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applegrove

(118,677 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:50 PM Aug 2022

Judge Tees Up Affidavit Showdown

Judge Tees Up Affidavit Showdown

August 16, 2022 at 1:09 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 9 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2022/08/16/judge-tees-up-affidavit-showdown/

"SNIP......

Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart scheduled a hearing for Thursday at 1 p.m. to determine whether to unseal the affidavit underpinning the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago last week.

Playbook: “Several news outlets have requested to make it public, while the Justice Department argued in a Monday filing that doing so could compromise its criminal investigation. In addition to the media’s push for the affidavit, many Republicans have called for it to be released amid the conservative backlash to the FBI search.”

Donald Trump also weighed in: “I call for the immediate release of the completely Unredacted Affidavit pertaining to this horrible and shocking BREAK-IN.”

.....SNIP"

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Judge Tees Up Affidavit Showdown (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2022 OP
Is this the judge who ordered the search warrant? wryter2000 Aug 2022 #1
"The crap he's had to endure" has nothing to do with how he will rule Effete Snob Aug 2022 #2
I know that wryter2000 Aug 2022 #7
In this case the crap he had to endure is directly relevant dsc Aug 2022 #9
+1 H2O Man Aug 2022 #10
We do often AMAZE see you of our ignorance of how "things work" in courts msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #15
They attract attention because they are the exception Effete Snob Aug 2022 #16
Guess I missed the descriptor "Normal"... msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #18
Release it! Chainfire Aug 2022 #3
Indict him. Then release it. Raven Aug 2022 #4
Of course, Trump could care less if national security is exposed. He stole the documents! kentuck Aug 2022 #5
I'd be surprised if EndlessWire Aug 2022 #6
There are a dozen good and compelling reasons ... Whiskeytide Aug 2022 #8
First, let's see trump's unredacted tax return Orrex Aug 2022 #11
K&R SharonClark Aug 2022 #13
Release it to the Senate Inel Committee first.... kentuck Aug 2022 #12
Republicans would just release it or pass a copy along. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #22
Redact out names... release it. WarGamer Aug 2022 #14
That may not be sufficient Effete Snob Aug 2022 #17
ok... yeah I hear ya. WarGamer Aug 2022 #19
Although, just to cover their bases Effete Snob Aug 2022 #20
Of course TFG would release it -- he's shown us that he doesn't give a hoot about allegorical oracle Aug 2022 #21
Trump will get his unredacted copy when criminal charges are filed. Until then, let him sweat it. TheBlackAdder Aug 2022 #23

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
1. Is this the judge who ordered the search warrant?
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:53 PM
Aug 2022

After the crap he's had to endure, I can't imagine he'll do what Trump wants. It would be lunacy to release all that information.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
2. "The crap he's had to endure" has nothing to do with how he will rule
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:06 PM
Aug 2022

I'm always amazed by the general tendency to believe that federal judges issue rulings based on their feelings of personal pique.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
7. I know that
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:34 PM
Aug 2022

It ought to inform him of the serious danger of releasing other people's names, though. I imagine that's part of the DOJ argument.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
9. In this case the crap he had to endure is directly relevant
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:40 PM
Aug 2022

it gives him a front row seat to the danger of releasing the names of those witnesses.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
15. We do often AMAZE see you of our ignorance of how "things work" in courts
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:18 PM
Aug 2022

well, some of us are as old dirt and have seen a lot of things happen in the legal system, and that means COURTS with BIASED judges, who rule based on their "feelings" and pretend it's a legally sound and based decision.

yeppers, ALOT OF TIMES through out this nation's history.

Maybe that should amaze you a whole lot more.

just sayin...

Yes, you have mentioned that you've been around a lot of years, but somehow you missed all of the outrageous decisions made by judges over the years. It is rather puzzling how that could have happened. but whatever.


 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. They attract attention because they are the exception
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 09:05 AM
Aug 2022

Federal judges issue hundreds of rulings every day. The ones that get reported in the news as bad decisions are "news" for a reason.

Relying on the news for a picture of what is "normal" is itself a trap.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
18. Guess I missed the descriptor "Normal"...
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 09:22 AM
Aug 2022

It happens all the time, but yes I would agree just because it happens all too frequently, nevertheless, it should't be construed as "Normal". On the other hand, we would naturally forgive the perception regarding judges bias and rulings based on feelings instead of actual law or proper procedures occur most frequently in cases involving the underclass, people of color, women, and the powerful and wealthy, a class many judges have shown to be inclined to protect.

Throughout our entire history and all over this land, right up to the current Supreme Court of the United States we see this time and time again.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
3. Release it!
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:13 PM
Aug 2022

With everything redacted but the heading and the signature. Maybe leave the conjunctions...

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
5. Of course, Trump could care less if national security is exposed. He stole the documents!
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:28 PM
Aug 2022

But the judge might be more accommodating than he expects. He could redact out all the national security information and information related to open criminal investigations and give the people a little taste of what Trump was up to. Be careful what you wish for, Donald.

EndlessWire

(6,536 posts)
6. I'd be surprised if
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:35 PM
Aug 2022

the Judge allowed this and exposed the agents to harm. Trump only wants it so he can fan up violence by his supporters.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
8. There are a dozen good and compelling reasons ...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:39 PM
Aug 2022

… to keep it sealed. The only reason I can think of for unsealing it is so Sean, Laura and Stucker will know who to vilify.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
11. First, let's see trump's unredacted tax return
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:48 PM
Aug 2022

Then let’s see the complete and unredacted Mueller report.

Then we can talk about whether the release of the affidavit, with the guaranteed danger it poses to those involved, is justified.

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
12. Release it to the Senate Inel Committee first....
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 04:20 PM
Aug 2022

Then, when he is indicted, release it to the Grand Jury.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
17. That may not be sufficient
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 09:06 AM
Aug 2022

If an affidavit said, "[redacted] heard WarGamer snoring at 3AM at night", then I think you'd have a pretty good idea who [readacted] was.

The DoJ already filed their brief that said the necessary redactions would render it unintelligible.

I believe them.



Do you think they are making that up?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
20. Although, just to cover their bases
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 11:57 AM
Aug 2022

...right after that paragraph they say, "But if you want to unseal it, we want the first crack at redacting it."

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
21. Of course TFG would release it -- he's shown us that he doesn't give a hoot about
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 12:04 PM
Aug 2022

classified info or sources and methods. Lock him up.

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