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StarryNite

(9,446 posts)
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:24 PM Aug 2022

Saudi firm has pumped Arizona groundwater for years without paying.

Saudi firm has pumped Arizona groundwater for years without paying.
Time to pony up

Opinion: The State Land Department unlawfully allowed Fondomonte to pump unlimited amounts of groundwater at no cost. That must stop.
Bruce Babbitt and Robert Laneopinion contributors

In June, The Arizona Republic uncovered the story of how the State Land Department had recently handed over thousands of acres to a Saudi corporation called Fondomonte, giving it permission to pump unlimited amounts of groundwater to grow alfalfa hay for export to Saudi Arabia.

This tale of official misfeasance began in 2015 when the State Land Department began leasing land to Fondomonte at an annual rental of just $25 per acre.

~snip~

What should be done to clean up this scandal? First, Gov. Doug Ducey should instruct the State Land Department to void the lease and restore Butler Valley to its intended use as a groundwater reserve for the future.

Second, Gov. Ducey should instruct the attorney general to collect past due rentals of about $38 million to be held in trust for the benefit of Arizona school children.

more at link:

[link:https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2022/08/11/saudi-firm-fodomonte-pay-arizona-groundwater-use/10271103002/|

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Saudi firm has pumped Arizona groundwater for years without paying. (Original Post) StarryNite Aug 2022 OP
How could they afford to pay? FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #1
Also paid Jared 2 billion for gawd knows what. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #5
More importantly DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #12
Because the House of Saud is smart enought to make it illegal to pump water for cattle there Attilatheblond Jul 2023 #15
Who got paid under the table? Sneederbunk Aug 2022 #2
I know this is an AZ story but this is the kind of news the MSM should report on because people Samrob Aug 2022 #3
It's even worse than that grantcart Aug 2022 #4
For camels and race horses JCMach1 Aug 2022 #6
Inside Saudi company's sweet water deal in Arizona StarryNite Aug 2022 #7
Someone in AZ government decided to basically give away the state's groundwater. Wingus Dingus Aug 2022 #8
Perhaps the governing bodies in those localities are not as sympathetic to the Saudis. littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #11
Kick Nevilledog Aug 2022 #9
Bookmarking... can't get into this tonight. liberalla Aug 2022 #10
Kick dalton99a Aug 2022 #13
this is a thing. a way to export water mopinko Aug 2022 #14

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
1. How could they afford to pay?
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:27 PM
Aug 2022

They've only made a measly $88 billion off the recent oil price gouging . Mr BoneSaw is barely scraping by.



DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
12. More importantly
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:52 AM
Aug 2022

Is why the fuck would the Saudi's garden a crop of Alpha Hay half way around the world/????/

There has got to be a far bigger story to this than the water

Attilatheblond

(2,183 posts)
15. Because the House of Saud is smart enought to make it illegal to pump water for cattle there
Sun Jul 16, 2023, 10:51 AM
Jul 2023

They must be grinning ear to ear, knowing they are draining ancient aquifers in the southwest of eons of fossil water that won't be replaced until the poles shift or continents drift to the point that weather changes here in the SW.

Here's a WaPo link past their paywall on this topic.
https://wapo.st/3NSNRe7

Disclosure: I live pretty close to where a lot of water is going to feed cows in Arabia. Water level has dropped so much in the valley where Saudis are growing cow food to the point that local homeowners' wells are not deep enough and they cannot afford to drill down to where the water level is at present. Homes will be unusable and unsaleable, wiping out the security of many families and local farmers. It's been a HUGE issue where I live.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
3. I know this is an AZ story but this is the kind of news the MSM should report on because people
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:37 PM
Aug 2022

need to know what Republican governors do and how they hurt their own constituents.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
4. It's even worse than that
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:40 PM
Aug 2022

They are also draining an ancient subterranean lake

Oh and why can't SA use their land?

Because they already drained their ancient aquifers

StarryNite

(9,446 posts)
7. Inside Saudi company's sweet water deal in Arizona
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:56 PM
Aug 2022

Inside Saudi company’s sweet water deal in Arizona
Jun 12, 2022

The Arizona Republic’s Rob O’Dell explains why a Saudi Arabian company’s deal for Arizona water raises questions for taxpayers, water users, the Legislature and the governor.

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Wingus Dingus

(8,054 posts)
8. Someone in AZ government decided to basically give away the state's groundwater.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:14 AM
Aug 2022

Who arranged this deal with the Saudis? This is insane, in the hottest, most drought-stricken state in the country. Why use AZ groundwater for exported alfalfa, and not, say...Iowa? or Minnesota? Or anywhere with an adequate water supply?

littlemissmartypants

(22,689 posts)
11. Perhaps the governing bodies in those localities are not as sympathetic to the Saudis.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:46 AM
Aug 2022

Or maybe not as corrupt...?

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
14. this is a thing. a way to export water
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 04:36 AM
Aug 2022

in the form of high water use crops.
it's also a thing that some farmers are doing because if you dont use your whole water allotment, they cut it the next year. so they grown stuff like alfalfa.
that particular bit of stupid needs fixing.

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