If You Take Out A Loan, You Pay It Back

[ItsjustMe]

[JoanofArgh]

1. He should have stopped at his first sentence.

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[jimfields33]

5. I don't like homosexuality involved in this

especially when it’s meant as a slur. Why do people get away with that? I am gay and don’t like that.

[JoanofArgh]

7. I didn't even read the bottom sentence! I'm deleting my comment. Sorry.

[jimfields33]

12. Oh no problem. Thank you!

[tavernier]

17. Am I wrong or isn't fellatio something that both sexes practice?

I know I’m old but I don’t think it became a strictly gay thing in modern times.

[OneBro]

21. Same here.

I didn’t read it as remotely homophobic. Seems more like an act of intimacy or, at worst, submission.

[soldierant]

46. Submission definitely

and possibly compensation. Not that sex work can't be ligitimate ... but trafficking, not so much.

[Farmer-Rick]

27. Fellatio is for everyone

LBGTQ+ and straight.

[Tarc]

18. Last I checked, fellatio isn't exclusively a male-male experience

Enough with the pearl-clutching, please.

[TurboDem]

28. As a gay man I agree with your reply 100%!

[LudwigPastorius]

44. ...particularly since there are female GOP members of the House Judiciary Committee.

I think it's intended to be an "equal opportunity" comment.

[The Jungle 1]

50. I just don't understand how anything abouty fellatio ever became negative.

I guess the point could be made that fellatio is not something negative when practiced by hetro folks. It becomes negative when practiced by males. Because then you are a ---- sucker. That occurs because people are afraid of what goes on in their own minds. Good sex is 100% in your head.
Wow now that is a debate.

[inthewind21]

54. Exactly

[TheBeam19]

60. +1

[Collimator]

23. I appreciate your point. . .

. . . and respect your perspective. What the the writer was trying to convey was the idea of extreme ass-kissing and he (or she) was looking for a grittier way to express that.

Again, your point of view is important to consider and I care about your feelings. The question is how do we express certain kinds of strong emotion and contempt for people who are functioning as the toadies (toad lovers okay with that ?) and mouth pieces for the money-hoarding people in power who are profiting off of predatory policies?

Human nature being what it is, people use sexual and scatological references to express anger and scorn. They also use animal references (note, "toady" above), which many animal rights activists object to.

[jimfields33]

32. I appreciate your reply so much.

I totally understand human nature and I even believe that they didn’t really have any bad intentions with it. It just annoys me. I think they could’ve said something like “these Republicans continue to support bad people and it has become a trend with them. When are we going to stop allowing this and calling out this behavior”. We cannot be quiet about it we need to yelled from the rooftops every day. Just a thought.

[Marcuse]

52. Yes. "Fuck you!" should be a term of endearment. The polite reply: "Thanks, fuck you very much too"

Human nature being what it is, people use sexual and scatological references to express anger and scorn.

[Collimator]

66. George Carlin made that point once. . .

. . . Or so I believe.

[whathehell]

57. Except that we DO have rules about "graphic content" on DU..

This is a Political site, not a Porn site, so sharing sex

fantasies here just MIGHT be a tad inappropriate, not

to mention downright offensive.

[KPN]

34. +++

Good on you for speaking up.

[themaguffin]

65. Agreed. It's also more concise and meaningful that way. Now it reads as juvenile.

[brush]

2. Exactly. And those institutions know what they're doing...

as opposed to most college students who are financially illiterate and just want to get an education because they've been told all their lives that you need a college education to get a good job.

But no one told them about the crippling payments that would come with those loans after they get out of school.

And I'm one who paid off my loans.

[halfulglas]

58. I think those forms you fill out are deliberately confusing not just for the students.

I think they've gotten worse since the 90s. We ended up paying for our son's college because we couldn't understand how much he would be eligible for. We ended up glad we didn't end up with him saddled with debt. His choices, good or bad, were for what he thought he wanted, not needed. He's not in the field he majored in in college, but glad he got the education.

Remember the slick mortgage brokers back in the 70s when pushing a more expensive house because "you'll get raises every year so you can afford a little more?" But somehow you didn't always get that raise you were expecting. That's what the schtick about taking out student loans so you can get that "good job" and get raises, etc. is like. You come out to a flat market and you don't get the job you want, the one you got the education for, and settle for enough to pay your loans.

Those loans that students are pushed to take out more than they need can be tempting, but they are sometimes urged to use to "help" a family member in need or something other than education. This is predatory.

[Joinfortmill]

3. Yikes! True, though.

[MontanaMama]

4. I had to look up turgid.

Dark Brandon 2024!

[erronis]

14. The (r)epuglicon critters are very familiar with "turgid" and "pornography", etc.

That's why they try to project their own "feelings" onto others.

[Celerity]

24. a turgid tiny mushroom

[MontanaMama]

40. Oh dear.

I may not be able to sleep tonight with that hideous thought.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

6. Had this follow this account.

[wiggs]

8. House GOP: only the wealthy should receive an education...and...our country doesn't need

an educated citizenry anyway.

[SouthernDem4ever]

64. the election of trump proves they don't even need an educated president

[Kingofalldems]

10. Wow, Trump's yeoman GOP buddies

desperate to go after Biden while ignoring their traitorous hero.

And making up tales too.

[jimfields33]

13. Can't get rid of homophobia no matter how hard we try.

Those trumpers and those that speak about trump ad nausea are the worst vile creatures.

[Kingofalldems]

26. Yeah and they make up stories too.

[jimfields33]

31. Yep. They sure do. Be careful out there.

[live love laugh]

11. DAMNNnnn. I'm in love.

[Mosby]

15. The banks paid back the tarp money, and the gov made 3b in interest.

[NullTuples]

35. Out of $54 billion, airlines only had to repay $14 billion. Plus $25 b more in low interest loans.

AND they'd agreed to not fire or furlough employees; the point was to keep people employed.

They fired them anyway & kept the money. Well, didn't really keep it, they then spent many billions on dividends and stock buybacks ($9 b for Delta alone).

[mgardener]

16. Elise Stefaniks parent's business

Got a 125,000 PPP loan.

They never paid a cent of it back, it was forgiven.

And she had the nerve to complain about forgiveness on a college loan.

[Orrex]

19. For most of my time on DU, a certain contingent has argued bitterly against loan forgiveness

All of the standard tropes: "personal responsibility;" "I paid mine/what do I get?" "you should pay the price for your own bad choices;" "should have gotten a better degree;" "I worked my way through college/why doesn't everybody?" and on and on.

It has always disappointed--but not surprised--me that Progressives would be so vindictive and petty on this subject, even recently.

My loans are paid off, and I would be delighted if others are able to escape the cruel burden that they were conned into accepting.


Glad to see some progress at long last.

[Hekate]

30. Well stated, Orrex

[Blue_playwright]

39. I be worked through college too

But still took out small loans yearly. I am still in shock that it was so predatory. Financial aid folks would try to convince me to take the full amount offered. I could buy a car! Furnish an apartment! Take a great spring break trip!

I always declined but I was always pressured.

That’s why I support full loan forgiveness. If I had needed that money to live on, I can’t imagine how bad my payments would be. And it was damn predatory for an 18-year-old kid.

[Orrex]

48. You've summed it up nicely

And a lot of kids are pressured into taking out loans even when they're 17. They can't sign the loan until they're 18, but the pressure campaign begins long before that.

The lender should be required to furnish an amortization schedule up front, so that prospective borrowers can say "this $10,000 loan will end up costing me $60,000, assuming I don't miss any payments, etc."

And many of the kids who need such assistance are poorly positioned to make long-term financial decisions, especially when their parents likewise lack the experience and knowledge to assess the impact of these choices. I know that I had no one to guide me in my decision; all I heard is that college will be worth it, and your degree in English will take you anywhere you want to go.

Even if the loans aren't going to be forgiven outright, they should be made subject to bankruptcy; at the very least, the interest and fees should be eligible for discharge through bankruptcy, just like any other legally procured loan.

Instead, we're demanding that children make an accurate prediction about what the job market will be in 10 years, when millionaire CEOs of multi-billion-dollar international corporations often can't predict accurately what the market will do in six months.

[notinkansas]

51. Five of my children graduated with significant college loans

into a terrible job market. For a lot of years it was not a pretty scenario. We are now working on helping to pay the last one off. She will not be eligible for this loan forgiveness because her loans have been refinanced. I am still happy to see that something, however meager, is being about the student debt burden. It is a national disgrace.

[onecaliberal]

20. Love this.

[czarjak]

22. Jodey Arrington was an enabler for Chance Hance.

[BidenRocks]

25. Most loans can be

shopped around for a better rate.

When you can't make your point, go for porn.
Like the basement of the pizza place which had no basement!

[Hekate]

29. Tell that to the mighty corporations...

“Tell that to banks, bailed-out
corporations, and Donald Trump.
Once we settle that, we can
concentrate on attacking young people
who were conned into life-sucking
interest rates by companies whose….”

Well and pungently stated.

I am getting a bit alarmed at the DUers who are acting like crabs in a bucket over President Biden’s truly great announcement. Relatively few DUers, to be sure, but very hot under the collar at the idea someone somewhere might get something they themselves didn’t get.

[c-rational]

33. +1

[Merlot]

36. Remember the PPP loans given to companies to get them thru covid?

Forgivable.

The EIDL loans given to small businesses - NOT forgivable.

So imagine watching large companies with huge resources getting their loans forgiven while small businesses are stuck paying their loans. That burns.

[ibegurpard]

37. My parents lent me money for college

They later forgave the debt.
Sooo...

[House of Roberts]

38. So taxpayers are bailing out the companies with the turgid cocks,

improving their loan payback rates so the folks who owe too much can catch up a little?

Maybe this is the only thing Biden can do without Congress, but it does play into the hands of the creditors, who are the beneficiaries of this as much as the debtors.

[LudwigPastorius]

41. Pithy.

[former9thward]

42. Who conned young people into "life sucking" interest rates?

Colleges that charge whatever tuition they can get away with?

[PlanetBev]

43. That, my friends,

Is the zinger of the year.

[purr-rat beauty]

45. Social Security would like a word

ehem, yeah...give that shit back

[kaotikross]

47. I would have much preffered

"asses you kiss daily".

[uponit7771]

49. K&R,

[Hotler]

53. And don't forget the Silverardo Savings & Loan scandel of the 1980's. That was the Bush family. nt

[Autumn]

55. Tell that to all the wealthy politicians and celebrities who had billions in PPP loans

forgiven. Fuck them and fuck the complainers.

[Emile]

59. That's telling them, LOL.

[EnergizedLib]

61. Yeah, sorry

I'm not interested in any personal responsibility lectures from the party that doesn't take any, that worships the ultimate finger pointer, that cries voter fraud when they don't win an election or plays the victim when they love nothing more to be the oppressor.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

62. I'm using that !!!

[lunatica]

63. That's a myth everyone falls for

They use the American work ethic as a weapon to justify their insane interest rates. Their aim is to keep us chained to paying them more and more which enriches them at our expense. Then when we can’t do it anymore they use shame to squeeze more out of us. And if they can’t hound us to pay they go after our families.

But they can be stopped sometimes.