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edhopper

(33,584 posts)
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:29 AM Aug 2022

What McConnell said about the House is bigger than what he said about the Senate

McConnell admitted that they might not take the Senate because of their shitty, unqualified, nutjob candidates. But the statement is more telling about the House.

“I think there’s probably a greater likelihood the House flips than the Senate. Senate races are just different — they're statewide, candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome,”


In other words, they have gerrymandered enough States to take the House, not matter the Statewide popular vote.
The generic plus/minus Democrat/Republican polling is meaningless when they have made sure there are more safe Repug districts and diluted the Democratic vote.
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What McConnell said about the House is bigger than what he said about the Senate (Original Post) edhopper Aug 2022 OP
I think this is good, a slip in confidence. Just a few weeks ago they were saying they won already Walleye Aug 2022 #1
Agreed. And I for one think they're gonna have PCIntern Aug 2022 #2
+1 2naSalit Aug 2022 #4
Yes because these horror stories are gonna just keep coming out. There's no way to make it look good Walleye Aug 2022 #7
I agree with you about the house. Butterflylady Aug 2022 #17
If Kansas could go blu-ish disndat Aug 2022 #23
+1 BadgerMom Aug 2022 #33
Yup, I caught that Cheezoholic Aug 2022 #3
Gerrymandering works only up to a point, though localroger Aug 2022 #5
I hope you are right, and they 'gerrymander' themselves out of power. 70sEraVet Aug 2022 #9
the republikkkan llashram Aug 2022 #14
and women across all cultural groups will be voting against the Republican traitors samsingh Aug 2022 #25
Just look at what happened in Denver. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #42
I think we are going to prevail in the House ...... Lovie777 Aug 2022 #6
it would be guaranteed if democrats would stop ignoring RW radio, the only unique advantage GOP has certainot Aug 2022 #16
Good resource link. We absolutely need to address this. And churches proselytizing republicanism. JudyM Aug 2022 #19
Keeping the House is vital Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #8
Thank you! I know about the politics in my own state, but it is cool to hear about PatrickforB Aug 2022 #32
Exactly. McConnell will do everything he can to maintain control over the Senate. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #10
I don't believe that. Republicans want the House. live love laugh Aug 2022 #24
McConnell's famous for his thirst for personal power, though. Hortensis Aug 2022 #29
McConnell is one of the most powerful men in the world. What the R's want doesn't mean much to him. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #38
Keeping both chambers would be nice COL Mustard Aug 2022 #11
The thing about gerrymandering is... HariSeldon Aug 2022 #12
And gerrymandering is ineffective when it comes to Senate races. no_hypocrisy Aug 2022 #13
C'mon, he flat out admitted it Cheezoholic Aug 2022 #15
I think McConnell has underestimated the anger of women mnhtnbb Aug 2022 #18
I think he knows, which is why he used weasel words. GoCubsGo Aug 2022 #27
So he admits the House has poor quality Republican candidates nuxvomica Aug 2022 #20
Texas gained two House seats and gerrymandered new districts to ensure that they represent Lonestarblue Aug 2022 #21
I think we will take the House and the Senate. flying_wahini Aug 2022 #22
Leaning optimistic here also. Hortensis Aug 2022 #37
Gerrymandering, voter suppression and the filibuster The Wizard Aug 2022 #26
They'd have to have control of the state legislature to do that Kaleva Aug 2022 #28
They control edhopper Aug 2022 #43
If they take the House DownriverDem Aug 2022 #30
Ordinarily I'd agree with you, Ed, and join you in lamenting GOP corruption and lies, BUT... PatrickforB Aug 2022 #31
You summed it up perfectly -- "murderous misogyny" Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #41
"Senate races are different...statewide, candidate quality has a lot to do with outcome." Hortensis Aug 2022 #34
I wanna be optimistic Traildogbob Aug 2022 #35
Yes, Bannon is a daily threat. Wish they had gone ahead and sentenced him flying_wahini Aug 2022 #39
the house will muddle everything up with senseless hearings..nothing will get done samnsara Aug 2022 #36
Get enough voters out to overwhelm the cheat. ROE YOUR VOTE! Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #40
Getting state legislatures away from Republican domination is critical ThoughtCriminal Aug 2022 #44
Minnesota has been redistricted as well. TigressDem Aug 2022 #45
I think he was alluding to Warnock v Hershel Walker. Georgia, mahina Aug 2022 #46
Walker edhopper Aug 2022 #47

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
1. I think this is good, a slip in confidence. Just a few weeks ago they were saying they won already
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:32 AM
Aug 2022

And a pro like McConnell knows when you start losing the momentum in August, November is not looking good.

PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
2. Agreed. And I for one think they're gonna have
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:36 AM
Aug 2022

a problem with the House. This Dobbs decision is not going away, in fact it is one of those issues which increases in importance over time.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
7. Yes because these horror stories are gonna just keep coming out. There's no way to make it look good
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:50 AM
Aug 2022

Butterflylady

(3,544 posts)
17. I agree with you about the house.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:13 AM
Aug 2022

Roe changed a lot and the idea of them going after contraception is in my mind makes it almost impossible for them to win. Gerrymandering is going to backfire.

Cheezoholic

(2,025 posts)
3. Yup, I caught that
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:39 AM
Aug 2022

Immediately! I even rewound and listened again. Did he really just just say that? Ditch openly scratched the itch lol.

localroger

(3,627 posts)
5. Gerrymandering works only up to a point, though
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:42 AM
Aug 2022

So you engineer a narrow majority of R's in three-fourths of your house districts. R blowout, right? Then for some strange reason a lot more women than men register to vote, and a lot of women who nominally vote R quietly pull the D lever in the privacy of the booth. Now your R blowout just became a D blowout. And at this point it's too late to rearrange things.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
14. the republikkkan
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 09:59 AM
Aug 2022

men still think of women as weak. That they will 'Stepford wife' zombie do what they say. While maybe that is true in some cases, Dobbs opened a lot of eyes. And the affected will open their eyes as to who is strongest. Just an opinion...

sheshe2

(83,786 posts)
42. Just look at what happened in Denver.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 09:29 PM
Aug 2022

Women aren't going away no matter how hard they wish us to. Wade is a huge voters issue for women and men as well.

I want both houses. We have to do this.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. it would be guaranteed if democrats would stop ignoring RW radio, the only unique advantage GOP has
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:04 AM
Aug 2022

it wouldn't even be close

not only is it their most important weapon - free to them and locally coordinated - it is extremely vulnerable

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
19. Good resource link. We absolutely need to address this. And churches proselytizing republicanism.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:21 AM
Aug 2022

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
8. Keeping the House is vital
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:53 AM
Aug 2022

Redistricting didn't help the GOP, the Dems have momentum. It's still tough, but we have a real chance to hold the House.

Dems have played the long game here, they've accomplished a ton and now have 10 weeks to talk about it. Roe is a huge deal. Trump getting indicted is going to help Dems. Dem's strategy of helping extreme GOP candidates beat moderates in the primaries is a winning strategy, in my Congressional District it's virtually guaranteed we flip our House Seat to Dem, and an amazing Dem candidate at that.

My6 district here in West Michigan is pretty symbolic of Dem's efforts. First, a ballot initiative in 2020 led to a bipartisan panel redistricting. My Congressional district went from R+9 to D+3. But Peter Meijer was the Rep here, and he's very well liked and a moderate, he voted to impeach Trump. Meijer is from a well respected family in the area and beat Hillary Scholten in 2020. So the Republicans brought in a candidate who moved to Michigan and is a total Trump wingnut. It was a close primary, but Dems propped up Meijer's opponent who won the primary. Meijer would have beaten Scholten again, this other guy doesn't stand a chance. Hillary Scholten will be our next representative in Washington, she's amazing and has devoted her entire career to civil rights and helping those less fortunate.

She's going to be a great progressive voice.

Hold the house to avoid Republicans spending 2 years harming the country by obstructing everything, and holding joke investigation into Hunter Biden's laptop 8 hours a day for 24 months.

PatrickforB

(14,576 posts)
32. Thank you! I know about the politics in my own state, but it is cool to hear about
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:23 AM
Aug 2022

what it looks like on the ground in other states. Good luck to Scholten!

Irish_Dem

(47,124 posts)
10. Exactly. McConnell will do everything he can to maintain control over the Senate.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:55 AM
Aug 2022

In each state he knows the specific counties he can rig with no consequences.

live love laugh

(13,118 posts)
24. I don't believe that. Republicans want the House.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:42 AM
Aug 2022

They’ve learned how things really get done from Pelosi and that the House has real power—especially financial power.

They want to twist things and embark on baseless investigations and impeachments to exact revenge for the prior two impeachments.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. McConnell's famous for his thirst for personal power, though.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:07 AM
Aug 2022

For 30 years, as his colleagues knew, his great ambition was to grow his power until he became senate majority leader. He finally achieved it in this crazy corrupt era he helped create -- when his continued behaviors confirmed something else he was already strikingly famous for: lack of any real ideology, significant policy achievements, or plan to create a meaningful conservative legacy that might have guided his decisions.

He needs Republicans to control the house too, of course. But, I've read that he's admitted he actually prefers being the MOST powerful Republican in the country, as when they hold only the senate majority.

He's also famous among his colleagues for such ignorance of most important policy issues that he couldn't participate competently in conversation with them -- but that's because he's not interested in THAT. It's all about getting and wielding power. So, if they don't hold the house, how important are the bills they can't pass to him anyway? (Except as lack of action displeases his and the rest of their donors, of course.)

Not what we imagine, right? Like so many who've risen to power in that party, there's more than a little missing in and wrong with him.

Irish_Dem

(47,124 posts)
38. McConnell is one of the most powerful men in the world. What the R's want doesn't mean much to him.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 01:21 PM
Aug 2022

He manipulates everyone to get what he wants.

McConnell is a very ruthless sociopath and control freak.

When he lost Ga he found a way to get de facto senate control.

He always finds a way.

HariSeldon

(455 posts)
12. The thing about gerrymandering is...
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 09:03 AM
Aug 2022

The districts are drawn to concentrate Democratic votes into the smallest possible number while spreading the Republican votes into the largest number possible allowing "reasonable" margin of victory. But this is a double-edged sword, because if there is a significant shift toward Democrats (such as the Dobbs decision might cause) or apathy among Republicans (which might occur because of revealed criminality), the "reasonable" margin can be overwhelmed.

no_hypocrisy

(46,119 posts)
13. And gerrymandering is ineffective when it comes to Senate races.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 09:57 AM
Aug 2022

Senate races are statewide, not confined to districts that have voters artificially re-distributed.

Cheezoholic

(2,025 posts)
15. C'mon, he flat out admitted it
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:00 AM
Aug 2022

I think hat was the main point of the OP. They deny there's ever any "bias" in their gerrymandering other than giving party line voters equal representation (like that district in NC that looks like the Yangtze river). We're guilty too. We all know partisan gerrymandering is a perversion of the 14th Amendment.

I think more to the point of this thread was the fucker admitted he and his party have their hands firmly squeezing the Dems crown jewels in the house and there's not a damned thing they can do about it. In so many words he flat out admitted they've gerrymandered the states to a nearly impervious level, almost bragging about it. I'm even wondering if he thinks he fucked up. Most Americans dont understand gerrymandering to a very deep level and he may have let his overconfidence speak before his common sense. He's not a stupid man by any means and seldom makes a mistake like this. I was really surprised.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
18. I think McConnell has underestimated the anger of women
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:19 AM
Aug 2022

which may be enough to overcome even the gerrymandering.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
27. I think he knows, which is why he used weasel words.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:49 AM
Aug 2022

"I think there’s probably a greater likelihood the House flips..." Qualify your speculation much there, Mitchy?

nuxvomica

(12,429 posts)
20. So he admits the House has poor quality Republican candidates
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:23 AM
Aug 2022

But the gerrymandering will allow them to win. That's a pretty stinging insult to House Republicans.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
21. Texas gained two House seats and gerrymandered new districts to ensure that they represent
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:27 AM
Aug 2022

white Republicans, even though the gain in population that got them two more seats came from Latinos. They also gerrymandered out the single black majority district in the state, so Texas alone may have three more Republicans in the House. There are very few House seats that are now considered competitive.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
26. Gerrymandering, voter suppression and the filibuster
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:47 AM
Aug 2022

have nullified representative democracy as envisioned by Aristotle.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
30. If they take the House
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:15 AM
Aug 2022

the 1/6 investigation ends and they plan on impeaching Biden. I just don't understand our country.

PatrickforB

(14,576 posts)
31. Ordinarily I'd agree with you, Ed, and join you in lamenting GOP corruption and lies, BUT...
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:20 AM
Aug 2022

We have a definite wildcard in this upcoming election, and that is the Supreme Court's overturning Roe. Women are MAD about that and rightly so - even the right-leaning suburban ones.

A quick vignette (be mindful I live in a pretty blue urban area). I went in to the periodontist for a cleaning, and I was lamenting having to take out a loan to get the dental care I need when we squander so much on stupid tax cuts for billionaires, forever wars and this year's bloated war budget - you know my spiel, I'm sure...

Anyway, my dental hygienist brought up the Roe decision and as a young mother talked about old guys that are so concerned with ramming their narrow religious ideology down the rest of our throats that they have denied exceptions even for ectopic pregnancies. She said, "If you have an ectopic pregnancy, you DIE," and then I talked about that idiot on the Salt Lake City Council that said the uterus, umbilical cord and fetus aren't really 'connected' to the mother - you remember that? Geez.

So, she is a definite to vote and I talked about how I would vote for my snowshoe Siamese cat before I'd ever vote for any Republican. She laughed and said she always votes.

I'm thinking that IF our candidates keep POUNDING on this issue, this murderous misogyny, and keep it in the front of everyone's mind, we might actually WIN some of those gerrymandered House districts.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
41. You summed it up perfectly -- "murderous misogyny"
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 03:52 PM
Aug 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. "Senate races are different...statewide, candidate quality has a lot to do with outcome."
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:33 AM
Aug 2022

What he's saying here is worth remembering about the senate. Because senate candidates have to get elected by majorities of the voters of whole states, the senate's membership historically tends to be both more moderate and higher quality than the house's overall.

In districts, it's always been possible for groups of enthusiastic wingers to get someone who takes their fancy elected for two years. Over whole states, of course, much larger and more diverse populations and interest groups, as well as big players who want serious people able to tend to their business, tend to eliminate those who can't create broad appeal. And there are not only a lot of voters who are neither crazy nor idiots, but more attention is paid to senate races.

Even with the appalling gerrymandering, house members can be comparatively easily primaried, and with 435 members of all qualities elected every 2 years, the house has a busy revolving door. Not the senate. THOSE guys are powerful just by being there and tend to be hard to get rid of.

Traildogbob

(8,748 posts)
35. I wanna be optimistic
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:40 AM
Aug 2022

I really do. In a straight up fair fight we could slaughter the GQP. But for the house specifically, Gerrymandering, voters suppression, throwing millions off of registration roles, every elimination of Dem voters, and then outright rejecting a Dem win with SOS installing their lunatic, with Denial of any Dem victory, we are in a shitstorm of a battle. And that battle needs to be in full swing right now with no gloves. We are at General Quarters with all hands demanded to be at battle stations with eminent attack of incoming missiles. And we are all in CIC where those missiles will strike directly. We fight like hell or we blow the fuck up. My fellow sailers will understand this scenario. As an Ops Specialist 2nd class petty officer, I knew CIC was ground zero for a Missile strike. We had to react within seconds. I feel that same sense of dire results if we do not react right now. And the EW’s have detected the electronic fingerprints of the locked on missile incoming. The best counter measure we have, is send our own missile straight up the large ASSHOLE of Steve Bannon. End his treasonous mouth right damn now. No amount of shirts layered would save his greasy ass.

flying_wahini

(6,606 posts)
39. Yes, Bannon is a daily threat. Wish they had gone ahead and sentenced him
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 02:13 PM
Aug 2022

He needs to be out of the Loop.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
40. Get enough voters out to overwhelm the cheat. ROE YOUR VOTE!
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 03:48 PM
Aug 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
44. Getting state legislatures away from Republican domination is critical
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 12:15 AM
Aug 2022

This is where pro-choice candidates need to make a lot of noise.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
45. Minnesota has been redistricted as well.
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 12:23 AM
Aug 2022

Seems like the BLUE is concentrated in a few districts with huge chunks being moved so the rural areas don't have any balance with cities that tend to vote more DEM.

mahina

(17,664 posts)
46. I think he was alluding to Warnock v Hershel Walker. Georgia,
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 04:16 AM
Aug 2022

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