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Mary Trump said she thinks the person who may have given the FBI information about documents held at Mar-a-Lago by her uncle, former President Donald Trump, could be Jared Kushner.
She made the comments during a radio interview on Friday with The Dean Obeidallah Show. The host asked her who she thinks could be the "Mar-a-Lago mole" after reports said the FBI was tipped off by an informant close to the former president.
"We need to start with who would have access to this stuff. I don't think Mark Meadows would have access to it," Mary Trump began, dismissing the former chief of staff.
"I think we need to look very hard at why Jared got $2 billion," she said, referring to an investment into Kushner's private equity firm by a fund led by Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. "We need to look very hard at why he has been so quiet for so many months now."
https://www.businessinsider.com/mary-trump-jared-kushner-mar-a-lago-mole-fbi-informant-2022-8
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)That was reason for the search.
Anyone else hear this?
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roamer65
(36,745 posts)Im guessing they picked up intel that they were hitting the open market.
Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)I don't think he's the informant, I think he's the mastermind of marketing the documents.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,971 posts)He's hand-in-thobe with MBS.
chowder66
(9,070 posts)WestMichRad
(1,322 posts)He didnt get that $2 bil from MBS for nuthin.
wnylib
(21,466 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,080 posts)To save his own skin.
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)the Saudis have been desperate to obtain nuclear technology to counter the threat of an Iranian nuclear attack.
The House Oversight Committee began investigating whistleblower complaints in 2019 that Trump was rushing to provide Saudis with nuclear technology handed to him by Michael Flynn, circumventing national security protocols.
o Mr. Barracks investment firm, Colony NorthStar, reportedly developed a plan to
profit off its connections to the incoming administration and foreign dignitaries and
documented the plan in a confidential February 2017 memo authored by Rick Gates.
Some of these key connections were invited to a January 17, 2017, inaugural event
organized by Mr. Barrack, including the United Arab Emirates ambassador to the
United States and the foreign ministers from Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United
Arab Emirates. The list appears to indicate that the foreign ministers from Qatar,
Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates were associated with General Flynn.11
o Colony NorthStars memorandum proposed establishing a combined international
government and business team that would provide unparalleled convening power in
Washington, DC and around the globe, including by convening roundtables
between Ambassadors and members of the Administration to cultivate relationships
with a targeted focus and tying Colony NorthStar projects into international
bilateral meetings already occurring with key members of the Trump
Administration. The memo represented that Colony NorthStar already had a
pipeline of potential projects and that the firms employees had already made contact
with several of the key agencies that will direct those efforts. It concluded, There
are other groups forming but none that can currently match the relationships or
resources that we possess.12
It's all spelled out in this report:
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)involved. Not only in J6, but in much mischief before and during the administration from hell.
Kid Berwyn
(14,904 posts)The Cambridge Spy Scandal That Haunts Britain
Spyscape
US confidence in British intelligence nosedived during the Cold War after a ring of Cambridge University-educated spies working for the British government smuggled intelligence to the KGB.
The furor erupted when Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean - two of the so-called Cambridge Five - disappeared in 1951. They had defected and later resurfaced in Moscow. Both were hopeless drunks, unstable and promiscuous characters whod been appointed to top jobs in London and at the British Embassy in Washington, DC.
The embassy reported back that the international incident had severely shaken the State Department's confidence in the integrity of officials of the Foreign Office".
The Americans pointed out that drunkenness, recurrent nervous breakdowns, sexual deviations and other human frailties were considered security hazards and dismissible offenses, and that Britain should clean house regardless of whom may be hurt, according to declassified papers released by Britains National Archives.
Snip
Philby had worked closely with James Jesus Angleton, CIA chief of counterintelligence, and the Brit liaised with the FBI at a time when director J. Edgar Hoover was convinced Soviet spies were everywhere. Philby had also been briefed on Washingtons Venona project, a program to decrypt top-secret messages transmitted by Soviet Union intelligence agencies including the KGB.
Philby is suspected of tipping off Maclean and Burgess, telling them their covers were blown, but remarkably Philby continued to operate for more than a decade before Philby too defected to Moscow in 1963.
Continues
https://spyscape.com/article/the-cambridge-spy-scandal-that-haunts-britain
no_hypocrisy
(46,112 posts)But to be fair, I think it was his father, Charles Kushner's idea. It has his pattern.
(Charles Kushner set up his brother-in-law/his sister's husband with a prostitute in a motel in Jersey, got photos, and sent them to his sister. It was in retaliation for his BIL testifying against him for tax evasion. Ironically federal prosecutor, Chris Christie, was the one who obtained the conviction and imprisonment of Kushner.)
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,242 posts)Jarqui
(10,125 posts)he might have cut himself and his wife an immunity deal ...
Combined with a probable blanket pardon, they could be in a pretty safe place (ignoring some MAGAts who would like to do them in ..)
Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)if Biden pardons anybody involved in this shit with all the evidence the DOJ has.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)I never will.
wnylib
(21,466 posts)about Jared's $2 billion Saudi deal and investigated what Kushner provided the Saudi Prince for that kind of money.
In that case, if already caught or under great pressure, Kushner might have admitted to selling documents or info from the documents.
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Jarqui
(10,125 posts)I wish parts of it were true.
The part that would bug me is if he got to keep the $.
Why not take off to some place where there is no extradition.
There may be places in the world where he can put that money where it can't be touched (maybe if they don't make a legal claim within 2 years).
They have to know that Trump's organization is in trouble in NY.
Trump is in trouble on many fronts.
Why go down with the sinking ship?
wnylib
(21,466 posts)It's the only way that I could see Kushner as the informant, but it still doesn't sound right to me.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)although the House Oversight Committee did launch an investigation into it in June.
Where Kushner may have been caught by the FBI, and this is pure speculation, was in passing nuclear technology to the Saudis on behalf of the Trump Admin. If Homeland Security found out that Saudis were in possession of top secret nuclear info (see my 'this is purely speculative' post above) then the FBI may have wanted to search Mar a Lago to find the original docs.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)There is a lot of intelligence all over the world.
A bunch of it feeds back to the US.
If copies of any of these documents make their way back to the US, Trump is in deeper trouble.
Many of these docs are stamped and noted - which is bound to be unique.
Maybe they'll have digital fingerprints ...
And there is chatter ...
I'm not in intelligence. But those are not folks I would want to be messing with.
This was a pretty serious step they took.
Things happen for a reason.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)the Espionage Act code cited in the search warrant does include communication or transmission of classified info.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)I suppose rightly so.
I think there are some very smart and experienced people behind what has transpired with and at DoJ, FBI and National Security.
Other violations of the law may well be on the table and probably are.
TRUMPS TIMID (NON-LEGAL) COMPLAINTS ABOUT ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/08/14/trump-claims-the-ssa-receipt-includes-privileged-materials/
In other words, aside from the documents Trump tried to rip up or eat or flush, many of Trumps known violations of 18 USC 1519 would involve lawyers directly. Virtually every investigation into Trump was stymied by improper decisions by lawyers. And those withheld documents would once have been privileged, but theyd also be solid proof of obstruction.
And if Trump had reason to believe that DOJ, after predicating an investigation on all the evidence Trump had tried to rip up or eat or flush evidence, had sought and seized all the attorney-client protected materials that had insulated Trump from consequences for his past actions, it might explain one of the biggest puzzles from the last week. For some reason, Trump has worked far harder to obscure that this obstruction investigation exists than that hes under investigation for a crime with the word Espionage in the title. For some reason, Trump is more afraid of the obstruction investigation than the Espionage Act investigation.
One possible explanation for that is that he fears the other secrets hes been keeping more than proof that he stole a bunch of otherwise innocuous Top Secret documents.
Attorney client privilege disappears if they are for example obstructing justice or a crime committed ...
Mueller felt Trump obstructed him but he couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
With Trump claiming attorney-client privilege, this could explain why Trump hung on to these documents.
Trump was consumed with overturning the election.
After Jan 6th, it became apparent, he wasn't going to pull that off.
There are reports of Trump scrambling and packing a bunch of these documents himself in the last 2 weeks.
No witnesses ...
So the National Archives comes along.
They're going thru Trump's docs
They see references to an attachment or a report, document or an email, etc
And they try to find that but can't.
So they go to Trump's people to try to get it.
It's hard for Trump to just throw everything out because there's too much - too many links in docs they already have
He can't do it quickly because they have to go through it and think it through.
So he evades it - probably not taking them very seriously because it is just the National Archives.
He sends the National Archives 25% of what he's got hoping that will satisfy them
But they find classified docs in the 15 boxes he sends which sets off other alarms.
They still don't have all the missing docs
And the 15 boxes probably provide more leads for missing docs.
DoJ gets called in. FBI. Intelligence community gets plugged in.
Now, it is much tougher to fool them.
Allegedly, there is CCTV showing boxes being moved just before DoJ comes to Mar-a-lago in June - presumably to hide them ..
The rest, as they say, is history.
There may be stuff relating to passing secrets to the Russians or extorting the Ukraine or obstruction of justice with Mueller for example. This could blow up real good.
As I mentioned before, things happen for a reason ...
Trump is doing this for a reason and it probably isn't a good one and they may have just found out why.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)to release the nuclear technologies to his autocratic buddies and let the chips fall where they may.
However, he didn't realize the idiosyncrasies of the Middle East, and that is where Jared Kushner came in.
The relationships between Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, Iran, China, etc, etc, had to be finessed.
The established democratically way of seeing things was a no go, because that represented the "Deep State".
Therefore...
the rest remains to be seen.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)He's quite simplistic.
He wouldn't 'release' anything. He'd sell it.
If he sold it such that the US was going to benefit - there are a whole bunch of processes and people who would have to sign off on that.
The fact we didn't hear about it is probably not good news for him.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)and the deals worked out with SA and other Arab nations were so lucrative that he was willing to bypass US national security.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)If emptywheel is correct on how they split up the manifests - into attorney-client and obstruction (or however he described it), that suggests that the DoJ had a bunch of this figured out before they showed up.
Because they went through everything in about 8 hours and segregated it accordingly.
So they knew where this might be heading before they arrived and/or confirmed it shortly after they got there.
They may have had other surveillance (ie National Security) spying on him or wire taping.
You do not get a search warrant on a former President for a misdemeanor.
There is more going on here than we realize. And the DoJ seem to know it.
I think Trump is in very deep trouble here. This could blow up on him.
twodogsbarking
(9,750 posts)ultralite001
(894 posts)no matter the deals he makes...
Curious to learn more about the Kushner ménage à trois: JK, Tom Barrack, and Rick Perry...
Their ties to the Middle East need to be thoroughly and completely sussed...
KS Toronado
(17,235 posts)You know just to keep him off balance so he'll lash out at Jared ?
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,806 posts)Jared; Loved (tolerated) in the right wing sphere as long as he is useful and profitable. When things go bad, it will become blame the Jew.
Breitbart had to be told by Trump to cut back on criticizing Jared.
mgardener
(1,816 posts)And Trump had to intervene?
I wonder why they could not get the clearance.
And why Jared was given 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's.
And why Qutar bailed out his real estate loan..
EnergizedLib
(1,895 posts)I for one am more saddened and outraged somebody snitched on Anne Frank and her family 80-some years ago, not that somebody ratted out a criminal for who he is.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)I think she is the one who got sick of him and threw him under the bus.