such grand juries are already empaneled and are hearing evidence.

When he is indicted, as I'm sure he will be, an arrest warrant will be issued. He will be arrested, in one way or another, and will appear in court to answer those charged. Then, not doubt whatsoever, he will be released on bond until a trial date is set. He will not be immediately jailed or imprisoned, though, and a trial would be months away, if not longer.

That's how it works. Wishing will not change that. There is no way he can be arrested, just based on our certainty that he should be.

It just doesn't work that way.

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