Jared got 2 billion dollars. What did the Saudis get? (Here comes the judge!)

[skip fox]

Mohammed bin Salman gave Jared, despite his qualifications, two billion dollars to invest. Did the Saudi crown prince get secrets in exchange?

Sometimes two plus two equals four.

Here's my theory:

Jared, maybe believing he's conducting a regular business deal, receives $2,000,000,000 to invest. But he gets suspicious and soon realizes (through conversations, incidents, and/or consideration) that the money was in compensation for receiving top secret information from his father-in-law. Maybe about Israeli nuclear capabilities; maybe about Saudi informants; maybe about CIA infiltration into Saudi interests, etc.

When he realizes this, shortly after Trump leaves the WH, he and Ivanka begin distancing themselves from Trump, feeling used and put at great risk. (The distancing was reported at the time.)

Through intercepts or human intelligence, the FBI/CIA find out about the top secret material given to SA, and (putting two and two together) go to Jared/Ivanka and tell them to cooperate or be charged with selling US secrets.

Jared and Ivanka cooperate by giving more information about the boxes of documents and where the boxes are.

This means they have flipped on Trump to save their hides and will continue to do so. They have probably even agreed to testify against Trump in court. After all, their legal risk is enormous.

(Of course Jared could have known all along and only became frightened later, when the FBI came to him with their investigation. At any rate he is at GREAT legal risk and will cooperate with authorities from here on out.)

[machoneman]

1. Good analysis by connecting the dots. Be most of it is true.

[BlueGreenLady]

2. Some days it's hard to tell

if it's the truth or it's Tom Clancy.

[COL Mustard]

32. I read an account that Clancy, after he wrote "The Hunt for Red October"

Was called by an admiral at the Pentagon and was told "If you worked here you would be fired. This stuff is all secret. How did you find it out?"

Clancy had done his homework and used the open source documentation that was available even back then. He knew his stuff, but he turned obnoxious later in life. He would have been embarrassed to write a novel with this plotline.

[GreenWave]

3. What they should worry about

is how many holes remain without burial sites on that golf course?

[skip fox]

4. Family Plot beside Hole One.

Has a nice ring.

[dchill]

41. As long as you don't mind being buried...

...beside Hole #1!

[Mme. Defarge]

36. Question -

Will Ivana have to be disinterred if Trump has to forfeit his golf course along with his other properties due to SDNY’s ruling against him?

[pandr32]

42. I hope so.

Maybe she's not even in there. He might have had her cremated and flushed her down the toilet. He likes to flush things down the toilet.

[Mme. Defarge]

45. Then maybe another search warrant is needed

to find out what’s really buried there.

[cachukis]

5. Good supposition.

There are so many possibilities, but yours has connected dots. Jared was handled a peacemakers badge despite no security clearance from the pros. He responds with his business acumen which is to create a win win. People under his auspices surreptitiously do TFG'S business.
He's thrilled to be so good at this that he overlooks the subterfuge.
Maybe he realizes his complicity exposes his shortcomings and tries to slink away.
If nothing else, a vignette in a big story.

[Irish_Dem]

6. Agree w/ Jared knew all along exactly what he was doing, and flipped on Trump to save his own skin.

It is a good guess for sure and coincides with my own theory.

The FBI squeezes the lower level crooks to finger the ring leader.

Kushner has been a slimy bastard since day one. He was the one who right away was intent on monetizing Trump's support.

I believe Kushner was the bag man or money man from the second they stepped over the WH threshold.

Kushner along with others like Mike Flynn were busy looking for all kinds of "deals."

They would tell Trump what classified docs to get, Trump would have no idea on his own.
Trump would take the docs to his private residence and pass them to Kushner who handed them to the field operatives like Flynn.

Kushner and Trump were like kids in a candy shop, shoveling as much candy as they could into their mouths.

They knew that no one would come after them. The presidency was immune from any legal consequences. And they quickly became aware of the Wash DC tradition of covering up for presidents who commit crimes or screw up.

They must have been shocked when the FBI started asking questions. Kushner must have been afraid about his liability and began to squeal. Hence all the talk about Ivanka and Jared separating from Trump.

The facts support this theory, but there are a lot of moving parts right now and time will tell as more facts come to light.

[tblue37]

29. Remember the reports that Jared was the person in the WH who requested the most

intel. No one else came close.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Thanks! I didn't hear this but am not surprised. It fits right into the theory for sure.

Also Kushner could not get top secret clearance and Trump insisted he get it even though he was a bad risk. Now we know why.

[Buckeyeblue]

7. Seems plausible. Because I think the two of them would do anything to avoid prison.

Mainly because the Trump family acted as if they didn't really understand the complexity of our intelligence community. It doesn't surprise me that they were sloppy with how they exposed secrets.

It's hard to say if Jared knew the $2B was part of a payment for goods received or if he wasn't in on that deal and thought it was an honest business transaction.

But what I want to know is what happens to the $2B? Does he just get to keep it in exchange for flipping?

[MLAA]

8. Conceivable except

I think Jared would have to have been a willing participant. TFG couldn’t stand for Jared and even his precious Ivanka to receive $2B and be wealthier than he is. So I think for this scenario to work TFG made it clear who got how much of the take. This doesn’t preclude Jared from getting scared after the fact and blaming it all on TFG when it became public TGF was hoarding documents in his basement.

[robbob]

14. Exactly! What does tRump get out of it

unless Jarred is in on the deal? I don’t care how much daddy lusts after his little girl, he isn’t doing favours for anybody without getting at least 50%.

[MLAA]

15. Remember it's TFG we are talking about...at least 75% 😬

[skip fox]

16. Laundrying money through Jared.

It's for Jared's investment company and Trump knows how run a company (into the ground).

[robbob]

19. Reminds me of that Sopranos episode

Where that poor schmuck with the gambling problem ends up turning his sons new SUV and the running of his sporting goods store over to Tony, who runs it into the ground and walks away with the money.

TDFG may have run several businesses into the ground, including casinos, but I’m sure he always walked away richer. He’s nothing but a cheap mobster.

[LiberalFighter]

55. TFG would had put a stop to it if he didn't get anything out of it.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. At this point in time this is as plausible as anything else out there.

[Jarqui]

10. What if this all got done in Trump's last month and

Trump issued blanket pardons to Jared & Ivanka and himself.

Trump pardoning himself is iffy.
Trump doing what he's done with the classified material since he left office isn't covered by a pardon.

If Jared got the secrets to Saudi Arabia by Jan 20, 2021 and collected the dough, if Trump gave him a pardon effective Jan 20, 2021, that could be an impossible one to prosecute. Guy could get off scot-free after committing the biggest act of treason in the history of the country. Whether he gets to keep the money ... that might be a bigger question.

[skip fox]

11. No pardons before charges, as I understand it.

Could be wrong.

[empedocles]

12. Be interesting to know where kushner put the $2 billion - and where it is now.

'Follow the money'

[Jarqui]

13. Not exactly how it works

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/01/17/presidential-pardons-settled-law-unsettled-issues-and-a-downside-for-trump/

The president can tell a thief not to worry about being convicted for the crime he has committed yesterday because he has pardoned him. But a pardon today cannot forgive a crime the thief commits tomorrow.

[Emile]

17. A pardon would be admitting a crime was committed.

[Jarqui]

20. Yes

But with a pardon, it doesn't matter much

[Emile]

21. Only one thing, Trump couldn't pardon himself.

[Jarqui]

22. He can. Whether it would hold up is very questionable.

But it would be something more for him to drag it out.

[Emile]

23. I'm no expert, but I heard many on MSNBC say

that he cannot pardon himself.

[Jarqui]

26. This discussion below suggests he technically could

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-pardon-explainer-idUSKBN29L0D4

BUT it is very questionable that it would hold up legally.

It's never been done.
It's never been considered in a court of law for a President.
As nothing is guaranteed in law, there is not 100% certainty he couldn't get away with it or maybe drag things out.
Based on case law, the basic principle that nobody should be the judge in his or her own case is strongly against it. But Trump could take it through the courts to the Supreme Court.

Trump is not getting any younger. Dragging things out might be a positive course of action for him (and probably bad for the rest of the country as if he cares about that ...).

[thesquanderer]

47. A pardon is not necessarily an admission of guilt,

for example see https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/ex-soldiers-acceptance-trump-pardon-didnt-constitute-confession-guilt-court-2021-09-23/

[Emile]

57. I read it, but I think it's crazy. If the person is innocent,

there's no reason for a pardon.

[FakeNoose]

18. It would have been easy, if anyone was watching Jared at the time

Nobody was, because we were all distracted by his crazy father-in-law.

Maybe Jared flew to Saudi in early January with - say, 2 or 3 heavy large suitcases. Then he flew back on the return flight carrying a slim briefcase, no checked bags, and a big smile on his face.

But nobody was watching him, and the U.S. Capitol was being attacked.

[Justice matters.]

31. There are NSA wiretaps on communications between SA and USA...

From outside in and inside out of borders.

The NSA can tap any communication going out and coming in.

Moreso since 911.

[skip fox]

33. It might not be Jared who physically transferred the documents.

There are dozens of other ways.

I'm just looking at the quid pro quo.


The Saudis receive the info by whatever means and Jared receives a supposedly honest contact.

[Higherarky]

49. The data content of 2 or 3 heavy large suitcases

could easily be transferred to a few flash/thumb drives.
10110001 ...

[FakeNoose]

50. Yes I suggested the same a few days ago

Someone on DU (who's probably smarter than I am) said that anyone who buys information would have insisted on the actual sheets of paper. Not scans of them or digital copies of them. So it means handing the paper over in person and getting the QPQ in return.

Jared Kushner took more solo trips out of the country during Chump's term than anyone else I know of. For example, he went to Israel, UAE, and Saudi frequently and met with gov't officials and security professionals. He had plenty of chances to give away (or sell) our secrets to the highest bidder. However it became an emergency once he realized that Chump was leaving office on January 20th, 2021.

[Higherarky]

53. Ah, so! Thanx 4 the info.

I hope you're enjoying a pleasant Sunday.

[PCIntern]

24. Excellent post

Quite possibly the truth

[sarcasmo]

25. Don't forget, the Saudi's gave Mnuchin a billion dollars.

https://www.axios.com/2022/04/11/trump-saudi-kushner-mnuchin

[gab13by13]

27. Trump has done this before.

He laundered money through a Trump Tower in Baku, Azerbaijan, that was never opened for business, never had an access road built to it, even laundered money for the Iranian Republican Guard. Trump had Ivanka put her name on the project, she even did a commercial selling the place, except instead of the commercial being from the Trump Tower it was done from a different hotel.

Ivanka and Jared are just as dirty as daddy but yes daddy uses them to keep his hands clean.

[ashredux]

28. There was an article posted yesterday, and it wasn't from a source I'm unfamiliar with, but.....

The article said that Ivanka was pulling away from the family business and her brothers, and she would no longer be campaigning for her dad. She wanted to devote more time to her family.

I cannot support the source of this, but a lot of stuff appears to be starting to fall into place.

[Justice matters.]

35. She had to testify in Tish James' probe of the Drumph Org.

She wants out. She's had enough troubles with the J6 committee already.

AND she saw where the orange mob boss buried her mother...

[ToxMarz]

34. I doubt the $2 billion was compensation or a payment for specific services

More likely it is a tether to keep them on the hook and in their service. The money was for them to 'invest' on behalf of the Saudis, I'm sure the money is still the Saudi's and that Trump/Kushners remain on the hook for it. I don't see it so much a correlation that they did this for that. More what is the totality of their ongoing relationship and how does that portend future behaviors/threats.

As disgusting as it is, it would seem better if it was a straight payment for services rendered, as the contract would be fulfilled and they could walk away. As it is they are indebted and in their service.

[skip fox]

37. It's the commisssions and service charges on the 2 billion that can, with talented hands

add up to a billion or more.

[ashredux]

38. Jared is going to be charging a fee on the "investment" at 2%, do the math

[llashram]

39. I do hope

you are right about all this...

[joanbarnes]

40. good analysis except for the flaw in attributing any good characteristic to Jarvanka.

[gab13by13]

44. Bingo,

I laughed when people say that Trump is fleeing the country but Jarvanka may do that. I hear where they live now the neighbors don't care for them.

[bringthePaine]

43. spineless family crimers lack sufficient socio/psychopathy to undo cowardice?

[Lonestarblue]

46. Certainly a plausible scenario.

But Jared and Ivanka may be in jeopardy from someone other than the DOJ. MBS has a history of doing away with people who cross him. The question is what MBS is getting for his $2 billion and whether Jared/Ivanka have jeopardized that.

There is little familial love in either the Trump or Kushner families so I can believe that either or both of them are the snitches. As a reminder, Jared’s father was sent to prison for tax evasion and other crimes. When Kushner Sr. found out that his sister’s husband was cooperating with the Feds against him, he hired a sex worker to seduce his brother-in-law, taped them, and sent the tape to his sister to blackmail them into silence. Nice guy. Trump and Kushner Sr. are in effect mob bosses.

And of course we know Trump’s preoccupation is only with himself. I am cautiously optimistic that he may actually be held a countable for something, but I’ll believe it when he is handed an indictment and his passport is confiscated. Of course that would not prevent him leaving the country. Private planes are in and out of Palm Beach all the time.

[Sogo]

48. Plausible, for sure....

[leftyladyfrommo]

51. Really. That's the big question. Follow the Money.with the Trumps

it's always the money.

[Lucinda]

52. i think part of th 2 B was payment for the info Jared passed

about MBS's family. He made major moves then against his relatives...

[LiberalFighter]

54. So Jared thinks he was doing a regular deal because it had nothing to do with TFG.

Not likely. If he did. Very stupid.

[AntiFascist]

56. This could be a continuation of the investigation of whistleblower reports by Congress in 2019...

Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with Trump Administration’s Efforts to Transfer Sensitive Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia

Prepared for Chairman Elijah E. Cummings
Interim Staff Report
Committee on Oversight and Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
February 2019

This interim staff report was prepared for Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the Chairman of the
Committee on Oversight and Reform, after multiple whistleblowers came forward to warn about
efforts inside the White House to rush the transfer of highly sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to
Saudi Arabia in potential violation of the Atomic Energy Act and without review by Congress as
required by law—efforts that may be ongoing to this day

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf