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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJesse Kelly goes full authoritarian on Twitter
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So, where do I begin here?
Would he would like to explain how disenfranchising different people - women, people of certain ages, etc., will make our country and our people more free, not less free? How is less more in his warped mind?
Also, please enlighten me in any ways how we owe the Founding Fathers or are in any way obligated to live exactly how they lived in the 18th Century here in the 21st Century. We can thank them for setting this country up, but times change.
Lets even look at what one of the Founding Fathers said.
I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times, - Thomas Jefferson.
Do we also want to take a look at the Constitution and its preamble?
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
In order to form a *more perfect* union, and the founders gave us the right to update and change the Constitution as we see fit.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude, - Fifteenth Amendment
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex, - Nineteenth Amendment
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age, - Twenty-Sixth Amendment.
So, it takes two-thirds of Congress to ratify an amendment. Youd never get 67 votes to repeal these amendments, with Im sure even Republicans joining in to vote no. In fact, Im not even sure the extreme SCOTUS would strike these down due to being enumerated. Heck, SCOTUS voted 8-1 not to grant cert to a case asking to overturn New York Times vs. Sullivan.
The only way this could ever happen would be the Convention of States, which is still a ways to go.
This is a sore loser who doesnt like everybody voting. Well, hes free to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Also, would this genius like to tell me if theres pushback to Dobbs what kind of blowback women and people and color would have if there were serious efforts to outright disenfranchise them like out here?
As a straight, white male, I want voting rights for all to remain how they are.
Im guessing many loving husbands would also stick with their wives and children. Im sure some are rotten to betray their loved ones, but not a majority.
Jesse Kelly, by the way was born in 1981, falling in between his 35-65 range. So, under his rules, hed still get to vote. How convenient, and what are the odds of something so coincidental like that?
Ocelot II
(115,719 posts)rownesheck
(2,343 posts)Social media gives people "status" they wouldn't normally achieve.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)...is what makes it a "free society"...
or is it just everyone having a bunch of guns?
EnergizedLib
(1,895 posts)Everyone having guns, not wearing masks and not getting vaxxed.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)EnergizedLib
(1,895 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,504 posts)Not much else to conclude.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)They call it "mob rule" and absolutely believe the Founding Fathers didn't want true democracy.
At this point, I don't give AF what the Founding Fathers wanted. I'm tired of hearing about it.
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)and in all my time I have N E V E R heard a "conservative" have any kind of honest discussion when the start up with their talking for the founding fathers bullshit.
I mean, I was a very young man in my early 20s and knew it was all bullshit.
EnergizedLib
(1,895 posts)Minority rule? A certain few subjecting the rest of the country to Draconian laws?
People saw how well that worked out in apartheid South Africa.
Here are some things that happened before the 15th, 19th and 26th Amendments.
- Shays Rebellion, Whiskey Rebellion
- Alien and Sedition Acts
- War of 1812, including our White House burned down by another country
- Popular Sovereignty
- Panic of 1837
- Trail of Tears
- Bleeding Kansas
- Antebellum Period
- Civil War
- Slavery
Its not like everything was all grand when only white men voted.