It's Over: Trump Will Be Indicted

[babylonsister]

It’s Over: Trump Will Be Indicted
Mar-a-Lago Madness
There is little left for the Justice Department to do but decide whether to wait until after the midterms to formally seek the indictment from the grand jury.
Brad Moss
Updated Aug. 26, 2022 6:21PM ET / Published Aug. 26, 2022 6:01PM ET


I have finally seen enough. Donald Trump will be indicted by a federal grand jury.

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(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) He was put on notice by the U.S. Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) He continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.

That is the ball game, folks. Absent some unforeseen change in factual or legal circumstances, I believe there is little left for the Justice Department to do but decide whether to wait until after the midterms to formally seek the indictment from the grand jury.

more...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-over-trump-will-be-indicted?ref=home

[ProudMNDemocrat]

1. Indict the orange fucker NOW!!

The DOJ has the evidence.

This is a matter of National Security and the Rule of Law. TDFG violated his oath to the Constitution, the Country, and the ideals this country was founded on.

[thecrow]

45. Will he then be convicted though?

Or incarcerated?

[Demsrule86]

55. It seems it will be hard to keep a jury member who sectetly supports Trump off the jury.

[DemocraticPatriot]

61. I have come to believe it may be more politically advantageous to us if

the Justice Departments waits, until after the midterm elections...


Those of us who despise Trump are motivated to vote, for a multitude of reasons... I have come to think that an indictment before the election will motivate the Trumptards to vote, as they were for a short time enraged after the search.

Let them sleep, I think... we liberals have plenty more reason to vote, after the Roe reversal.

Another 2 months won't make any difference, as long as we have already waited, but I would prefer that the Trumptards stay in their demoralization until the election is over. No matter what happens in the election, we will still control the Justice Department...


The Trumptard trash has not been very motivated to vote without the Orange Gorilla himself being on the ballot. I want them to slumber through this midterm. There is time enough yet to deal with with orange traitor afterwards...

[dchill]

2. Lock him up NOW. Sort it all out later.

He's a danger to the country. He cannot be allowed to run for President again. No good will come of his continued "freedom."

[Iwasthere]

6. He could be selling copies this very moment

[tinrobot]

7. Exactly. He's a menace to national security.

[wnylib]

42. He's a menace to life on earth.

[2naSalit]

46. And nothing short of that!

[dchill]

8. Exactly. I still want to know what made Lindsey go...

...full doggie after one golf game.

[a kennedy]

3. babylonsister.........you are my bible on EVERYTHING. If you are posting this, then it is the truth.

[claudette]

4. Sounds convincing

I’ll believe it when I see it

[Willto]

14. I Share Your Pessimism

I have seen this POS skate by with so much underhanded and illegal stuff that I have reached the point where I don't believe he will ever see the inside of a jail of any type. Not that he doesn't deserve it. Hell yes he does. But if this latest scandal in which he may very well have been planning to sell this country's top classified information doesn't open his cults eyes then what will? Any at present I fear that it would be next to impossible to get a jury without at least one MAGA head slipping through. And that's all it would take to hang a jury.

But I promise you this; if he does go to jail or even if I just get to see him perp walked in handcuffs I will come back and eat my plate of crow with a smile.

[claudette]

58. It's frightening to think

that he would be allowed to get away with such crimes. I, too, would gladly say I was wrong if Benedict Donald is charged, tried and convicted. But, in "real life" for anyone else, it would not take this long to be held accountable in some way for all that he has done. I'll keep hoping.

[BWdem4life]

5. How about... now. nt

[Trueblue1968]

9. Yes, YEs, YES....Yes, Oh God, Yes !!!!!!!!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. Should've been arrested before the 2016 election, but for Moscow Mitch.

[Raine1967]

44. Yes BUT -- if that mofo never ran he would have skated.

no one would have given a crap about a reality show 'star' who didn't become president.

[BOSSHOG]

11. There is no reason to wait until after the midterms

Except to give his coconspirators a better opportunity to win their elections. Let his enablers up for election answer for the enabling and their lies and their treason. Not indicting now will only aid the party of treason for no logical reason

[Auggie]

18. +1,000,000

Hi BOSSHOG ... been missing you in the Sports forum.

[BOSSHOG]

23. Hey Auggie

I took about a 12 year sabbatical from DU for my sake only. Love y’all.

I’m still a Razorback/Phillie/Saints Fan. I got a little (a lot) carried away after the Saints Super Bowl win and haven’t posted from that night until about a month ago. I think I’ve mellowed since then. Phillies looking good for a wildcard. Harper back in the lineup tonight.

[bluedigger]

39. Welcome back!

Missed ya, man.

[BOSSHOG]

41. Thank You My Friend

Great to be amongst those who actually care about democracy.

[Auggie]

48. I think I remember that post!

Your Saints play my 49ers this year.

We’ll have to talk …

[BOSSHOG]

49. Looking forward to the "regular" season my friend

[WarGamer]

12. no way they indict before the midterms.

[wnylib]

47. Why not? If the evidence is ready to present

to the grand jury, there is no reason to wait until after the midterms. Trump is not a midterm candidate.

[KS Toronado]

52. Exactly "Trump is not a midterm candidate."

Midterms should not come into play with him, he's on no ballot. Now, if the information the grand jury
is sitting on would turn voters against Rs, I hope it comes out before the midterms.

[wnylib]

60. I would not advocate for an indictment before the midterms

just for political reasons. But I would also not expect an indictment to be held up because of the midterms. If it hurts some of the midterm candidates, that's their problem, as far as I'm concerned. They knew what Trump was, but chose to join the Trump camp.

[multigraincracker]

13. Has the Plus girl sang yet?

It is the kind of story they make into operas.

[Tacan]

15. Yawn, Yawn, we've been hearing this shit for the last 5 years.

[orangecrush]

28. First ex president

To get his home searched by the FBI.

Didn't think that would happen, either.

But it did!

[doc03]

38. You are right we have been hearing Trump is going down for the last 5 years and not one

damn thing has stopped him.

[Chainfire]

16. It is all speculation at this point. We may find how far our justice system has fallen.

Any reasonable person would see an indictment coming soon, but it is based on the assumption that law and justice still rule in this country.

[onecaliberal]

17. 🙏🏻

Please let it be so.

[calimary]

19. From your keyboard to God's screen, my friend!

But I want more than just that! Indictment is only the beginning of what I want for this bastard.

I want indictment, trial, conviction, and sentencing to a substantial time in what he will consider horribly unfair and crippling custody.

Fuck him. He's had it all his way. He's had his fun. Now he needs to pay up.

[Treefrog]

20. If they have to "decide to wait" until after midterms,

forget it.

It won't happen.

[liberal N proud]

21. If they wait and republicans regain control

The orange bastard will get off.

[paleotn]

24. That can't get their dirty mitts on Justice until at least 2025.

It will be all over by then and the whole sordid story will be well known. Even if they gain control of the House next year, they really can't do shit.

[paleotn]

22. After the mid terms would be better.

But the big question still remains unanswered. Why did he have them in the first place? Documents that could compromise US intel methods and sources. Particularly the later. It will be very interesting to see where the evidence leads in that regard.

[gab13by13]

25. Not going to happen if it does for a long time.

There is a request for a special master that needs to be resolved. If it is granted it will take time to name that person. Trump can then object to the person and file another appeal. If a special master is ever agreed upon it will take him/her months to go through the documents.

That folks, is just step1.

How does DOJ get Trump to appear before a grand jury? I guarantee they are not going to cuff and stuff him.

As I have been saying for a very long while, time matters.

What's happening with Jeffrey Clarke, and John Eastman and Mark Meadows? None of them are on the November ballot.

[Deuce]

26. My Satisfaction...indicted, convicted, handcuffed and sent to prison!

[SouthernDem4ever]

27. Waiting for the midterms for what?

Waiting to possibly give repugs a chance to get another criminal off the hook? Waiting for the US to turn completely fascist?

[BOSSHOG]

30. Let me second that emotion My Friend

Zero reason to WAIT. THE GOOD GUYS think that giving an advantage to THE BAD GUYS constitutes fairness.


HEY GARLAND IF YOU’RE LISTENING. FUCK THAT.

[EYESORE 9001]

29. ...

[Skittles]

31. why should he be given ANY consideration

FUCK THAT

LOCK HIM THE FUCK UP

[Jarqui]

32. The Bill Barr memo recently released indicates obstruction of justice

and that Mueller would have pursued it if Trump wasn't President. (stated roughly & too simplistically ..)

A problem I have with that is: what justice was Trump obstructing?
We have a pretty darn good idea. He was obstructing them from finding out about his relationship with the Russians and their assistance in the 2016 election (again, stated very roughly).

Bill Barr lies and scuttles the obstruction charges (that have not passed the five-year statue of limitations entirely - as the obstruction came after the crime).

Trump extorts Ukraine with US military assets to try to get them to put their thumb on the scale of the US 2020 election. Trump gets impeached but skates away on partisan politics - not because he's innocent. Who knows what the DoJ did with that one.

Jan 6th, 2021 failed coup attempt. TBD.

NY State has shut down his bogus foundation. Fined him/awarded $25 million for his Trump university fraud. He invoked the fifth 440 times along with son Eric 500 times as his accountant pleaded guilty to 15 counts of insurance/bank fraud and tax evasion.

We have journalism concerned with things like this:

or this:

Link to tweet

And now he's caught red handed hiding the nations top secrets, keeping them unsecure in his Florida home as the FBI and Intelligence agencies scramble to assess the damage.

Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion.

A man is innocent until proven guilty but the evidence they had with that warrant is very damning and it was proven correct with the search. Just being in possession of that classified material was a crime. Period.

If they have a chance to put this vile traitor in prison, how could there be any sensible debate?
Yes, there might be violence by the extreme MAGA deadheads. Won't be that much if they lay the case out for the public. But give Trump a pass and let Ron DeSantis see how far he can push it next time?

The United States saying no man is above the law as it sends a former President to prison will be a disgraceful day in its history but a triumphant day for the Republic, democracy and the rule of law.

My 2 cents

[gab13by13]

34. How do we know that woman fooled Trump?

She is most likely tied to the mob so she was probably invited to Mar-el-Loco by Trump.

Why do we always agree with what the MSM tells us to believe? I believe she is a friend of Trump's.

[H2O Man]

37. I think it is

someone who Trump believed he could deal with.

[Jarqui]

56. Did you read this article?

https://newsinteractive.post-gazette.com/anna-de-rothschild-trump-mar-a-lago-security-fbi-investigation/

That is a pretty extensive article with a lot of evidence (ie IDs) to back it up.

This group claims to have worked on the story with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette who broke the story.
https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/inventing-anna-ukrainian-born-scammer-posed-with-trump-and-wandered-mar-a-lago


Pictured with Trump guests and family.

They have interviews with Mar-a-lago members identifying her being there as a Rothschild.

Other media like Forbes, MSNBC, Daily Beast, Newsweek, etc have picked up the story

Notably, I do not see NY Times or Washington Post carrying the story yet ..

Here's video of her at Mar-a-lago / with Trump
https://youtube.com/shorts/zPaHV7gGwcM

The article claims authorities in Canada are looking for her. It so happens that
Linkedin identifies two Inna Yashchyshyns: one in Canada, one in Ukraine (could be the same person, could be someone else)
https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?firstName=Inna&lastName=Yashchyshyn&origin=SEO_PSERP&sid=hjZ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_the_Rothschild_family
don't see an Anna there but ..

There is a company in France Madame Anna de Rothschild formed in 2012
https://www-societe-com.translate.goog/contentieux/madame-anna-de-rothschild-788504306.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Maybe more here:
https://www.pappers.fr/entreprise/bero-320771587/documents/BERO%20-%20Statuts%20mis%20%C3%A0%20jour%2014-01-2021.pdf
No litigation against it
Contrary to the Post Gazette, it lists an Anna de Rothchild born in April, 1987

Don't know if there is any connection.

Would I be 100% certain the story is completely accurate? No.
But it seems like the Steele dossier - a bunch of the facts seem to check out.

[doc03]

33. I highly doubt it after listening to the talking heads in the media.

Chuck Rosenburg for one and others are talking they have to prove intent. Unless they have Trump handing the
documents over to Putin on video he is going to get off on this too.

[gab13by13]

36. I bet money that Chuck voted for Trump.

I listened to a dozen other experts who say that criminal intent has been proven.

[doc03]

40. Every time we think they have Trump Chuck always shows up

to burst our bubble.

[Justice matters.]

50. He REFUSED to obey a DoJ SUBPOENA to return ALL the sensitive documents to NARA

Instead of complying, he probably instructed his other incompetent lawyer to sign a document FALSELY stating that ALL the requested documents were returned: THAT's textbook Obstruction of Justice.

[H2O Man]

35. Recommended.

I agree.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

43. How many thousands of times has that been said here on DU?

I, for one, am not holding my breath.

I still think he'll get off free with some bullshit excuse about indicting a former President being a bad precedent.

[LeftInTX]

57. I'm guess: "I'm sloppy"

[BlackSkimmer]

63. I'm not holding mine either.

Nothing will happen to tfg. Nothing.

[area51]

65. +1, I have no optimism that Trump will ever be put behind bars. n/t

[gldstwmn]

51. He thinks he is going to run for president

again. He needs to be indicted before that idea gains any real traction.

[Tarc]

53. Merry Fitzmas

Let us know when they actually finally, really hold that cretin accountable.

[LudwigPastorius]

54. Well, he SHOULD be indicted, but...

Nixon should have been, also.

The severity of Trump's crimes outweigh Nixon's, but you never know what will happen based on the fear of a wave of violence and "the good of the country".

I hope and pray that Trump will be charged and stand trial.

[EnergizedLib]

59. Don't forget

His handwriting was on some of those documents, too.

This wasn’t some horrible mix up of taking stuff to Mar-a-Lago. He made no effort to return them and he knew what he had.

Lock him up.

[Jarqui]

62. One thing I had hoped for from the redacted affidavait was

a dialing down of the nasty rhetoric against the judge & FBI

It's early but it seems to have shut up a bunch of people.

FOX News is very toned down.
Karl Rove was blunt on how long the National Archives and DoJ had been asking for the documents - since May 2021.
Newsmax and OAN are still at it but not as intensely.
Dershowitz conceded they had established probable cause for the warrant (but didn't agree with the search) and they had enough grounds to indict (while maintaining that was a lower bar than a conviction).

So there has been some acknowledgement on the right of some wrong doing by Trump with these documents.
I don't trust them but it is a little safer for some people than it was.

[Blue Owl]

64. Stick a fork in that fat, overcooked turkey