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SKKY

(11,822 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:07 AM Aug 2022

FiveThirtyEight got me particularly hopeful on this fine Thursday

According to their model:

Senate - 63 Dems / 37 Republicans (Was 60 - 40 for a while, but is moving in our favor)

House - 22 Dems / 78 Republicans (This is a slow-moving upward trend)

Biden's Approval is 40.4% approval (Also an upward trend)

The Trump nonsense, coupled with the fact that only the craziest of the crazy are winning their primaries, is clearly putting some wind in Democratic sails. If gas prices continue to fall, and inflation continues to ease, we just might be able to keep both houses of Congress.

[link:https://fivethirtyeight.com/politics/|

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Omnipresent

(5,722 posts)
1. Voters are starting to pay attention...
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:15 AM
Aug 2022

And are realizing the GQP isn’t prepared to do jackshit for them, if they regain power.

Lovie777

(12,328 posts)
4. Republicans have not done jackshit for American citizens for quite sometime ....
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:23 AM
Aug 2022

but to keep their cult constantly angry, hateful, uninformed of truths and downright bullies.

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
2. 538 is no longer reliable.
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:19 AM
Aug 2022

Most polls are used for propaganda today.

I gave up on polls when exit polling was disregarded. Exit polling is a reliable indicator of election fraud. When the US was a shining light on a hill and we would send people to validate elections in other countries the #1 tool was exit polling.

In the last election, exit polling was off in Maine, Kentucky, and Florida, but so what, Magats won.

brooklynite

(94,729 posts)
5. Exit polling is by no means "a reliable indicator of fraud"
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:23 AM
Aug 2022

Its a reference point, based on people who choose to be interviewed. If you're a Republican who's been told not to trust the media, you're much more likely not to participate.

I assume by the way, you're suggesting that the public election results in Maine, Kentucky and Florida weren't accurate? Is so, do you have any actual evidence?

brooklynite

(94,729 posts)
11. So, lets take Maine as an example
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:58 AM
Aug 2022

The 2020 election (presumably ONLY for Collins; not for Trump) was rigged despite a Democratic Attorney General appointed by a Democratic Governor not noticing? Or were they part of the conspiracy? Add to which, point to charges of rigged voting by Sara Gideon, the Maine Democratic Party, etc?

gab13by13

(21,405 posts)
14. I know this,
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 10:09 AM
Aug 2022

538 and Rasmussen and others are the people who bash exit polling. They claim that exit polling favors Democrats because they are more willing to participate in the poll and they are usually more enthusiastic about the election. So, organizations like Gallup who used faulty data in its prediction for Barack Obama's election have to make excuses when the actual people who voted contradict them.

It is one thing for an organization like 538 to be wrong before votes are cast, they have an excuse. What is the excuse when actual vote totals don't match exit polling? Is it always polling error? I repeat, why do we use exit polling in 3rd world countries to determine fair elections?

ColinC

(8,329 posts)
10. Exit polls might be one small tool to help identify election fraud, but they are far from perfect
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:57 AM
Aug 2022

...and not the only one. Exit polls can still be wrong in a fair and free election.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
6. 538's process is to run 1000s of iterations of the same
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:41 AM
Aug 2022

data to come up with probabilities. That's fine statistically, but if their input data is not good, then the output is problematic. Haven't looked at 538 in a long time, but the polls they grab for input are not analyzed for much more than how the pollster performed against the actual election results. I suppose 538 believes this is a good substitute for not knowing the LV or turnout models or weighting system the pollster used or uses.

If 538 is still using all the polling data, then I think they are either missing or underestimating current trends by using stale data.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
16. So have all the pundits. 538's still the best of that low performing crowd
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 10:30 AM
Aug 2022

predicting politics is really hard

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