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(7,431 posts)It's almost like all those climate scientists were actually being very conservative with their publicized timeframe estimates so as not to be dismissed too readily by the public. Imagine that.
LT Barclay
(2,606 posts)bell curve with more extremes at either end with fewer papers supporting those views. I wish I could remember who it was, but he was at the end of recent severe impacts and everything we are seeing blew past his worst case for 100 years out. He said 5 years ago that our world would be unrecognizable in 20 years. I wish I could remember who so I could look up what he is saying now.
He's very dour, he's like the Chris Hedges of climate science.
misanthrope
(7,431 posts)You also have to factor in that those earlier projections are based on current usage from the past. The reality is that we haven't really slowed down terribly in our greenhouse gas emission, as was hoped for. Human beings -- JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ANIMAL -- will continue with a pattern of behavior until forced to change.
Brenda
(1,072 posts)have been pumped into the atmosphere in the last 20 fucking years! It's almost like it's being done ON PURPOSE.
Is someone/thing terraforming our planet?
PCIntern
(25,595 posts)The Arrival
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_(1996_film)?wprov=sfti1
Pretty good movie
.may not be science fiction
Brenda
(1,072 posts)With the weird melty aliens walking around...
Donkees
(31,468 posts)Here's a World Meteorological Association link from 2014 mentioning the bell curve...
https://public.wmo.int/en/resources/bulletin/pinpointing-climate-change
By Audrey Resutek and Erwan Monier, MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change
The range of potential warming, for example, follows a bell curve, with the most likely change in temperature falling at the highest point of the curve. The farther you travel from the curves peak, toward the tails, the more unlikely the temperature change. While the extreme temperature increases at the curves tails are unlikely, they still fall within the realm of possibility, and are worth considering because they represent-worst case scenarios.
The MIT study1 published this spring in a special edition of Climatic Change, looked at how different sources of uncertainty affect estimates of future regional climate change in the United States in other words, how do different factors affect the width of the range of estimates? The study concludes that lack of information about future climate policy is the biggest source of uncertainty over the next century for simulations of both temperature and precipitation change. Climate policy introduces uncertainty into the mix when researchers must try to predict what regulations will affect emissions in the future, leading to varying levels of global greenhouse gas emissions.
II contribution to the Sixth Assessment Report
We are also talking about mental health. Part of the mental health challenge is apocalyptic
fears among young generations. We have to be careful how we communicate the results of
our science and tipping points and whether we talk about the collapse of the biosphere and
disappearance of mankind. We must careful about that and not to cause too much fear
among young people. The fear should be targeted towards decision makers not towards the
young people.
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2022/02/IPCC55-opening-remarks-WMO-SG.pdf
elleng
(131,159 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,427 posts)its' rivers for cooling.
Thanks for the thread ItsjustMe
muriel_volestrangler
(101,382 posts)Those reactors have enough water to remain safe, but the amount of hot water dumped back into the rivers is a wildlife risk, compared to the flow of water in them.
dalton99a
(81,610 posts)People walk near a bank of the Loire River as historical drought hits France, in Loireauxence, France, August 16, 2022. REUTERS/Stephane Mahe
An aerial view shows a branch of the Loire River as historical drought hits France, in Loireauxence, France, August 16, 2022. REUTERS/Stephane Mahe
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,852 posts)Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)JHB
(37,163 posts)AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,852 posts)hay rick
(7,646 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,259 posts)AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,852 posts)JHB
(37,163 posts)Cruises would have been canceled before the river became unnavigable.
crickets
(25,983 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)sink in
roamer65
(36,747 posts)airplaneman
(1,240 posts)Elon Musk say's there is too few of us and we should be at 50 billion.
800 million are at risk of starvation this winter (1 in 10) and its expected to get worse next year.
I have a personal prediction - within 5 years we will have a choice of feeding livestock or feeding people but not both. The cost of meat will prove my point.
-Airplane
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Except not ambitious enough, 'cause he only dusted 4 billion.
KPN
(15,662 posts)yorkster
(1,508 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,458 posts)DET
(1,324 posts)I had no idea this was happening. The Loire Valley is one of the most beautiful places in the world.
BigmanPigman
(51,636 posts)Humans killing other humans for profit. Aren't we humans just so wonderful?
progree
(10,920 posts)when we have the next climate-change-induced monster storm/flood.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)well, actually not shocking at all.
LudwigPastorius
(9,181 posts)✅ Yes, we are facing a serious #sécheresse [drought]. The flow la #Loire is very reduced, on certain sections at its lowest level since 1976.
❌ No, the river is not dry. By showing a dead arm, these photos are at least a dramatization of the situation.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)KPN
(15,662 posts)not quite as bad as some cursory announcements make it out to be.
drray23
(7,637 posts)Not the Loire river itself. Its not gone. In many locations it is at an historic low. If you read the french newspapers that is what you will see.
Estuaries are often very dry during period of prolonged drought. This has happened before. Of course, it's getting worse because of climate change but no, the Loire is not gone.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)LeftInTX
(25,571 posts)We have rivers that go dry in Texas, but our rivers are basically creeks!
We don't have rivers with expansion bridges that go dry. The Rio Grande often goes dry, but are no bridges near the mouth of the river.
KPN
(15,662 posts)Heh, the person who posted that tweet shut down the reply function.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Reality is more than alarming enough.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,382 posts)See #19 for a link with more details. Here's Google Maps for it:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Varades,+44370+Loireauxence,+France/%4047.3689351,-0.9999537,4040m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48061ee023cf7481:0x68179000a9741ae8!8m2!3d47.385079!4d-1.029958
3Hotdogs
(12,429 posts)Great Swamp Watershed, clearing trails and rebuilding boardwalk. Some of us have upper body mosquito nets. We haven't had to wear them since May. We have boots to walk into the water from the boardwalk. Entering the water, boots would sink several inches. In past, we would joke about the swamp trying to steal our boots. Now we don't even have to wear boots.
Local ponds are empty of water. Streams where I hike are dry and where we used to look for rocks to cross streams, we now just walk across the dry stream bed.
Owl
(3,644 posts)spanone
(135,887 posts)We still have United States Senators that call Climate Change a Hoax.
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)IbogaProject
(2,844 posts)This guy is a professor at Rutgers, he publishes under a pseudonym to reduce direct harassment from climate change deniers.
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/
The last time we were this far over 400 ppm CO2, the Earth was 20 degrees warmer overall. He says with such a short time frame, we may reach runaway warming. This at the most catastrophic extreme could lead to use loosing all our surface water. There is enough methane ice under the artic ocean to do this alone.
Another big point in this blog is that it takes a huge amount of energy to melt ice to one degree above freezing, where as any more heating takes much less energy.
Emile
(22,960 posts)newdayneeded
(1,959 posts)some right wing congressman needs to throw a snowball on the congress floor.
Because you know, if it still snows, then there's no global warming....or something.