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Siwsan

(26,263 posts)
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 07:56 AM Aug 2022

Apologies if this John Fugelsang post has already been shared. It's just so good.

We were talking about her, last night. Everyone agreed that she deserved a bit of respect for taking a stand she KNEW would result in her losing in the primary. But that's where it ends. At her core, she remains an un-evolved right wing troglodyte.

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Apologies if this John Fugelsang post has already been shared. It's just so good. (Original Post) Siwsan Aug 2022 OP
Insufficient Evil... MiHale Aug 2022 #1
So? I think most of us realize that, however, doesn't make sense to use her advocacy against JohnSJ Aug 2022 #2
I will accept her help for now localroger Aug 2022 #4
Exactly JohnSJ Aug 2022 #5
This... I don't know why some DUers constantly harrangue that she's conservative & not a hlthe2b Aug 2022 #8
Well said JohnSJ Aug 2022 #13
I've only harrangued those posts that were basically tongue-baths to her. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #23
I haven't seen that. Gore1FL Aug 2022 #15
I don't think the point of that meme is to characterize her. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #22
Nice Just_Vote_Dem Aug 2022 #3
I disagree with the majority of her political positions. The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #6
He shot a man, then didn't report it until they were sober.,,, Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #7
Well, a shotgun isn't really a gun. The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #9
Depends on the caliber of the buck shot Ray Bruns Aug 2022 #10
Bingo DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #25
Bird shot. colorado_ufo Aug 2022 #29
My sarcasm didn't show through. Sorry The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #34
Good one! 😁 Duppers Aug 2022 #30
& yet, the crumb she tosses our way is to be used and appreciated. UTUSN Aug 2022 #11
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Aug 2022 #12
Sure says a lot about the repug base when Liz Cheney isn't shitty enough to Hotler Aug 2022 #14
The enemy of my enemy.... Marcuse Aug 2022 #16
Also let's not overly celebrate and praise a woman who celebrated the ending of Roe v wade🖕🏾🖕🏾 Heather MC Aug 2022 #17
It's like the old (now sexist) MIlton Berle joke... 3825-87867 Aug 2022 #18
Agree with him, yet feel we have to take help where we find it. Do like him, 'tho. Recall first allegorical oracle Aug 2022 #19
Link to the original tweet kst Aug 2022 #20
On that note on evil jerseyjim Aug 2022 #21
Exactly. She is NOT our friend. calimary Aug 2022 #24
If Liz Cheney were a liberal, she'd just be another in a long line to criticize Trump. summer_in_TX Aug 2022 #26
I will acknowledge her courage in backing the Jan 6th committee and calling out Trumpists, BUT Martin68 Aug 2022 #27
OK, I'm going to commit heresy. flashman13 Aug 2022 #28
Liz Cheney is *NOT* our friend MurrayDelph Aug 2022 #31
I agree. LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #32
Excellent! BlueMTexpat Aug 2022 #33

JohnSJ

(92,204 posts)
2. So? I think most of us realize that, however, doesn't make sense to use her advocacy against
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 08:08 AM
Aug 2022

trump and his followers, who are essentially the republican party, to propel Democrats into office?

That is why I see very little advantage, two months before the midterms, to characterize her as "insufficent evil"

localroger

(3,626 posts)
4. I will accept her help for now
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 08:27 AM
Aug 2022

The US and Russia were allies in WW2. What happened later was, well, later. I'm sure I won't be Liz Cheney's ally a few years from now, but that's a few years from now and right now we can use all the help we can get.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
8. This... I don't know why some DUers constantly harrangue that she's conservative & not a
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 08:55 AM
Aug 2022

Liberal heroine as if the majority of DUers were unsophisticated, uneducated bumpkins. Honestly, how many here are naive' enough to think she is on our side on all things and NOT ONLY on the issue of Trump and the constitution? The latter is quite enough for the moment and most Americans DO realize that risks to our democracy are the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE facing the nation (per recent polling).

Yet some feel that focusing on the risks to our democracy is somehow the same as FORGETTING our own values and those who don't share many/most of them. ENOUGH! For those who truly believe that praising Liz Cheney for doing ONE THING in her career that benefits democracy is somehow the same as supporting her for future office, well, I'm glad they weren't around to harangue FDR about his choice of necessary if distasteful allies to defeat Hitler and. HIrohito. Maybe time to learn from history, eh?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
23. I've only harrangued those posts that were basically tongue-baths to her.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 12:46 PM
Aug 2022

Most here do realize what a vile snake she is, and that there is a good reason for her to co-chair the J6 committee and her help there should be gladly accepted for exactly what it is.

But not quite everyone. There were some who do need to be reminded.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
15. I haven't seen that.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:51 AM
Aug 2022

I personally enjoy watching them bloody themselves. I don't think she is worthy of praise, though because she fights for good causes 1 in every 1000 times rather than every 1001.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
22. I don't think the point of that meme is to characterize her.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 12:42 PM
Aug 2022

The point I take is that as bad as she is, she isn't bad enough for today's republicons.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
6. I disagree with the majority of her political positions.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 08:46 AM
Aug 2022

But I still want her to go hunting with Trump. Her daddy taught her how to shoot.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
9. Well, a shotgun isn't really a gun.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 08:59 AM
Aug 2022

It is kinda like having a bb gun fight. Come on the guy got a couple of new pimples. No harm no foul.
If trump was a real man he would go hunting with Liz.
It would be great if a reporter would ask him to go hunting with Liz.

DENVERPOPS

(8,827 posts)
25. Bingo
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 04:02 PM
Aug 2022

My 1897 Winchester shot gun would tend to disagree, esp with magnum loads of OO

AKA known as the Trench Sweeper in WWI

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
29. Bird shot.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 06:25 PM
Aug 2022

Buck shot is lethal..

Anyway I seem to recall that it was Cheney's own lawyer that he shot. Maybe they settled out of court.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
34. My sarcasm didn't show through. Sorry
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 08:16 AM
Aug 2022

Let's not get into the weeds with what is an assault weapon.
Yes a shotgun will blow a huge hole in you. It was the gun that won the west.

Hotler

(11,425 posts)
14. Sure says a lot about the repug base when Liz Cheney isn't shitty enough to
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:50 AM
Aug 2022

be in their group anymore. Liz is on the 1/6 committee to protect NEOCON interest and that's it. James Baker III, fixer for the BFEE is retired, Liz is taking over. A lot of hard work went into starting wars for profit and stealing the money to have the fascist steal it from them.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
17. Also let's not overly celebrate and praise a woman who celebrated the ending of Roe v wade🖕🏾🖕🏾
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:11 AM
Aug 2022

3825-87867

(850 posts)
18. It's like the old (now sexist) MIlton Berle joke...
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:14 AM
Aug 2022

Paraphrased for today.

Mixed emotions.
It's like watching "Trump" driving off a cliff in your new Ferrari.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
19. Agree with him, yet feel we have to take help where we find it. Do like him, 'tho. Recall first
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:16 AM
Aug 2022

seeing him on Ed Schultz's MSNBC talk show. Miss Schultz these days, too.

kst

(69 posts)
20. Link to the original tweet
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 11:01 AM
Aug 2022



It's better to link to the tweet than to post an image of it (that not everyone can read).

jerseyjim

(129 posts)
21. On that note on evil
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 11:06 AM
Aug 2022

In the news, this morning, a Republican politician said that Biden's forgiving student debt was "not fair to students who had to pay".
That's like saying "if I was screwed, everyone else after me should be screwed."

Change for the better? Yikes! We can't have that!

calimary

(81,295 posts)
24. Exactly. She is NOT our friend.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 03:27 PM
Aug 2022

She just didn’t check all the boxes that define “not our friend”.

She’s the proverbial “broken clock” that’s still right twice a day. But that’s it. All the other times in the same day, no way.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
26. If Liz Cheney were a liberal, she'd just be another in a long line to criticize Trump.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 04:38 PM
Aug 2022

Her value is that she is a conservative and she recognizes and effectively calls out Trump and his many enablers.

We don't need her to convert to being a liberal. We need her exactly as she is. A conservative fighting with every fiber of her being to stop Trump from being re-elected in 2024 and to stop the authoritarian takeover of the country.

We need her in the job of warrior for democracy, not president. A good thing because there is no path for her to actually become president. Perhaps she'll run, but she knows as much as any other that she cannot win a Republican primary or a Democratic one and that running as an independent would threaten to split the vote and allow Trump to win.

Martin68

(22,803 posts)
27. I will acknowledge her courage in backing the Jan 6th committee and calling out Trumpists, BUT
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 05:27 PM
Aug 2022

we should never forget that she is an ultra-conservative Republican who would be a disaster as president.

flashman13

(666 posts)
28. OK, I'm going to commit heresy.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 06:05 PM
Aug 2022

Let's cut Liz just a little slake. First of all, she is not a bigoted Christian asshole. Both she and her father (NO slake for for Dick the war monger!!) both came around on gay people. And I'm not sure I agree with all the things she's supposedly against. I am old enough to remember when conservative was not synonymous with evil. The fact is that the current Repug party is not the least bit conservative. It is a party of radical reactionaries and religious nuts. I don't think we should condemn Liz for her past. History will not remember her for her past, but it will remember her for her stand against Trump. Let's look to the future. In my opinion the Repug party is going to collapse into an isolated wingnut minority party and the true conservatives will coalesce around people like Liz, Kinzinger, Murkowski, George Conway and yes, even Mitt to form an actual conservative party. I believe a sane conservative party would be good for the country. I live in a red state, but I know many people that would gravitate to a new party. Let's not act like Repugs and automatically stereotype people as evil just because they have honest philosophical disagreements with us. Remember, compromise is the essence of democracy.

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
31. Liz Cheney is *NOT* our friend
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:12 PM
Aug 2022

She is currently an enemy of our enemy.

There is a difference. The enemy of my enemy is using me to accomplish their goals, but is quite willing to turn on us when the higher-priority enemy is taken care of.

Failing to recognize this is how we got the Taliban.

LudwigPastorius

(9,148 posts)
32. I agree.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:06 PM
Aug 2022

Rep. Cheney (or Kinzinger) should not be lionized for clearing the lowest bar of honoring her oath to defend the Constitution.

...while the rest of the Congressional GOP should be excoriated for breaking theirs.

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