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gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:43 PM Aug 2022

Garland Will Have No Choice But To Indict

I've been thinking about the 11 sets of Top Secret documents the FBI recovered. The Wa.Post claims some may be nuclear related.
These are documents that Trump cannot unilaterally declassify.
If there is evidence that Trump tried to sell any of these, it's Game Over. Even if there is no indication Trump tried to sell these he is in deep trouble.

Merrick Garland will have no issues indicting Trump if these 11 sets of documents are documents that scare the shit out of everyone.

I post this because there are indications that Trump is preparing to throw Mark Meadows under the bus for these documents. You see the office secretary who was in charge of returning classified documents from the Oval Office to the National Archives left. Mark Meadows, supposedly volunteered to do her job. Trump is going to say that Meadows screwed up, he neglected to return the documents and so they got mistakenly packed up.

I hope this is what happens, I hope this is Trump's story, because it has more holes in it than a piece of Swiss cheese.

Just a positive thought.

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Garland Will Have No Choice But To Indict (Original Post) gab13by13 Aug 2022 OP
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2022 #1
The June subpoena and meeting with FBI established knowledge and intent Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #2
I agree, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #7
My understanding is it is highly irregular to unseal a warrant affidavit before an indictment. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #13
Agree. If the bloated tick didn't try to sell information, I'd be shocked. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #3
I couldn't agree with you more, comrade. WheelWalker Aug 2022 #4
Lol, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #8
I think if Benedict Donald goes ahead and throws him under the bus, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #5
I agree, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #9
I don't believe he got nuclear secrets Tickle Aug 2022 #6
The word nuclear can have a lot of definitions, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #10
Trump never follows rules and would cheat, lie and steal to get what he wants. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #14
I get all that and agree with you Tickle Aug 2022 #15
I do! EndlessWire Aug 2022 #17
We'll see soon enough. I don't think that Mark M will be just thrown under the bus, considering it SWBTATTReg Aug 2022 #11
Fox News, (I didn't watch it) gab13by13 Aug 2022 #12
I completely agree lanlady Aug 2022 #16
That's what I'm hoping for. EndlessWire Aug 2022 #18

Fiendish Thingy

(15,616 posts)
2. The June subpoena and meeting with FBI established knowledge and intent
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:49 PM
Aug 2022

I think we may see an indictment for espionage before any indictments for the J6 coup attempt, as there are more layers, players, and complexities in the J6 crimes compared to the MAL documents crimes.

DOJ would still need to present the evidence from MAL before a Grand Jury, so at least that step is yet to be completed AFAIK…

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
7. I agree,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:04 PM
Aug 2022

I think the theft of these documents will bring Trump down.

Also, I failed to mention, that Trump people want the affidavit unsealed, that is an unprecedented request, they want to know what DOJ has, and who the informants are. The judge better not unseal this, I mean, someone could fall down a set of steps.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
8. Lol,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:07 PM
Aug 2022

I used to write letters to the editor to my local red neck newspaper. The editor and I got into it a lot. He called me his commie, pinko, buddy. I quit writing letters when they started editing them and refusing to post them.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,385 posts)
5. I think if Benedict Donald goes ahead and throws him under the bus,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:56 PM
Aug 2022

it's game over and Meadows will have no compunction on telling what he knows to the Feds and the J6 Committee, after all, at that point, what's he got to lose, if he's going down, might as well put the final nail in Benedict Donald's coffin.

That is my hope.

Tickle

(2,520 posts)
6. I don't believe he got nuclear secrets
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:57 PM
Aug 2022

From my understanding you cannot enter the "room" where there are nuclear secrets with any electronic devices and you can not bring in any pens and paper. No one is allowed to carry anything out. I believe I learned that here on DU and it was enough to convince me that until Merrick Garland tells me otherwise and that includes the Washington post I do not believe it is going to be nuclear secrets

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
10. The word nuclear can have a lot of definitions,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:12 PM
Aug 2022

can mean different things.

John Bolton was on MSNBC tonight and he stated that Trump never believed in following the rules related to confidential documents.

It would not shock me if Trump had documents from those SCIFs at Mar-el-Loco, if he does, he is toast.

Irish_Dem

(47,101 posts)
14. Trump never follows rules and would cheat, lie and steal to get what he wants.
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 04:07 PM
Aug 2022

People saying what Trump can't do are not understanding what a ruthless sociopath he is.

Tickle

(2,520 posts)
15. I get all that and agree with you
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 04:17 PM
Aug 2022

I wish I could find the thread. If I understood it correctly the rules are such you can't take anything in the room nor can you leave with anything.

Do you really this this guy could steal secrets with those rules?

EndlessWire

(6,531 posts)
17. I do!
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 06:32 PM
Aug 2022

Didn't Gaetz invade a meeting in one with a bunch of his buddies? Nothing happened to him for that stunt. Plus, we know that Trump had to have had help getting those docs. There are other rats we are not yet aware of who helped him. What's it take for that?

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
11. We'll see soon enough. I don't think that Mark M will be just thrown under the bus, considering it
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:17 PM
Aug 2022

took tRUMP's classification (as president) in order to even get the documents. So at least both of them, if not more are complicit.

What a mess.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
12. Fox News, (I didn't watch it)
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:26 PM
Aug 2022

is blaming Meadows for not taking the documents back to the National Archives.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
16. I completely agree
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 04:55 PM
Aug 2022

We only know a portion of what the FBI knows, and what we do know is bad enough. The charges, when they come, won't be limited to some relatively innocuous Presidential Records Act offenses. Trump can try to offload the blame all he wants, but the fact is that stolen government documents, many at TS/SCI level, were transported to and stored at his property under laughable security. Some were begrudgingly returned but then his lawyers lied to the government about the continued presence at Mar-A-Lago of even more files. If some ordinary defense or intelligence agency employee had done this he or she would be thrown in jail to await trial with no hope of acquittal or clemency.

And the idiot made things worse for himself by releasing the text of the search warrant without blacking out the names of the agents involved in the raid, all but encouraging his mentally defective supporters to go out and threaten them. I wouldn't be surprised if DOJ gleefully threw the proverbial book at him.



EndlessWire

(6,531 posts)
18. That's what I'm hoping for.
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 06:42 PM
Aug 2022

I want every last charge indicted. I want nothing left off, no matter how tedious it is. Especially since he has all but admitted his guilt. We should be in the plea bargain stage already. One of the prods should be execution.

We can't exile him or deport him. He should run away now, because he is going to jail. Stick him in a Super Max, not a minimum security where his followers can wave at him through the fence.

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