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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 08:10 AM Aug 2022

A question about DoD clearances, politics and candidates.

Yankee White: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_White
...is an administrative nickname for a background check undertaken in the United States of America for Department of Defense personnel and contractor employees working with the president and vice president. Obtaining such clearance requires, in part, a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) which is conducted under the manuals of the U.S. Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency.

Individuals with Yankee White clearance undergo extensive background investigation. The Yankee White clearance includes requirements of U.S. citizenship and unquestionable loyalty to the United States.


Is it/should it be required of VP and Pres. candidate hopefuls to pass such an investigation before being accepted as candidates?

[ Looking at you 45. ]
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A question about DoD clearances, politics and candidates. (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 OP
Okay, so, who do you want to put in charge... Effete Snob Aug 2022 #1
There are already people in charge of deciding who can be President. Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #2
Well, that's just an excuse for disengagement Effete Snob Aug 2022 #3
It is for some people exactly. Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #4
I guess it is harder to get a clearance now. Dysfunctional Aug 2022 #5
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
1. Okay, so, who do you want to put in charge...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 08:18 AM
Aug 2022

Of deciding “who is allowed to be president?”

We go through this with folks wanting to put a psychiatrist in charge of deciding who can be president, and now some want some sort of background investigator in charge of deciding who can be president.

This is easy to understand - the moment we decide to put someone (or a group of someone’s) in charge of deciding who can be president, is the moment your vote no longer matters. Because from that moment on, the presidency is decided by that someone or group.

The idea is to avoid voting for insane and disloyal people.

If that doesn't make sense, then let's start from the ground up. Who is going to do this "background check" to decide who can be president? Do you want this to be some office in the Pentagon, say, the Defense Investigative Agency, so that someone in the current military decides who can run?

In other words, when Trump was President, would you have wanted him to be at the top of the chain of command over whomever runs the office that does the background checks to decide who is allowed to run against him in the next election?

Or, instead of a military or executive agency, do you want this to be done by a Congressionally-appointed committee of some kind? For example, would you have wanted the same people who ran umpteen Benghazi investigations hiring the people who are going to decide who can run for president?

It's just not a workable idea, and it stems from a feeling that we adopt as children, and which becomes hard to shake off later on - the idea that there are some "adults in charge" who have our collective best interests in mind. There simply aren't.

On top of that, there are people whose political beliefs are such that they don't think the government should have any secret information, and/or they believe that people who handle government information should be able to decide for themselves to publish it, leak it, or whatever. Certainly, folks like Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Reality Winner are charter members of the "it's okay when we do it" club, and historically have had a lot of support here.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. There are already people in charge of deciding who can be President.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 08:41 AM
Aug 2022

It is routinely said that the President is picked by corporate media, lobbyists, and deals in smoke filled rooms.

Money is free speech. Corporations and PACs pick the President.

The voters are manipulated the conspiracy theorists say. I don't buy into that myself but I think a lot of people do.

Your point is well taken though. Presidents should be elected by a free and open vote not reduced to a committee of doctors or the addition of requirements like background checks. Actually, that should be the press' gig.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
3. Well, that's just an excuse for disengagement
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 10:44 AM
Aug 2022

Candidates are selected by powerful interests. There's nothing we can do. Might as well stay home.

I think what we need to do is to get away from "celebrity candidate" with no prior record of substantial public service.

No corporate media or smoke filled room picked Joe Biden to run for the New Castle County Council. He got high marks for his service there and climbed the political ladder in Delaware from the bottom.

Certainly, there are powerful interests who prefer one candidate over another at the top level, but they are generally not fostering careers in public service which provide a record against which candidates words can be judged.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. It is for some people exactly.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 10:46 AM
Aug 2022

IMO that is why we have so much voter apathy or at least it is a good excuse for voter apathy.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
5. I guess it is harder to get a clearance now.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:01 AM
Aug 2022

I enlisted in the army in May 1961. I received notification in August 1961 that I was cleared for Top Secret Cryptographic Access. Of course, I was straight out of high school so there wasn't much for the FBI to check. My neighbor told me later that an FBI agent asked her about me. She told him that I was a good boy and would not do anything wrong. He thanked her and left. I have a question, does every enlistee have to read a document that lists about 300 groups and swear that s/he has never belonged to any of them?

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