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IcyPeas

(21,871 posts)
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 04:38 AM Aug 2022

Climate activists fill golf holes with cement after water ban exemption for golf greens

Last edited Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Climate activists in southern France have filled golf course holes with cement to protest against the exemption of golf greens from water bans amid the country's severe drought.

The group targeted sites l the city of Toulouse, calling golf the "leisure industry of the most privileged".

The exemption of golf greens has sparked controversy as 100 French villages are short of drinking water.

In a petition, the activists said the exemption showed that "economic madness takes precedence over ecological reason".

While residents cannot water their gardens or wash their cars in the worst-hit municipalities, golf courses have escaped the nationwide restrictions.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62532840
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Climate activists fill golf holes with cement after water ban exemption for golf greens (Original Post) IcyPeas Aug 2022 OP
The activists damage sounds tiny as compared to Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #1
Im with george carlin on golf courses nt msongs Aug 2022 #2
I am never in favor of filthy vandalism alphafemale Aug 2022 #3
Harsh criticism for Climate activists. Duppers Aug 2022 #7
What property of yours is someone allowed to destroy? alphafemale Aug 2022 #21
Golf courses getting watered while 100 villages Lars39 Aug 2022 #40
m'kay go with the criminal behavior. alphafemale Aug 2022 #43
Criminal is grass getting watered while people go thirsty. Lars39 Aug 2022 #45
This Sky Jewels Aug 2022 #51
nothing but a little plastic $5 cup is destroyed Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #41
OK alphafemale Aug 2022 #42
LOL canetoad Aug 2022 #9
I am against destruction of anyone's property. alphafemale Aug 2022 #22
No, It's Not ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #48
Jobs? Bank accounts? Conjuay Aug 2022 #10
Don't destroy property. alphafemale Aug 2022 #23
Your fainting couch has been ordered. GoneOffShore Aug 2022 #13
Oh my! alphafemale Aug 2022 #24
Filthy!!! Honey clutch those pearls!!! Thtwudbeme Aug 2022 #18
Just pay the fine for vandalism. alphafemale Aug 2022 #25
Don't have jobs??? Classy!!! USALiberal Aug 2022 #26
Classier than destroying someone else's property. alphafemale Aug 2022 #28
What do the fish, butterflies, native plants and trees do? Ponietz Aug 2022 #32
Just so you know they move the holes around on golf greens all the time Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #33
Is it your property to fuq about with? alphafemale Aug 2022 #37
Did they pour wet cement into the holes or dry cement. Emile Aug 2022 #35
The asshole who added any cement alphafemale Aug 2022 #38
This happened before in 1978? I missed that one. Emile Aug 2022 #46
K&R 2naSalit Aug 2022 #4
Golf courses will need to adapt and find climate friendly alternatives. alphafemale Aug 2022 #5
Indeed! 👍 Duppers Aug 2022 #6
Unlike golf canetoad Aug 2022 #11
It is still a huge waste of water. alphafemale Aug 2022 #27
Doesn't matter where the pools are located. They are a waste of water jimfields33 Aug 2022 #36
"We're In a water emergency and unnecessary pools must go." EX500rider Aug 2022 #47
Bread AND Roses. Though I agree about golf courses. GoneOffShore Aug 2022 #14
New cups are cut on a near daily basis depending on the course. twodogsbarking Aug 2022 #8
Should have covered whole greens . . . hatrack Aug 2022 #12
"This does nothing" BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #15
I am whelmed. twodogsbarking Aug 2022 #29
But you actually clicked on the link and read that this happened BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #30
Filling in golf cups with concrete won't stop people from golfing. twodogsbarking Aug 2022 #31
But it spurs discussion and brings it to the attention of the elected officials there BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #34
Laughing at you alphafemale Aug 2022 #39
Updated link below BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #16
French people, you know how to handle royalty. NCjack Aug 2022 #17
Large lawns are an ecological nightmare Marthe48 Aug 2022 #19
i applaud this act of monkey wrenching. mopinko Aug 2022 #20
Tragedy of the commons. Golf Course property using the peoples water. CoopersDad Aug 2022 #44
Here in the U.S.A. whoever drills the deepest well gets the water... hunter Aug 2022 #49
Excellent! Sky Jewels Aug 2022 #50
Does the "activism" have some kind of democratic validity? gulliver Aug 2022 #52
 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
3. I am never in favor of filthy vandalism
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 05:38 AM
Aug 2022

If they want to pay fines all good.

But they probably don't have jobs let alone a bank account.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
40. Golf courses getting watered while 100 villages
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:19 AM
Aug 2022

don’t have enough drinking water. That prioritization is screwed up.

Sky Jewels

(7,096 posts)
51. This
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:18 PM
Aug 2022

All for a stupid game played by [redacted] in stupid clothing.

Golf sucks on many levels. I hope it dies out completely.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
41. nothing but a little plastic $5 cup is destroyed
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:20 AM
Aug 2022

and it's something golf courses think nothing of throwing away anyway.

Sure it's vandalism and they didn't have a 'right to do it', but it's really pretty minor.

Guarantee it was a lot cheaper to fix than it was cleaning the spray paint off the Federal Building in Portland back in 2020.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
42. OK
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:25 AM
Aug 2022

I will come in and destroy something of yours worth just $5

Several times a day.

Sounds like you will be alright with that.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
48. No, It's Not
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 11:33 AM
Aug 2022

Over 75% of regularly playing golfers (in the US) have household incomes of 90k or less.
I don't care if you like golf, or don't, and I think we agree that the exemption for golf greens is shortsighted or the part of local government.
But, it's simply ancient history, & current myth, that golf is a rich person's game.

Conjuay

(1,385 posts)
10. Jobs? Bank accounts?
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:55 AM
Aug 2022

I'm sure they would prefer drinking water to golf courses.

And if that was intended to be snarky, it just made you come off as the 'wreck everything that doesn't bring me in a buck' capitalist the world hates.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
28. Classier than destroying someone else's property.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:05 AM
Aug 2022

Which should be fined or even get jail time.

I don't want some jerk punk destroying my stuff.

Ponietz

(2,971 posts)
32. What do the fish, butterflies, native plants and trees do?
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:40 AM
Aug 2022

They have no legal rights. They are ‘property’. The fine owed to them is incalculable and unpayable. That’s the problem with the common law—it’s all about ownership—and that golf course is probably owned by an inchoate corporate entity, anyway. There’s a new paradigm.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
33. Just so you know they move the holes around on golf greens all the time
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:43 AM
Aug 2022

Making a new hole takes one person like 15 minutes and requires maybe $5 worth of materials.

Emile

(22,751 posts)
35. Did they pour wet cement into the holes or dry cement.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:48 AM
Aug 2022

It takes water to harden cement. If the golf course watered the green and the dry powdered cement got wet, who is at fault?

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
5. Golf courses will need to adapt and find climate friendly alternatives.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 05:53 AM
Aug 2022

I think it is a long boring game, but many people seem to enjoy it.

Recreation should be one of the first water sources shut off.
Including water parks and public and private pools.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
6. Indeed! 👍
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:01 AM
Aug 2022

Growing enough food for people and animals is more important than any form of recreation.



canetoad

(17,160 posts)
11. Unlike golf
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 06:56 AM
Aug 2022

Pools and water parks are mostly patronized by inner suburban reisdents. That is, those who do not have access to beaches, lakes, GOLF COURSES, etc.

Priorities, pet. As we say in Australia.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
27. It is still a huge waste of water.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:02 AM
Aug 2022

Many things are going to need a shift in thinking in probably the next decade or so.

Waterscape fountain decorations, too. They loose a lot of water through evaporation.

jimfields33

(15,803 posts)
36. Doesn't matter where the pools are located. They are a waste of water
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 09:34 AM
Aug 2022

Close them down at least all outside pools. Eventually we will have to ban pools at peoples homes as well. It’s not worth the destructive water waste. We’re In a water emergency and unnecessary pools must go.

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
47. "We're In a water emergency and unnecessary pools must go."
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 11:10 AM
Aug 2022

Depending where you live, eight billion gallons of water flow from Florida's springs each day. Most flows into the ocean to become saltwater.

BumRushDaShow

(129,004 posts)
15. "This does nothing"
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:15 AM
Aug 2022

It actually "made the news" and we are reading about it from thousands of miles away, so it definitely did not do "nothing".

BumRushDaShow

(129,004 posts)
30. But you actually clicked on the link and read that this happened
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:34 AM
Aug 2022

(which was probably the main goal here)

BumRushDaShow

(129,004 posts)
34. But it spurs discussion and brings it to the attention of the elected officials there
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 08:47 AM
Aug 2022

to make a change in the "exemptions".

This thing about golf courses has been an on-going issue for decades even here in the U.S. - particularly during times when the course is in a drought area.

Some solutions have been proffered over the years including having the courses watered via underground soakers vs sprinklers where there is more waste and runoff.

But otherwise, when you are demanding that people conserve water yet the water usage at a private facility has no such restriction, then you are going to set yourself up for some backlash, and certainly these concrete plugs are minor when someone can simply drive one of those Ukraine tractors across the place and tear up all the sod, and that's the end of that.

Marthe48

(16,960 posts)
19. Large lawns are an ecological nightmare
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:26 AM
Aug 2022

Whether a golf course, or 2 acres of grass around a 3 br home, the ground could be better used for trees, gardens, or left alone.

mopinko

(70,104 posts)
20. i applaud this act of monkey wrenching.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 07:26 AM
Aug 2022

maybe we should bring that back.
the 1st 'ecoterrorist' that i am aware came form my hometown. the fox, after the river.
he once took a couple 5 gal buckets of effluent from a. u.s. steel plant, somehow got into the ceo's office, and dumped them all over his white shag carpet.
he also used cement to plug up outflows from a soap plant. armor/dial.

the fox is now clean enough for recreation, and has bald eagles all along it's course.
no one ever got hurt, like these guys he made the papers.
some clever stunts like this might help move the ball.

CoopersDad

(2,193 posts)
44. Tragedy of the commons. Golf Course property using the peoples water.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 10:31 AM
Aug 2022

I reject any arguments that the golf course property is somehow sacrosanct because it's a group or business's "property".

"Property" should neither conceptually nor actually confer rights to groundwater, which should be treated as a public commons and managed as a commodity held in the public trust.

Carving out an exclusion for the golf courses needs to be rejected, and sometimes there needs to be consequences.

hunter

(38,312 posts)
49. Here in the U.S.A. whoever drills the deepest well gets the water...
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:14 PM
Aug 2022

... even if entire towns go dry.

This goes on until the deepest wells go dry.

I don't know about France, but in California it's not the golf courses that are the biggest problem. I'd say it's the dairy industry, and in some places, the vineyards. But nobody wants to talk about that. Those industries are sacred.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
52. Does the "activism" have some kind of democratic validity?
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:24 PM
Aug 2022

Activists who elect themselves to action are a curse. All they do is harm the cause of uniting to fight climate change. I mean, who voted for these folks to do what they did?

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