What Really Surprises Me And Blows My Mind Re: TFG - Is.....

[global1]

that any veteran that served our country - supports him.

I can't get my head around that.

[rubbersole]

1. Or any real republican.

WTF? Name one thing moral/conservative that he has done. It's just one big grievance "woe is me" fest.

[NullTuples]

16. Party values change over time. Republican is as Republican does.

This wasn't sudden, it's been a progression since WWII.

[Skittles]

2. I don't get it either

the man is a fascist dictator-wannabe

[gibraltar72]

3. It is a religion.

[Grasswire2]

4. FOX on military installations 24/7

Hate AM radio

[OldBaldy1701E]

5. I don't try to...

I do not like headaches.

[orleans]

6. trump talks like a bitching hard-ass/bully

and the douche bag hard-ass wanna-bes are drawn to him like flies to shit

(yes, because the whiney bone-spurs multiple deferments because he had a headache and his tummy hurt idiot who had to have his sister do his fucking homework is the role-model for morons galore )

[Martin68]

7. Exactly. Trump disparaged the military up and down. I believe a significant number of service

members did figure out the score, but many others are still blind followers of the Trump.

[machoneman]

8. Or any woman? Any one gay? Any minority? Anyone with a brain? Bogles my mind too.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. Honestly, doesn't surprise me any more than it does for ANY citizen.

[bluestarone]

10. Not all, but you're right most do.

The saying is GOD GUNS and the BIBLE i guess! UNEXPLAINABLE to me as well.RETHUGS shit on veterans, and they still support this fucker!

[Tree Lady]

11. I think its Trump only for his cult

For the rest its a huge "R", and it means something different to each part of the party, religion, money, privatization, no taxes, guns...

He is only means to a end for most of them. And he has done such a great job with Fox about how facts aren't facts that when I mention to any republicans about him they say the media lies about him all the time. Very exasperating!

[AnrothElf]

12. You have erroneously assumed that everyone joins the military...

... for good reasons. My experience has been mostly the opposite. Some join for good reasons. Most join for the supposed benefits. And some join to "stack bodies"...

Let's not get all jingoistic like Republicans do and pretend soldiers, and veterans, aren't sometimes complete scum

[GB_RN]

13. I Heard A Vet Say...

“No real tRump supporter would have attacked cops [on 1/6]. They were antifa or something.”

Those people have drunk the coolaid.

[lunatica]

19. I would have responded with this question,

You mean the antifa who are actually anti fascists? That group?

[GB_RN]

22. I Was A Bit Stunned...

And it was in a situation where I didn't/want need to cause any drama, either. But believe me, I wanted to say something...

[lunatica]

24. I know what you mean

It’s that moment when it feels like your brain es exploding like all of your synapses are firing at the same time.

[Wednesdays]

32. The antifa who tRump said on January 6,

"Go home, we love you..." ?

[calimary]

33. Indeed. The same "Antifa" that violently invaded the Capitol,

stole stuff, ransacked Congressional offices for at least two hours? The same “Antifa” that trump finally told they could go home now - with a “youovery special and we love you”?

That “Antifa”?



I still don’t know what an “Antifa” is. After all this time and observation and attempted study.

Maybe it’s some term for a glorified ant infestation. They do invade in crowd formation.

[lunatica]

38. It means anti fascists

A group that was against Trump. They included themselves in early anti Trump marches and were soon being blamed for any violence that happened. Especially by Trump and especially if any of his followers were involved.

[Warpy]

14. Rigidly hierarchical thinkers

who see every interaction around them as following a chain of command and if it doesn't, it needs to. Authoritarian figures appeal to people like that and you do find people like that in the military. People who serve with or under them generally hate their guts, but they're out there.

[LymphocyteLover]

15. the educated officer class is mostly against him though

certainly anyone who deals with classified documents should be

[CRK7376]

18. This Veteran

Has never and will never support or vote for that abortion of a human being.

[Joinfortmill]

20. Me too.! But vets can be bigots and sexist, etc

[Jarqui]

21. I still believe that majority of Americans, including MAGAts,

if they know all the true facts about an issue
will be on the side of right (correct if you will) the vast majority of the time.

Maybe I'm naïve.

I think a big problem is there are a lot of Americans who are not getting "all the true facts about an issue"

That in part, comes down to the media and who controls it (90+% of US media is controlled by six corporations)
In part, there is an increasing tolerance for lying among the leaders
In part, it is a failure of the education system
In part, it has been affected by social media becoming an unreliable source that people accept

There are others who could express it better or add other factors.

I still believe in the basic goodness within most Americans.
But to see that, you have to tell them the truth and give them all the facts.
For a long time, that has not been happening like it used to.

[Evolve Dammit]

23. truly amazing. Although Armed Forces radio carried Limbaugh for decades, who hated Dems, libs

and loved the Orange one. It was four decades of brainwashing, combined with Faux News

[Puppyjive]

25. This veteran despises him

So many of my veteran friends have fallen for his bullshit. We all know how to handle top secret documents. I don't think they can spin their way out the latest. They know better. They fell for propaganda. I learned about propaganda in the military. They all know about Hanoi Jane. The military service needs a complete overhaul. I can understand the lower ranks falling for bullshit, but not the officers.

[70sEraVet]

26. I know. I can't understand it either. My best buddy from my Navy days can't stand him either

But it seems like all the rest st of our old shipmates are full-blown into the Orange Scumbag (Enemy-Agent-Orange).
Did somebody convince our military personnel that their real enemy was American Liberals?

[GarColga]

27. As a veteran, I can testify

that the percentage of service members and veterans who are idiots is probably a bit greater than it is in the general population.

[DENVERPOPS]

28. Or

For that matter, ANY minority, any rainbow crowd, etc etc etc

[Hassler]

29. Our country has a large 6 (enneagram) population. 6s are often fear based

A "strong" leader like Chump appeals to their fears.

[Doc_Technical]

35. This is what I love about this site

There many people here who are far more intelligent
and better educated than I am.
Until now, I had never heard of enneagram.

So in spite of my best efforts, I've learned something today.

[pwb]

30. Any Veteran?

You are misinformed on this.

[global1]

39. I Believe You Misunderstood My Comment.....

Note - I didn't say 'every' veteran.

I said 'any' veteran.

What I mean by that is 'any person/veteran' that served our country.

A person that sacrificed their time - and potentially their life - for the U.S. - would support a person like Tr**p. Tr**p has no respect for them (veterans) and the sacrifice they made.

Why would any of them want to support such a person?

Now I know - that there are going to be people that will support Tr**p. That is their prerogative. I just don't understand their thinking.

I have relatives that lost their life (some limbs) in WWII fighting for our country. I had friends and classmates that were killed in VietNam - fighting for our country.

I know that some of those that lost their lives/limbs fought with - fellow soldiers - that now support Tr**p.

Again - I just don't understand their thinking.

What is it about that man (Tr**p) - that - they can believe all he says and overlook all of his criminal and treasonous acts? Why?

[IbogaProject]

31. Prescot Bush funded Hitler

Senator Prescot Bush, before office, funded Hitler with 50 Million Reich Marks to get the Nazi Party and their Brown Shirts funded. After the War and especially during the Eisenhower administration they brought a whole cohort of Nazi sympathizers, German Government functionaries and the like. I had a teacher in High School, who had come to america with his family straight into a Senate Page role at the age of 16. His Dad had been Admiral of the flag ship of the German Navy during WW2. There were many of them during the 1950s to rebuild the GOP and widen the Military Industrial Complex. Bush also laundered the ownership of the former IG Farbin, which became Von Theissen in combination with Krupps brothers and received a substantial kickback in 1952 oe 53, when the Assets exited Allied Occupation Custody. It's that generation's grandkids now, I have no idea how we clean up the emergent fascist group lurking within our nation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar?all=true

https://www.academia.edu/43699573/OLD_NAZIS_NEW_RIGHT_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_Evolving_Again

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2011/1/18/937125/-

https://newrepublic.com/article/81372/return-of-the-republican-party

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/633705.Old_Nazis_the_New_Right_and_the_Republican_Party

[Aristus]

34. Unfortunately, I knew a LOT of guys when I was in the Army who were bigoted, racist, misogynist,

hate-filled pricks. A lot of times, you can stay away from them, but when you share a tank with them, it's impossible. One just learns to keep one's mouth shut.

Two of the guys I served in the Gulf with back in 1991 turned out to be Trumpsters when we re-connected on Facebook. I dumped them pretty quickly.

[Upthevibe]

36. I can't recommend the book, Authoritarian Nightmare: Trump and His Followers,

enough! It's written by John Dean and Bob Altemeyer.

It really provides insight.

[Quanto Magnus]

37. Unfortunately

there's still racism and hate in the military just like across the US...


Blimp Limbaugh for decades on their radio...

Southern 'lost cause' people...

[Initech]

40. Minds brainwashed by Fox and AM radio.

The propaganda is a huge part of how we got here.

[Samrob]

41. Wrap it around this: There many racists among our military. Always has been. Always will be.

The bedrock fault in this nation is its racism and refusal to own up to its past.

[UTUSN]

42. K&R - or any minority member or Upstanding Citizen or historically disadvantaged group member

[lastlib]

43. Why does anything north of a one-cell amoeba support the pile of whaleshit?

Cosmic stupidity is the only reason I can come up with.

[kacekwl]

44. As with some politicians I'm sure

a lot of these soldiers never took their oath seriously.

[Blue Owl]

45. He literally, actually called them losers and suckers

Not to mention the GOP's platform-wide 'fuck you' to any sort of improved veteran's benefits or healthcare...

I don't get it either!!!

[spanone]

46. ...or any living human being.

[lark]

47. My best guess - testosterone poisoning.

Or as my sister used to say - it's the deviant y chromosome

[blueinredohio]

48. Some veterans stormed the capitol

so why wouldn't they support Trump?