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PatSeg

(47,489 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:21 PM Aug 2022

I Didn't Want It to Be True, but the Medium Really Is the Message

New York Times, Opinion by EZRA KLEIN

We’ve been told — and taught — that mediums are neutral and content is king. You can’t say anything about television. The question is whether you’re watching “The Kardashians” or “The Sopranos,” “Sesame Street” or “Paw Patrol.” To say you read books is to say nothing at all: Are you imbibing potboilers or histories of 18th-century Europe? Twitter is just the new town square; if your feed is a hellscape of infighting and outrage, it’s on you to curate your experience more tightly.

There is truth to this, of course. But there is less truth to it than to the opposite. McLuhan’s view is that mediums matter more than content; it’s the common rules that govern all creation and consumption across a medium that change people and society. Oral culture teaches us to think one way, written culture another. Television turned everything into entertainment, and social media taught us to think with the crowd.

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In his prophetic 1985 book, “Amusing Ourselves to Death,” Postman argued that the dystopia we must fear is not the totalitarianism of George Orwell’s “1984” but the narcotized somnolence of Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” Television teaches us to expect that anything and everything should be entertaining. But not everything should be entertainment, and the expectation that it will be is a vast social and even ideological change. He is at pains to distance himself from the critics who lament so-called junk television:

I raise no objection to television’s junk. The best things on television are its junk, and no one and nothing is seriously threatened by it. Besides, we do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant. Therein is our problem, for television is at its most trivial and, therefore, most dangerous when its aspirations are high, when it presents itself as a carrier of important cultural conversations. The irony here is that this is what intellectuals and critics are constantly urging television to do. The trouble with such people is that they do not take television seriously enough.


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I Didn't Want It to Be True, but the Medium Really Is the Message (Original Post) PatSeg Aug 2022 OP
Oh My Ford, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #1
It sure has felt like it for some time now PatSeg Aug 2022 #5
Very interesting article. llmart Aug 2022 #2
You're welcome PatSeg Aug 2022 #7
Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television cbabe Aug 2022 #3
Wow, that's from 1978 PatSeg Aug 2022 #8
That's right. Date typo. Fixed. Thanks. cbabe Aug 2022 #10
Oh, I wasn't criticizing PatSeg Aug 2022 #11
Yep. Jerry was on top of things from way back. (I know it wasn't a criticism. Thankful my error was cbabe Aug 2022 #14
Cheers PatSeg Aug 2022 #15
Funny I don't recall anyone trying to get rid of escapist musicals during the Great Depression. brooklynite Aug 2022 #9
I think there is place for a certain PatSeg Aug 2022 #12
I know people who seem to watch endless hours of cable news..... brooklynite Aug 2022 #13
Yes, I do as well PatSeg Aug 2022 #16
"...as though we'd rubbed the monkey's paw and gotten our horrible wish." Rachel M at 6 pm Aug 2022 #4
Be careful what you wish for PatSeg Aug 2022 #6
"Never has the banality of normalcy been so compelling." - DU's marmar (Jan 21, 2021) Rachel M at 6 pm Aug 2022 #17
That is perfect! PatSeg Aug 2022 #18

gab13by13

(21,353 posts)
1. Oh My Ford,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:26 PM
Aug 2022

I said a couple years ago that we were turning into "A Brave New World." Time for some football, er soma.

PatSeg

(47,489 posts)
5. It sure has felt like it for some time now
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:47 PM
Aug 2022

I actually just read the book a year ago and I was struck by many parallels. I watched some of the recent mini-series, but when it started to diverge too much from the book, I lost interest.

cbabe

(3,547 posts)
3. Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 12:54 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Tue Aug 16, 2022, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/228250.Four_Arguments_for_the_Elimination_of_Television

Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television/Jerry Mander

A total departure from previous writing about television, this book is the first ever to advocate that the medium is not reformable. Its problems are inherent in the technology itself and are so dangerous -- to personal health and sanity, to the environment, and to democratic processes -- that TV ought to be eliminated forever.

Weaving personal experiences through meticulous research, the author ranges widely over aspects of television that have rarely been examined and never before joined together, allowing an entirely new, frightening image to emerge. The idea that all technologies are "neutral," benign instruments that can be used well or badly, is thrown open to profound doubt. Speaking of TV reform is, in the words of the author, "as absurd as speaking of the reform of a technology such as guns."

(A 1978 classic. Former ad executive talks technology not content. ‘Kill your tv’ scary.)

PatSeg

(47,489 posts)
8. Wow, that's from 1978
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:56 PM
Aug 2022

Sometimes I feel that television was some sort of gateway drug for what we are experiencing today with the Internet.

PatSeg

(47,489 posts)
11. Oh, I wasn't criticizing
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:42 PM
Aug 2022

I went and looked up the book and saw it was over 40 years old, which I found surprising.

cbabe

(3,547 posts)
14. Yep. Jerry was on top of things from way back. (I know it wasn't a criticism. Thankful my error was
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 10:54 PM
Aug 2022

spotted.) cheers.

PatSeg

(47,489 posts)
12. I think there is place for a certain
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:53 PM
Aug 2022

amount of escapism in any era. However, I've known people who were very addicted to television and now many of them are addicted to social media.

Meanwhile, I think television is much different today than it was when the book was written. Unfortunately, a lot of people still watch dumbed down shows even though there is a lot of high quality programming available. Most reality TV shows are much like the carnival freak shows of other eras.

brooklynite

(94,589 posts)
13. I know people who seem to watch endless hours of cable news.....
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 10:26 PM
Aug 2022

...both conservatives and liberals. Anyone can OD on what's available.

PatSeg

(47,489 posts)
16. Yes, I do as well
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:02 PM
Aug 2022

Actually I used to watch far too much cable news, but now I watch 1/2-1 hour a day during the week, unless there is a big story like this past week. With all the horror of the Trump years, I really needed more escapism TV and I weaned myself off cable news.

Rachel M at 6 pm

(115 posts)
4. "...as though we'd rubbed the monkey's paw and gotten our horrible wish."
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:43 PM
Aug 2022

"Watching Donald Trump tweet his way to the presidency felt like some sinister apotheosis, as though we’d rubbed the monkey’s paw and gotten our horrible wish. We didn’t want to be bored, and now we never would be."

Rachel M at 6 pm

(115 posts)
17. "Never has the banality of normalcy been so compelling." - DU's marmar (Jan 21, 2021)
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 02:02 PM
Aug 2022

On the day after Biden's inauguration, marmar wrote exactly what I was feeling...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214979590

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