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This is the Loire, the longest river in France. It's gone now. (Original Post) ItsjustMe Aug 2022 OP
We were warned misanthrope Aug 2022 #1
You probably knew this already but the explanation I heard is the estimates of impact are like a LT Barclay Aug 2022 #29
That's one aspect, too misanthrope Aug 2022 #37
Half of all, ALL emissions Brenda Aug 2022 #39
Like this? PCIntern Aug 2022 #40
Exactly like that. Brenda Aug 2022 #41
Possibly World Meteorological Association - Prof Petteri Taalas (Secretary-General of WMA) (?) Donkees Aug 2022 #45
;-( elleng Aug 2022 #2
And France has a a fair amount of nuclear power plants dependent on Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #3
Yeah, they're bending the rules to allow some to continue running muriel_volestrangler Aug 2022 #46
Kick dalton99a Aug 2022 #4
Is that a building or an old bus in the bottom photo? nt AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2022 #6
Looks like a boat. Earth-shine Aug 2022 #7
Probably a passenger barge for river cruises. JHB Aug 2022 #10
thanks, if so there is a story in how the passengers made it back to the dock. AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2022 #12
Wild guess- they walked. hay rick Aug 2022 #18
it is docked. ZonkerHarris Aug 2022 #21
After putting my glasses on, it looks like you are right. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2022 #25
My guess is they walked off at one of the regular stops when it could still move JHB Aug 2022 #22
That... is horrifying. 😞 crickets Aug 2022 #5
OMG! Talk about 'let that moonscape Aug 2022 #8
8 BILLION IS TOO MANY. roamer65 Aug 2022 #9
Agreed and we should have stopped at 2 billion. airplaneman Aug 2022 #30
So you're saying Thanos was the good guy. tclambert Aug 2022 #31
Bookmarking this post in case I live that long. nt KPN Aug 2022 #32
Almost can't comprehend this. yorkster Aug 2022 #11
And RWers world-wide are doing their best to stop anyone from mitigating climate change. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #13
Unbelievable DET Aug 2022 #14
Holy shit!!!!! BigmanPigman Aug 2022 #15
Oh it will be back -- rapidly carrying houses, cars, bodies, and topsoil to the sea progree Aug 2022 #16
Shocking... progressoid Aug 2022 #17
It's not "gone", but it is low. LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #19
I feel relief. TY Hekate Aug 2022 #23
Thank you for the objectivity. Of course, it isn't good, but it's KPN Aug 2022 #33
This is not exactly correct. Its an estuary of the Loire that is shown here. drray23 Aug 2022 #20
Thank you Hekate Aug 2022 #24
OK..That is explains why it is so wide! LeftInTX Aug 2022 #34
Thanks for the objectivity. KPN Aug 2022 #35
+1 demmiblue Aug 2022 #44
Thanks, Drrray23, and Progree, for the injection of honest information. Hortensis Aug 2022 #47
Not an estuary - it's an arm that runs around an island in the river, but well inland muriel_volestrangler Aug 2022 #48
Not quite as serious (yet). N.J. is in the beginning of drought. I volunteer in the 3Hotdogs Aug 2022 #26
This makes me very sad. Owl Aug 2022 #27
I recall An Inconvenient Truth. spanone Aug 2022 #28
Little too much doom and gloom 4 me try this BootinUp Aug 2022 #36
I've seen scary predictions of runaway warming by 2026 IbogaProject Aug 2022 #38
634 mile long river dried up! Wow Emile Aug 2022 #42
To counter this news newdayneeded Aug 2022 #43

misanthrope

(7,431 posts)
1. We were warned
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:03 PM
Aug 2022

It's almost like all those climate scientists were actually being very conservative with their publicized timeframe estimates so as not to be dismissed too readily by the public. Imagine that.

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
29. You probably knew this already but the explanation I heard is the estimates of impact are like a
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 12:23 AM
Aug 2022

bell curve with more extremes at either end with fewer papers supporting those views. I wish I could remember who it was, but he was at the end of recent severe impacts and everything we are seeing blew past his worst case for 100 years out. He said 5 years ago that our world would be unrecognizable in 20 years. I wish I could remember who so I could look up what he is saying now.
He's very dour, he's like the Chris Hedges of climate science.

misanthrope

(7,431 posts)
37. That's one aspect, too
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 02:16 AM
Aug 2022

You also have to factor in that those earlier projections are based on current usage from the past. The reality is that we haven't really slowed down terribly in our greenhouse gas emission, as was hoped for. Human beings -- JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ANIMAL -- will continue with a pattern of behavior until forced to change.

Brenda

(1,072 posts)
39. Half of all, ALL emissions
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 08:25 AM
Aug 2022

have been pumped into the atmosphere in the last 20 fucking years! It's almost like it's being done ON PURPOSE.

Is someone/thing terraforming our planet?

Donkees

(31,468 posts)
45. Possibly World Meteorological Association - Prof Petteri Taalas (Secretary-General of WMA) (?)
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:36 AM
Aug 2022

Here's a World Meteorological Association link from 2014 mentioning the bell curve...


https://public.wmo.int/en/resources/bulletin/pinpointing-climate-change

Bulletin nº : Vol 63 (2) - 2014
By Audrey Resutek and Erwan Monier, MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change


The range of potential warming, for example, follows a bell curve, with the most likely change in temperature falling at the highest point of the curve. The farther you travel from the curve’s peak, toward the tails, the more unlikely the temperature change. While the extreme temperature increases at the curve’s tails are unlikely, they still fall within the realm of possibility, and are worth considering because they represent-worst case scenarios.


The biggest source of uncertainty
The MIT study1 published this spring in a special edition of Climatic Change, looked at how different sources of uncertainty affect estimates of future regional climate change in the United States – in other words, how do different factors affect the width of the range of estimates? The study concludes that lack of information about future climate policy is the biggest source of uncertainty over the next century for simulations of both temperature and precipitation change. Climate policy introduces uncertainty into the mix when researchers must try to predict what regulations will affect emissions in the future, leading to varying levels of global greenhouse gas emissions.




WMO Secretary-General Prof Petteri Taalas opening statement to the IPCC Working Group
II contribution to the Sixth Assessment Report

We are also talking about mental health. Part of the mental health challenge is apocalyptic
fears among young generations. We have to be careful how we communicate the results of
our science and tipping points and whether we talk about the collapse of the biosphere and
disappearance of mankind. We must careful about that and not to cause too much fear
among young people. The fear should be targeted towards decision makers not towards the
young people.

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2022/02/IPCC55-opening-remarks-WMO-SG.pdf

Uncle Joe

(58,427 posts)
3. And France has a a fair amount of nuclear power plants dependent on
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:06 PM
Aug 2022

its' rivers for cooling.

Thanks for the thread ItsjustMe

muriel_volestrangler

(101,382 posts)
46. Yeah, they're bending the rules to allow some to continue running
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 12:44 PM
Aug 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/frances-asn-nuclear-regulator-adapts-hot-water-discharge-rules-light-heatwave-2022-08-08/

Those reactors have enough water to remain safe, but the amount of hot water dumped back into the rivers is a wildlife risk, compared to the flow of water in them.

dalton99a

(81,610 posts)
4. Kick
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:07 PM
Aug 2022

People walk near a bank of the Loire River as historical drought hits France, in Loireauxence, France, August 16, 2022. REUTERS/Stephane Mahe




An aerial view shows a branch of the Loire River as historical drought hits France, in Loireauxence, France, August 16, 2022. REUTERS/Stephane Mahe

JHB

(37,163 posts)
22. My guess is they walked off at one of the regular stops when it could still move
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:36 PM
Aug 2022

Cruises would have been canceled before the river became unnavigable.

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
30. Agreed and we should have stopped at 2 billion.
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 12:27 AM
Aug 2022

Elon Musk say's there is too few of us and we should be at 50 billion.
800 million are at risk of starvation this winter (1 in 10) and its expected to get worse next year.
I have a personal prediction - within 5 years we will have a choice of feeding livestock or feeding people but not both. The cost of meat will prove my point.
-Airplane

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
31. So you're saying Thanos was the good guy.
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 01:03 AM
Aug 2022

Except not ambitious enough, 'cause he only dusted 4 billion.

DET

(1,324 posts)
14. Unbelievable
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 10:42 PM
Aug 2022

I had no idea this was happening. The Loire Valley is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

progree

(10,920 posts)
16. Oh it will be back -- rapidly carrying houses, cars, bodies, and topsoil to the sea
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:04 PM
Aug 2022

when we have the next climate-change-induced monster storm/flood.

LudwigPastorius

(9,181 posts)
19. It's not "gone", but it is low.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:14 PM
Aug 2022
https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-frances-loire-river-run-dry-in-august-2022/



✅ Yes, we are facing a serious #sécheresse [drought]. The flow la #Loire is very reduced, on certain sections at its lowest level since 1976.

❌ No, the river is not dry. By showing a dead arm, these photos are at least a dramatization of the situation.

KPN

(15,662 posts)
33. Thank you for the objectivity. Of course, it isn't good, but it's
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 01:13 AM
Aug 2022

not quite as bad as some cursory announcements make it out to be.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
20. This is not exactly correct. Its an estuary of the Loire that is shown here.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:17 PM
Aug 2022

Not the Loire river itself. Its not gone. In many locations it is at an historic low. If you read the french newspapers that is what you will see.

Estuaries are often very dry during period of prolonged drought. This has happened before. Of course, it's getting worse because of climate change but no, the Loire is not gone.


LeftInTX

(25,571 posts)
34. OK..That is explains why it is so wide!
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 01:13 AM
Aug 2022

We have rivers that go dry in Texas, but our rivers are basically creeks!

We don't have rivers with expansion bridges that go dry. The Rio Grande often goes dry, but are no bridges near the mouth of the river.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Thanks, Drrray23, and Progree, for the injection of honest information.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 12:53 PM
Aug 2022

Reality is more than alarming enough.

3Hotdogs

(12,429 posts)
26. Not quite as serious (yet). N.J. is in the beginning of drought. I volunteer in the
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 11:58 PM
Aug 2022

Great Swamp Watershed, clearing trails and rebuilding boardwalk. Some of us have upper body mosquito nets. We haven't had to wear them since May. We have boots to walk into the water from the boardwalk. Entering the water, boots would sink several inches. In past, we would joke about the swamp trying to steal our boots. Now we don't even have to wear boots.

Local ponds are empty of water. Streams where I hike are dry and where we used to look for rocks to cross streams, we now just walk across the dry stream bed.

spanone

(135,887 posts)
28. I recall An Inconvenient Truth.
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 12:21 AM
Aug 2022

We still have United States Senators that call Climate Change a Hoax.

IbogaProject

(2,844 posts)
38. I've seen scary predictions of runaway warming by 2026
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 05:31 PM
Aug 2022

This guy is a professor at Rutgers, he publishes under a pseudonym to reduce direct harassment from climate change deniers.

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/

The last time we were this far over 400 ppm CO2, the Earth was 20 degrees warmer overall. He says with such a short time frame, we may reach runaway warming. This at the most catastrophic extreme could lead to use loosing all our surface water. There is enough methane ice under the artic ocean to do this alone.

Another big point in this blog is that it takes a huge amount of energy to melt ice to one degree above freezing, where as any more heating takes much less energy.

newdayneeded

(1,959 posts)
43. To counter this news
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 09:49 AM
Aug 2022

some right wing congressman needs to throw a snowball on the congress floor.

Because you know, if it still snows, then there's no global warming....or something.

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