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PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:17 AM Aug 2022

I am good and goddamn sick and tired...

First, of the media referring to Trump as President Trump. After President Obama left office, he was constantly referred to as “former President Obama”, or howzabout “former president Clinton”, or “former President Carter”. Note that when a Republican either finishes his term or is “retired” from his office (Nixon) it remains “President”. As Gerald Ford found out after his talks of a co-presidency with Reagan, there’s only one president at a time, like it or not. I understand the use of the term as a term of respect in addressing or referring to that person, but the duplicity of the media coupled with the incessant use of and by Trump calling himself the 45th President of the United States, implying that there is no 46th president yet, is and has devalued the nature of the term of respect.

Second, the media has been talking about the coming “red wave“ since the day President Biden was inaugurated. They have staked their reputations on it and their predictive powers. If you notice, so-called policy Wonks like Jonathan Lemire and Steve Kornacki incessantly preface every discussion about any election with the “fact“ that the party in power in the White House does poorly in general in the midterm election. Every. Goddamn. Time. As though those people watching this Network have not heard it 15,000 times in the last 18 months. Oh, and did I mention that the party in power in the White House tends to have problems in the midterm elections? I’m surprised that every fourth sentence is not “do remember to flush the toilet after you use it.“ And of course, last nights elections did not go the way in some respects that these people predicted, so they have an almost cartoonish surprised look. How could this be? Dumbasses.

Third, and what does it take for these jerkoffs to realize that with Trump and his minions there is no limit to their perfidy, and no bottom to their amorality? Those of us old enough to remember the Gulf War certainly recalled the coverage we are in the reporters would make the statement preceding their report “Saddam Hussein today said XYZ…“. And then they would report what he said as though it was factual and would wait for it to be overturned by Obvious video footage, or the state department or the defense department explaining exactly why what he said was not true. When I was a kid and news reporters reported news only, the networks, particularly NBC with Chet Huntley and David Brinkley, would report a story which occurred say in the Soviet Union and then at the end of their report would state what Pravda or Tass had reported which was generally A minimization or denial of the story’s existence. Now, we have not only Fox News doing that, but it seems our own media is complicit in attempting to minimize the absolute criminality of the previous administration. The way this is taught in high school classes is that you substitute a positive person in the narrative and say what would happen to him or her if he or she did that? For example, suppose President Obama took 400 sheets/folios of highly classified paper home? One can only imagine the repercussions both by the Republicans and by our media. This guy Trump lied 100,000 times at least, stole highly sensitive material, performed giveaways of secrets from the day he was inaugurated, worked out a deal with the Saudis so his son-in-law could collect $2 billion which I’m certain will be funneled somehow to Senior, and untold crimes of which we as yet know nothing. It is revolting and some days I almost can’t stop throwing up.

These are a few of my “favorite” things…

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I am good and goddamn sick and tired... (Original Post) PCIntern Aug 2022 OP
Wall-o-text paragraphs are difficult to read for many of us, just so you know ;) Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #1
Eh, it was fine. LisaM Aug 2022 #31
Thanks for stating that, because I thought I was alone on feeling that way. Butterflylady Aug 2022 #46
Well said, good doc. Thank you. CurtEastPoint Aug 2022 #2
I share your disgust for the msm BSdetect Aug 2022 #3
Had Gore been elected, we would would not have had United...everywhere I look, I see missed Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #23
I am also sick and tired for the same things. I miss fact-based reporting with no opining. Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #4
Not just requiring... SuperCoder Aug 2022 #54
Media bias can be subtle but it's always there. lpbk2713 Aug 2022 #5
No small wonder media bias is always towards the Republicans DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #40
I do not keep loose objects laying around my TV Chipper Chat Aug 2022 #6
This MIGHT help! 3825-87867 Aug 2022 #15
I'm not too sure modern tvs can stand up to that dingosatemyusername Aug 2022 #48
I quit television news and opinion shortly after September 11, 2001 hunter Aug 2022 #16
I've been off and on, but now I'm off cable for good. ananda Aug 2022 #28
We have some local "news" folks say KarenS Aug 2022 #7
Write them a letter. calimary Aug 2022 #27
Thank you, you are absolutely right wendyb-NC Aug 2022 #8
Not only to THIS nation DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #41
Thank you, yes, excellent point wendyb-NC Aug 2022 #42
Agree totally, although for the first time Im starting to feel like there maybe hope he is held Pepsidog Aug 2022 #9
I absolutely cannot fathom why anyone would expect any degree of respect notinkansas Aug 2022 #34
Let's hope they treat him like any other traitor. We are over him and his tactics. Pepsidog Aug 2022 #37
Yup! This is why I for one refuse to watch PortTack Aug 2022 #10
Spot on. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author live love laugh Aug 2022 #12
Sure is much c/o the media these days GusBob Aug 2022 #13
Media never mentions the biggest exception to "the party in power" axiom. halfulglas Aug 2022 #14
... catbyte Aug 2022 #17
I'm waiting for them to say, "Imprisoned Donald Trump" or Ilsa Aug 2022 #18
+++ llashram Aug 2022 #21
This is why I don't watch. Spot on. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #19
exactly llashram Aug 2022 #20
K & R BadgerMom Aug 2022 #22
Great rant and I agree. housecat Aug 2022 #24
Right on point!!! n/t iluvtennis Aug 2022 #25
Well said! CaptainTruth Aug 2022 #26
Absolutely agree with you. gademocrat7 Aug 2022 #29
First one, you've got a point, he should me Mister TFG Warpy Aug 2022 #30
Can't tell you how many times I'm screaming back at the media, "HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT" Cozmo Aug 2022 #32
You keep turning me into a PCIntern dittohead! Solomon Aug 2022 #33
LOL!!! PCIntern Aug 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Baked Potato Aug 2022 #35
Well written, on point JustAnotherGen Aug 2022 #38
Thank you, sir. Well written, as always. And on point. GoneOffShore Aug 2022 #39
Oligarchs, who own most of the media we 'consume', favor a fascist oligarchy. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #43
The trouble is we are aware of the media and its owners using it as tools of manipulation. Brainfodder Aug 2022 #44
Former President pressbox69 Aug 2022 #45
Always look forward Butterflylady Aug 2022 #47
Hooray for PCIntern. GreenWave Aug 2022 #49
"suppose President Obama took 400 sheets/folios of highly classified paper home? BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #50
FO to the m$m .. I did in 2002. Cancel Cha Aug 2022 #51
TWO BILLION $ funneled to Senior homegirl Aug 2022 #52
Change Your Language stillspkg Aug 2022 #53
Been watching this unfold for decades. Mike Niendorff Aug 2022 #55
FWIW, I totally agree, and sent your OP and thread to MSNBC. ariadne0614 Aug 2022 #56

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
3. I share your disgust for the msm
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:22 AM
Aug 2022

Seems like unless we take the money out of politics we are doomed to put up with crap.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
23. Had Gore been elected, we would would not have had United...everywhere I look, I see missed
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 11:09 AM
Aug 2022

opportunities...Let's get out the vote and blow those MF GOP types out of the water this midterm.

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
4. I am also sick and tired for the same things. I miss fact-based reporting with no opining.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:31 AM
Aug 2022

Ultimately the corporate owners decide, like CNN shifting in the last few days to require more RW coverage.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
40. No small wonder media bias is always towards the Republicans
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 03:45 PM
Aug 2022

With 80+% of ALL media owned and operated by Republicans........

Chipper Chat

(9,680 posts)
6. I do not keep loose objects laying around my TV
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 09:53 AM
Aug 2022

Because I want to throw it at the screen when watching Elsie Stephanic say president trump president trump president trump president trump this president trump did that I support president trump et cetera

hunter

(38,316 posts)
16. I quit television news and opinion shortly after September 11, 2001
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:23 AM
Aug 2022

Quit broadcast and cable television entirely about ten years later.

Both were bad for my mental health.

Our television plays movies and amusing television shows, commercial free. That's all it does.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
27. Write them a letter.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 11:20 AM
Aug 2022

And cc it to their management.

So they know others have seen it and it’s not as easy to dismiss or shrug off “like it never even happened”.

Maybe write a letter to the editor of your local paper about it.

Yes, that’ll take a little extra work (looking up the addressee’s boss or bosses), but the impact will be far greater and harder to ignore.

The more eyes are on this, the greater, broader, and more powerful the impact.

wendyb-NC

(3,327 posts)
8. Thank you, you are absolutely right
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:03 AM
Aug 2022

Tfg is has been, is and continues to be one of the greatest threats of all time, to this nation. He needs to be in prison, not glossed over by much of the media and politicians on the right. There is no place for a public enemy, or an enemy operative, like him and his minions. I fear for my children and grand children.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
41. Not only to THIS nation
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 03:46 PM
Aug 2022

but to the entire world, and our planet for that matter.

The same can be said of all Republican Politicians, esp at the Federal Level.........

wendyb-NC

(3,327 posts)
42. Thank you, yes, excellent point
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 04:21 PM
Aug 2022

He's toxic and a danger to all nations, and their citizens and all living creatures, on the planet.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
9. Agree totally, although for the first time Im starting to feel like there maybe hope he is held
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:05 AM
Aug 2022

accountable. What does justice look like for an ape like TFG. I can see a plea to criminal charges related to the stealing of Top Secret docs with a prison term. That said, citing security concerns or some other BS, it will be some type of home confinement if that exists in the Federal system. He cannot walk on these offenses but I also cannot envision putting an extra-president in jail. That’s where he belongs but just don’t see it actually happening. Imagine processing TFG for prison. He will he told to strip naked, bend over and cough. A revolting thought, I know.

notinkansas

(1,096 posts)
34. I absolutely cannot fathom why anyone would expect any degree of respect
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 12:47 PM
Aug 2022

to be shown to someone who had zero respect for the office or the country.

At this point he is just another guy who committed serious crimes and deserves the same treatment any other criminal would get.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. Sure is much c/o the media these days
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:20 AM
Aug 2022

some days both sides

I remember the Gulf War coverage, all that yapping about WMD's

Thats when I stopped watching TV. News and "reality" TV was bullcrapsickles. Mark Burnett ,Survivor was popular at the time, and then later foisted Donald Trump upon our nation. And we had a president who sat around watching TV something like 12 hours a day

Did they ever find them WMD's?

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
14. Media never mentions the biggest exception to "the party in power" axiom.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:20 AM
Aug 2022

It's In Time Of War. And at the present time the Republicans, especially MAGAts, are waging war on Democracy, war on Truth, war on Democrats, war on education, war on the civility. I don't know how many recognize this but I'm pretty sure some feel this in their being without using the words. I have relatives living in deep red country that are trying to move out but because of financial considerations are for the present feeling trapped in enemy territory.

As an example of the war on Truth look at how this past "anniversary of Biden's horrible withdrawal from Afghanistan failure" has been treated in the media in just the past weeks. The failure was Trump's. Biden did a remarkable job in getting out what he did get out. He prioritized what he could. The media almost gleefully showed the chaos at the airport and deemed it a failure. The fact that we are out set Biden up for better dealing with Ukraine. If we were still mired in Afghanistan, we would never be able to have the robust support for Ukraine and Europe we do. To much of the rest of the world we are again a stable partner who can be counted on.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
18. I'm waiting for them to say, "Imprisoned Donald Trump" or
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:27 AM
Aug 2022

"Convicted President Trump".

Psalm 109: 6-15

They say about me, “Have an evil person work against him,
and let an accuser stand against him.
7 When he is judged, let him be found guilty,
and let even his prayers show his guilt.
8 Let his life be cut short,
and let another man replace him as leader.
9 Let his children become orphans
and his wife a widow.
10 Make his children wander around, begging for food.
Let them be forced out of the ruins in which they live.
11 Let the people to whom he owes money take everything he owns,
and let strangers steal everything he has worked for.
12 Let no one show him love
or have mercy on his orphaned children.
13 Let all his descendants die
and be forgotten by those who live after him.
14 Lord, remember how wicked his ancestors were,
and don’t let the sins of his mother be wiped out.
15 Lord, always remember their sins.
Then make people forget about them completely.

housecat

(3,121 posts)
24. Great rant and I agree.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 11:13 AM
Aug 2022

(Please try half the width -- 10 not 20 words per line. Some posts are often skipped because they are too hard to read. Thanks)

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
30. First one, you've got a point, he should me Mister TFG
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 11:51 AM
Aug 2022

at this point, especially, when his wretched behavior is being exposed every day. He no longer has the power to eject reporters by lifting their WH press passes, they don't have to walk on eggshells around that fucking narcissist traitor.

Second, the press are lazy fuckers. The pattern in this country has been to have Congress dominated by the opposition party since god was a lad, it ensures no party will be able to act like the Republicans have acted for decades. That might not be the case now. However, let them keep their fantasy going, it will help to GOTV.

Third, he's still great for ratings, so they'll breathlessly report on his reaction to the judicial system, if not on the crimes that provoked it. See: lazy fuckers.

I'll be glad when this is over, he either drops dead of sheer spite or is imprisoned for at least one crime. Only then will the press have to move on to more boring but no less important news.

I've been reading more and more offshore press to get the news. TFG doesn't dominate their media, although the bastard is there, too. You can tell by the unladylike language in this post that I'm sick and tired of this shit, too.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
38. Well written, on point
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 01:59 PM
Aug 2022

The thing that gets me about the pundits and their 'polling' and so-called expertise?

This midterm is different than all of the others.

1876 (Hayes v. Tildren) created a Constitutional Crisis as to 'who really won'. Talk of another Civil War . . .
1877 - would see the end of Reconstruction - in order to get Hayes the required electoral votes.
1878 - Change election with a third party (Greenback) taking seats from both the Democratic Party and the Republicans.


2020 - MF45 creates a Constitution Crisis in advance of the election (rigging, and all kinds of lies and nonsense)
2021 - Major coup attempt - Pentagon Involvement, Ongoing
2022 - Change election. Democratic Party Voters and Independents show up in order to stop the coup and the stripping of rights of the invidual.


This midterm looks like 1878 to me.


ETA - I could also argue we are in mini Gilded Age.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
43. Oligarchs, who own most of the media we 'consume', favor a fascist oligarchy.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 06:22 PM
Aug 2022

The theocracy being promoted elsewhere and within the radicalized Republican party is to rile up and ultimately control the peasants in order to keep electing the party that gives tax breaks to the rich, suppresses voters, and deregulates industry. An alternative reality must be presented in public education and media in order to gain and maintain control, because the majority of voters don't favor the agenda of the radicalized Republican party. The indoctrination and suppression will continue until submission occurs.

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
44. The trouble is we are aware of the media and its owners using it as tools of manipulation.
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 06:25 PM
Aug 2022

They not so much?

BumRushDaShow

(129,064 posts)
50. "suppose President Obama took 400 sheets/folios of highly classified paper home?
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 07:37 PM
Aug 2022

One can only imagine the repercussions".

We saw what happened with one particular person...



I know this had been posted before and someone just posted again recently (and I found the graphic and link to the research) -



Partisanship, Propaganda, and Disinformation: Online Media and the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election

(and as a note, the "online" bit was amplified by broadcast and print media because "online" that became their sources)

Cha

(297,275 posts)
51. FO to the m$m .. I did in 2002. Cancel
Wed Aug 24, 2022, 10:32 PM
Aug 2022

CNN & any other outlet that promotes fucking Fascism!

Mahalo for your OP!

homegirl

(1,429 posts)
52. TWO BILLION $ funneled to Senior
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 02:48 AM
Aug 2022

in exchange for what? My opinion is the documents in those 20+ BOXES stolen from the White House.


stillspkg

(93 posts)
53. Change Your Language
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 04:24 AM
Aug 2022

I won’t apologize that the language in your title is totally offensive. I have appreciated your insight in the past, however, I couldn’t get past yoir title today.

This is one of the problems with our people. Free speech, right? Nothing sacred. Normalize. Hypocrisy.

Mike Niendorff

(3,462 posts)
55. Been watching this unfold for decades.
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 06:14 AM
Aug 2022

"President Bill Clinton" --> "Clinton"

"President George W Bush" --> "Former President George W Bush"

"President Barack Obama" --> "Obama"

"President Donald Trump" --> "Former President Donald Trump"

... and, more than frequently ...

"President Donald Trump" --> "President Donald Trump"


There's a pattern here, and I'm amazed it's taken this long for people to start catching on.


MDN

ariadne0614

(1,730 posts)
56. FWIW, I totally agree, and sent your OP and thread to MSNBC.
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 08:52 AM
Aug 2022

It would be nice if everyone who feels this way would take a moment to let them know. We need to get at least as loud as the MAGATs.

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