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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:19 AM Aug 2022

16 yr old hasn't proved she's mature enough to get abortion-So state will force her to have a child

Florida appeals court affirms an order prohibiting a parentless 16-year-old from terminating her pregnancy on the grounds that she has not proved she is mature enough to get an abortion. So the state will force her to have a child instead.

August 15, 2022
PER CURIAM.
Appellant, a minor, wishes to terminate her pregnancy. She
appeals the trial court’s dismissal of her petition seeking judicial
waiver of the parental/legal guardian notice and consent
provisions under section 390.01114, Florida Statutes. The trial
court found, based on the nonadversarial presentation below, that
Appellant had not established by clear and convincing evidence
that she was sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate
her pregnancy. Having reviewed the record, we affirm the trial
court’s decision under the deferential standard of appellate review
set out in the governing statute. § 390.01114(6)(b)2., Fla. Stat.
(2022) (“The reason for overturning a ruling on appeal must be
based on abuse of discretion by the court and may not be based on
the weight of the evidence presented to the circuit court since the
proceeding is a nonadversarial proceeding.”). We note that section
390.01114 allows for a remand to the trial court with instructions
for a further ruling, but no such remand is warranted here. See id.
(“An appellate court must rule within 7 days after receipt of
appeal, but a ruling may be remanded with further instruction for
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a ruling within 3 business days after the remand.”). The trial
court’s order and findings are neither unclear nor lacking such that
a remand would be necessary for us to perform our review under
the statute.



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16 yr old hasn't proved she's mature enough to get abortion-So state will force her to have a child (Original Post) kpete Aug 2022 OP
Florida.... LakeArenal Aug 2022 #1
Today Florida gratuitous Aug 2022 #3
It's really not the way to attract young voters. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #4
The church doesn't care about voters. In Florida, Christian Nationalism has merged with Fascism. sarcasmo Aug 2022 #9
I think it's important. The church ain't that popular with young voters either. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #13
They're working on that angle, too gratuitous Aug 2022 #17
You're really into blaming entire states for bad behavior, aren't you? Paladin Aug 2022 #14
Yes and when my state WI does something evil I will do the same. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #22
Two words, Mr. Wisconsin: Ron Johnson. Paladin Aug 2022 #32
Well since you seem to follow me you should know I've been very critical of Ron and other legasltors LakeArenal Aug 2022 #37
I'm with you snowybirdie Aug 2022 #23
Lots and lots of good folks in Texas, as well. (nt) Paladin Aug 2022 #34
I might add, my mother and her 14 siblings are from Texas. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #38
I was in Texas.... mbusby Aug 2022 #43
I will add that my parents retired to Florida. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #39
Quite ironic treestar Aug 2022 #2
Speechless sarisataka Aug 2022 #5
+1 for the Nathan Fillion gif n/t area51 Aug 2022 #28
Sounds like a Catch22 to me MagickMuffin Aug 2022 #6
But she's mature enough to have a baby. Welcome to Magat rule. SICKENING. OLDMDDEM Aug 2022 #7
She can have the baby. Later, the State will take the baby. scarletlib Aug 2022 #10
Florida is as bad as its governor. OLDMDDEM Aug 2022 #12
Beats me. scarletlib Aug 2022 #24
That is discouraging. OLDMDDEM Aug 2022 #30
well, republicans need to generate cannon fodder for their planned future wars... canuckledragger Aug 2022 #8
And it will play out this way: no_hypocrisy Aug 2022 #11
Baby factory working as hoped. enough Aug 2022 #20
"Domestic supply of infants" Mad_Machine76 Aug 2022 #40
Having lived thru the Bad Old Days, that phrase alone makes me gag Hekate Aug 2022 #52
Same. Mad_Machine76 Aug 2022 #53
That and some other phrases boiled down to "How DARE they?!" for me. ... Hekate Aug 2022 #54
So mature women are more entitled to abortion access? 867-5309. Aug 2022 #15
*screams* betsuni Aug 2022 #16
This is consistent with their worldview central scrutinizer Aug 2022 #18
And then Mad_Machine76 Aug 2022 #41
Floridistan... Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #19
This is so horrible. Emile Aug 2022 #21
.... Diamond_Dog Aug 2022 #25
Wait she's mature enough to raise a baby with absolutely no support Heather MC Aug 2022 #26
Knew it was Floriduh before I clicked on the article Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 #27
Fuck the fucking Christian right. Initech Aug 2022 #29
Can she get help to travel to a pro-choice state? Does she have a Ilsa Aug 2022 #31
No. She is a minor child. She is now on record as being pregnant & wanting to end it ... Hekate Aug 2022 #47
This is a stupid ruling LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #33
I want to live on a smarter planet... Aristus Aug 2022 #35
Send in the Janes. cbabe Aug 2022 #36
Earthen vessels IronLionZion Aug 2022 #42
The State owns your body, little girl Hekate Aug 2022 #44
Is there info on how this actually got to a court? was she reported by someone? IcyPeas Aug 2022 #45
Fuck Florida! 2naSalit Aug 2022 #46
WTFF! RexLipton Aug 2022 #48
This is insane. Roe your vote! Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #49
What's the closest state to her Tickle Aug 2022 #50
Republicans are sick puppies. nt SouthernCal_Dem Aug 2022 #51

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. Today Florida
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:25 AM
Aug 2022

This will catch on in other parts of the country. The oppressors are in full flex mode, running as far and as fast as they can, knowing that their gains are temporary but they're hoping to keep women as second class citizens.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. They're working on that angle, too
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:45 AM
Aug 2022

Where that whole "majority rules" business is quietly chloroformed and replaced by the Infallible Judgments of Wise Men starring guess who as the wise men.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
14. You're really into blaming entire states for bad behavior, aren't you?
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:43 AM
Aug 2022

You had a "Texas...." posting on another thread, this morning. I think I'll start doing the same thing when fucked-up things occur in other states: "New Hampshire...." "Oregon...."

Thanks for the inspiration.

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
22. Yes and when my state WI does something evil I will do the same.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:56 AM
Aug 2022

These Maga states, including WI, will be highlighted.

I listened for years about how WI got what it voted for despite half the start being not Republican.

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
37. Well since you seem to follow me you should know I've been very critical of Ron and other legasltors
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:30 PM
Aug 2022

Despite having Tammy Baldwin and MarcPocan

I also will point out we’ve had the same fascist Republicans since 2009.

However, despite voter suppression by the State Republicans to aid in Statewide and National elections, WI still pulls blue.

Because we are fighting the good battle here.

But I sure have no problem with anyone pointing out how backward and hostile WI is.

snowybirdie

(5,229 posts)
23. I'm with you
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:57 AM
Aug 2022

Generalizations come from lazy thinking, my old editor used to tell me. There are many of us in Florida that are sane and intelligent.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
6. Sounds like a Catch22 to me
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:30 AM
Aug 2022

If she proved she was mature, then they would have said She's mature enough to have a child.


scarletlib

(3,412 posts)
10. She can have the baby. Later, the State will take the baby.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:34 AM
Aug 2022

Put it in the atrocious foster care system and perhaps imprison the mother for child neglect and/or abuse.

A satisfactory outcome for all of society. Two lives ruined.

OLDMDDEM

(1,575 posts)
12. Florida is as bad as its governor.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:38 AM
Aug 2022

How people can support an ass like Desantis and treat choldren in this way is beyond me. I'm glad I live in Maryland.

scarletlib

(3,412 posts)
24. Beats me.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:58 AM
Aug 2022

I live here and I don’t get it.

We are split pretty evenly between Dems and republicans. But ever since Jeb Bush, Republicans have won and gerrymandered the hell out of the State. They really fight dirty, use shady, if not downright illegal tactics to win elections.

Florida legislators ignore Constitutional amendments passed by the people and just do the hell whatever they want to do.

Until more people turn out in mass and vote them all out, I don’t see anything changing.

OLDMDDEM

(1,575 posts)
30. That is discouraging.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:34 PM
Aug 2022

My wife feels that is what will happen with the next election. I told her that I believe there are enough people, like in Kansas, that will come out and help the Dems keep the house and senate.

canuckledragger

(1,641 posts)
8. well, republicans need to generate cannon fodder for their planned future wars...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:31 AM
Aug 2022

"Conservatives want live babies so they can train them to be dead soldiers."

- George Carlin

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
11. And it will play out this way:
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:35 AM
Aug 2022

1. 16 yo too immature to have an abortion.
2. State makes her have the baby.
3. Child Protection practically in the Delivery Room and removes the newborn from 16 yo mother.
4. 16 yo's parental rights are terminated in court by Child Protection -- because she's too immature to raise a child.
5. Infant is adopted by fundamentalist Christian family.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
54. That and some other phrases boiled down to "How DARE they?!" for me. ...
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 08:34 PM
Aug 2022

There was reference to “out of wedlock” infants, that made me spew my coffee. That’s one incredibly judgmental and shaming phrase that I had thought was in the garbage dump of history.

 

867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
15. So mature women are more entitled to abortion access?
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:43 AM
Aug 2022

While immature women should just have the child?

central scrutinizer

(11,650 posts)
18. This is consistent with their worldview
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:46 AM
Aug 2022

Rs don’t give a shit about babies after they’re born. The most likely scenario is that this poor baby will be born into extreme poverty and the mother will be forced to work instead of caring for her child. What cruelty.

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
41. And then
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:00 PM
Aug 2022

Folks like Dr. Laura (remember her?) will complain about her being "a bad mother" for having to work and keep her child in daycare (so she can work and continue to provide for her child).

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
26. Wait she's mature enough to raise a baby with absolutely no support
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:06 PM
Aug 2022

But not much you're enough to say Hey I have no support to help me raise this baby I shouldn't have it

Anyone got her address, I can send her some special herbs and spices that can induce an abortion that are perfectly legal


This lovely lady will help this young 16 year old

Initech

(100,079 posts)
29. Fuck the fucking Christian right.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:15 PM
Aug 2022

Hey evangelicals, you want these babies to be born? Well you should raise them then! Oh don't want to? Then fuck you.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
31. Can she get help to travel to a pro-choice state? Does she have a
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:36 PM
Aug 2022

a go fund me account or something?

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
47. No. She is a minor child. She is now on record as being pregnant & wanting to end it ...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:14 PM
Aug 2022

Just about her only recourse is to leave in the dead of night and never return.


2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
46. Fuck Florida!
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:13 PM
Aug 2022

Honestly, that state has put forth several of the worst of the worst in recent years and it's becoming a pariah state like Texas. Actually, I think they are tied for worst.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
49. This is insane. Roe your vote!
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:43 PM
Aug 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

The radicalized Republican party wants government-mandated birth. Women are not property and pregnancy does not justify indentured servitude to the state.

Tickle

(2,525 posts)
50. What's the closest state to her
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 05:34 PM
Aug 2022

Where she can get an abortion? This is ridiculous but hopefully she won't be forced to give birth

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