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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe forever war has been cut back by like 95 percent and Biden has gotten no credit for it
every time I point this out the main reaction is astonishment. both Biden's people and the press are falling down at communicating a real basic fact about the world
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https://airwars.org/conflict-data/
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Quakerfriend
(5,450 posts)the way US left Afghanistan.
I was heartened to hear J. Bolton remind CNN news guy that pull out of Afghanistan was agreement made by Trump & just followed through on by Biden.
Haggard Celine
(16,846 posts)I was laughing like hell by the time the 'host' ended that conversation.
JohnSJ
(92,202 posts)for the "terrble way" the withdrawl from AFghanistan occurred, and implying that with the successful targeting of the AQ leader in Afghanistan, demostrates how "unsuccessful" our withdrawl from Afghanistan was.
I am convinced that the so-called journalists today are complete idiots.
There was no "good" way to withdraw from Afghanistan, and staying there indefinitely would accomplish nothing. After twelve plus years, if Afghanistan army could not counter the taliban, then it was doomed to fail. It also failed to recognize that occupying a country with military troops was NOT the best way to fight terrorisim.
They want to blame Biden, but conveniently forget that it was trump who setup the withdrawal of all Americans from Afghanistan.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)also so poorly written.
Walleye
(31,027 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,998 posts)Some of them hyped how bad Afghanistan is today: the poverty, the malnutrition, the loss of education for girls and freedom for women even to go outside the home without a male relative as escort.
Yes, those things are horrible, and I feel sorry for Afghans who do not support the Taliban, but its what happens when a country is allowed to be ruled by religion. People in the US should be put on notice as our own religious extremists try to run roughshod over rights with the help of the Supreme Court.
JohnSJ
(92,202 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)the Democrats' successes. It's incredible and is nothing new. I just don't get it. Also, I think much of the media is of no help. Much of the media focuses on negativity, as that increases revenue.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...no self-awareness at all.
How about just promoting the things you believe are important?
Better yet, promote some of the things Dems are doing to get their messages out.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DemocraticVideo
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...republicans own and dominate the editorial decisions of the majors.
That's the challenge, really not just some Democratic failing - which makes it all the more imperative that supporters are just as prolific and responsible in our own public messaging.
I really don't get concluding that because the media aren't promoting Dems enough, it therefore means Dems suck at messaging.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)calimary
(81,285 posts)WE have to do it.
WE have to push it.
WE have to share it.
WE have to promote it.
WE have to get the talking points out - and SPREAD em!
The news biz wont. So WE MUST!
BE YOUR OWN NEWS CENTER!
BE the one who always keeps track and reads farther down than the headline, finds the truth, and shares what we learn.
WE are the ones who dont have owners to heed or corporations to cow to or orders to follow or advertisers to be beholden to. And we DONT have to do anything someone elses way, especially when its counterproductive or antisocial or selfishly short-sighted.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)For Biden, I spread success stories.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)And Democrats are going on a media blitz in September. The President will sign this latest bill today and they intend to go all over.
calimary
(81,285 posts)A female character friend of theirs as they attempted to launch a music career memorably observed: it doesnt mean dick if they dont promote you.
And THERES the bottom line: PROMOTION!!!
GOT TO promote it. GOT TO! Nobodys gonna know (or care) if they dont know what good thing(s) you did! Nobody out there is a mind-reader to know what good thing(s) you did. You gotta tell em!
We ALL have to be promoters here! And not just casual promoters. RELENTLESS promoters.
Especially with the asshole push-back from the media and Pox Noise and all the cheap-ass wannabe Pox Noise copycats. WE have to fight back AND PUSH BACK! As hard and as often as possible!
BE the Truth Squad! And SPREAD the word!
And I just shared these charts twice.
PatSeg
(47,468 posts)They say so much with so few words. This is really impressive.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)PatSeg
(47,468 posts)2naSalit
(86,636 posts)how it was a disaster. I am tired of war, war mongering and war profiteers.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We could do it ourselves.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Now front page how bad it is in Afghanistan. They love conflict and war.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Someday just as the historians mark what a disaster the Trump attempt was at destabilizing our country.. they will also acknowledge the amazing amazing things the Biden has done..
I wish I could remember the entire quote..but basically it says, people are not valued in their own time..
no_hypocrisy
(46,116 posts)Biden can follow the wishes of Republicans and they'll be contrarians and claim he's ruining this country. Exhibit "A": Afghanistan
brooklynite
(94,581 posts)Iraq and Afghanistan were because US troops were on the ground. Nobody cares about military engagements elsewhere.
GreenWave
(6,757 posts)They do not want peace.
hay rick
(7,621 posts)They are desperately trying to maintain the pretense of a viable two-party system. To this end that have to understate both Biden's accomplishments and Republican corruption, incompetence, and treason.
Lemon Lyman
(1,349 posts)Not only did he not get credit, but the Afghanistan pullout is when the media started sh*tting on him for a living. The first 6 months of his presidency PJB got fair coverage. Once the media saw how much attention and how many clicks they got from their trash Afghanistan coverage, they decided to go all-in on that type of coverage. After that it was:
YOU WON'T GET YOUR CHRISTMAS PRESENTS ON TIME
SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS
INFLATION
GAS PRICES
MILK PRICES
INFLATION
MILK PRICES
GAS PRICES
BABY FORMULA SHORTAGE
RECESSION
GAS PRICES
Of course when things trend in the wrong direction, TONS of doomsday coverage ("Let's go live to Stark Phillips standing outside the most expensive gas station in the country" . Never any coverage of things going in the right direction (vaccines in arms, life going back to post-Covid normal for most people, falling gas prices, legistlation passed, problems fixed).
Initech
(100,079 posts)I don't know how many times I have to say this but I will continue to shout it from the rooftops: THE PROPAGANDA IS THE PROBLEM!!! We cannot have a stable country until we properly address how bad and out of control the right wing propaganda machine is. They will do anything to bury Biden and cement Trump as a god. It's completely maddening and infuriating.
LaMouffette
(2,035 posts)Anyone know how to go about nominating him???
Here is yet another reason to love Joe Biden! The Peace President.
lees1975
(3,859 posts)and he did an absolutely incredible job, given the fact that his predecessor did not participate in the peaceful transfer of power or provide any information about the absolute disaster he had created there.