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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:16 PM Aug 2022

I'm seeing an alarming demand for vengeance here...

People want Trump "perp-walked".

They want him in "Supermax"

The want him get to "Gitmo".

Some think he should be "executed".

I was under the impression that ultimate goal was justice.....

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I'm seeing an alarming demand for vengeance here... (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2022 OP
I think we deserve justice and a perp walk. MLAA Aug 2022 #1
The perp-walk is typically before a trial, and I'd be OK with that, Ocelot II Aug 2022 #2
The perp-walk is NOT typical...it doesn't happen with most defendants...especially non-violent ones. brooklynite Aug 2022 #6
What I meant is that it typically occurs *before* a trial, *as opposed to after.* Ocelot II Aug 2022 #10
I recall Ken Lay & several of the Enron execx doing perp walks dflprincess Aug 2022 #22
Oh, he's violent - just not in the pedestrian way. harumph Aug 2022 #32
Supermax is indeed appropriate HariSeldon Aug 2022 #8
"a facility best designed to thwart a breakout" Sogo Aug 2022 #15
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe you your newsletter$ Coventina Aug 2022 #142
I don't think they're serious, but frustrated about the injustice of mango staying free. Justice matters. Aug 2022 #3
I want him dead - after a prolonged and very painful illness. dalton99a Aug 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author NoRethugFriends Aug 2022 #12
You have a lot of agreement with that hope. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #53
I'm ok with regular jail. madaboutharry Aug 2022 #5
accountability is fine. death sentence only if legally appropriate. seems like his whole life is a msongs Aug 2022 #7
Keep walk? You guys watch too much tv. Srkdqltr Aug 2022 #9
Seems like he has committed Treason. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2022 #11
No chance that he'll be indicted for treason... brooklynite Aug 2022 #21
No but he could be indicted for espionage. How did that turn out for the Rosenbergs? Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #111
He won't. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #118
He hasn't, according to the definition of Treason in the US Constitution. Mariana Aug 2022 #112
Pearl clutch much? dpibel Aug 2022 #13
This place certainly has no impact on the real world... brooklynite Aug 2022 #24
Post removed Post removed Aug 2022 #30
I agree with you in my head.. multigraincracker Aug 2022 #37
"How about you link me to that?" - You are called out for your nonsense. Earth-shine Aug 2022 #82
I trashing this thread...shame on you. Why are you being so divisive? After Trump killed Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #113
I think he's responsible for the deaths of thousands just in New York FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #117
You sure do love shitting on us. W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #114
Exactly inthewind21 Aug 2022 #122
Perhaps because a lot of the hyperbole, such as suggestions that Trump should be "executed" Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #27
Again I ask dpibel Aug 2022 #31
No, I'm not going to do that as I don't wish to be accused of calling people out. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #36
I just searched and couldn't track down all those calls for Trump's execution... Violet_Crumble Aug 2022 #78
Plus, calling for the extra judicial execution of a former president Coventina Aug 2022 #143
you specified "before he's even been charged and convicted" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2022 #103
I saw one, but it was mostly to point out treestar Aug 2022 #106
It's not hyperbole. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #55
You have this habit of insulting people who disagree with you and ascribing Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #60
+1 betsuni Aug 2022 #61
Right on schedule FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #65
Am I supposed to get mad or something? betsuni Aug 2022 #74
Something wrong with supporting Democrats on a forum for Democrats? betsuni Aug 2022 #115
Not at all, but there is something wrong with supporting those FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #119
... betsuni Aug 2022 #120
The poster you support falsely accused people here FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #123
Huh? betsuni Aug 2022 #150
"The poster you support" betsuni Aug 2022 #151
I do no such thing, and you know it. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #64
Malarky Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #67
No, you prove mine. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #68
Trolling liberal Democrats and making false accusations Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #69
Only one of us has done that, and it's not me. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #73
lol Nixie Aug 2022 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author NoRethugFriends Aug 2022 #14
So you are for Capital Punishment former9thward Aug 2022 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author NoRethugFriends Aug 2022 #89
K n R ! Thanks for posting!... JoeOtterbein Aug 2022 #16
I believe there is a noted poster dpibel Aug 2022 #18
Yes nt JoeOtterbein Aug 2022 #23
What is Justice if he is found to have committed offenses against the country Lulu Latech Aug 2022 #17
I think the answer is... kentuck Aug 2022 #44
A stockade and overly ripe tomatoes. Spiritually or figuratively speaking, of course. sprinkleeninow Aug 2022 #88
His lies have killed thousands, just by vilifying vaccinations. Now, it seems his traitorous lindysalsagal Aug 2022 #19
I think you are seeing dpibel Aug 2022 #20
What some call hyperbole and vengeance others call Justice. Saboburns Aug 2022 #129
Oh puhlease! Lunabell Aug 2022 #25
Interesting replies here. Beastly Boy Aug 2022 #26
+1 Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #28
Yes Kaleva Aug 2022 #33
well put. that kinda' sums it up. stopdiggin Aug 2022 #58
As long as the vengeance being looked for is within the bounds of what the criminal justice system dflprincess Aug 2022 #29
That's correct. The ultimate goal is justice. blue neen Aug 2022 #34
Personally, I Don't Expect Him To Even Get A Jaywalking Citation SoCalDavidS Aug 2022 #35
I'm with you on that. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #137
I do not care about the spectacle and specifics. PufPuf23 Aug 2022 #38
Does this include all those who voted for Biden but not Hillary? Kaleva Aug 2022 #40
Making an issue now of those who voted for Biden but not Hillary is water under the bridge and PufPuf23 Aug 2022 #47
TFG would be a none issue had the people who voted in 2020 for Biden Kaleva Aug 2022 #50
+1 Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #54
Unless Hillary lost re-election to Trump in 2020 Polybius Aug 2022 #140
There would have been no Covid. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #154
There definitely would have been Covid, just not on the massive scale of Trump Polybius Aug 2022 #155
Good posts PufPuf23 Brenda Aug 2022 #90
LOL inthewind21 Aug 2022 #124
Not everyone here is a progressive Kaleva Aug 2022 #39
What is that supposed to mean? Earth-shine Aug 2022 #76
It means... Brenda Aug 2022 #91
... betsuni Aug 2022 #95
Also, I think some people were just pissed off by threats coming from the Trump sycophants today? kentuck Aug 2022 #41
A Brief History of the Perp Walk (2018): Ocelot II Aug 2022 #42
thanks. nice post. stopdiggin Aug 2022 #62
What the hell is there to be "alarmed" about????? FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #43
Some on the other side think we should face consequences if they win Kaleva Aug 2022 #45
Yes, but the difference is FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #48
They say we did and we don't know if TFG did but some claim he did Kaleva Aug 2022 #51
and QNON people think JFK is still alive. harumph Aug 2022 #56
If there is compelling evidence is key Kaleva Aug 2022 #59
Well, the thing is, no matter what we have found out he did harumph Aug 2022 #63
Nazis are gonna be Nazis. NutmegYankee Aug 2022 #52
If I thought they were Nazis, I'd be off the internet awhile ago Kaleva Aug 2022 #57
+100000 Emile Aug 2022 #99
The Pig is a old, white, rich, man who has no prior convictions and is a former Pres. Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #46
I have a feeling that Uncle Vlad will take him out when his usefulness ends. So relax. usonian Aug 2022 #49
I would like to see Trump escape to Russia. Turbineguy Aug 2022 #66
I just want him to go away AkFemDem Aug 2022 #70
The solution to the nation's woes is to totally remove Trump permanently from PufPuf23 Aug 2022 #116
It's not really enough for justice to be done... Happy Hoosier Aug 2022 #71
If it is proven that Trump sold our Nations secrets to our adversaries, Meadowoak Aug 2022 #75
Others have been. rubbersole Aug 2022 #84
+1 Meadowoak Aug 2022 #86
I'd be fine with putting him in the SHU at ADX Florence. sir pball Aug 2022 #107
Lol Sky Jewels Aug 2022 #79
In my mind he has committed Meowmee Aug 2022 #80
Your goal was certainly reached. 🤣🤣🤣 MerryBlooms Aug 2022 #81
If there's "infighting" that means I'm not alone in my opinion. brooklynite Aug 2022 #125
+1 BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #127
The usual "concerners"... LowerManhattanite Aug 2022 #149
Pretty sure Supermax would be justice.nt prodigitalson Aug 2022 #83
Has he or his minions threatened Dems w/ execution for treason? Marcus IM Aug 2022 #85
Thank you for posting what I've been thinking for a while ... n/t wackadoo wabbit Aug 2022 #87
There are people sitting in jail at this very moment for taking one document. One! Vinca Aug 2022 #92
the guy is literally an enemy of the state anarch Aug 2022 #93
Regular working folks would have been arrested and jailed if we Roisin Ni Fiachra Aug 2022 #94
Scratch a liberal... WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2022 #96
Scratch people who have seen the criminals from the halls of government walk again and again GoneOffShore Aug 2022 #105
Fuck the justice! We now want Vengeance with a capital V! And he deserves it. machoneman Aug 2022 #97
this feels like gaslighting because you listed 4 justice outcomes Blues Heron Aug 2022 #98
Justice is what we want PJMcK Aug 2022 #100
All those things looks like Justice to me..guess you just want his hand slapped? msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #101
I see more and more of this here lately. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #102
The difference is, when I call for him to face the firing squad, FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #121
There's nothing "alarming" about it. Paladin Aug 2022 #104
So. nt Hotler Aug 2022 #108
Nobody should be executed. Not even a traitor. ck4829 Aug 2022 #109
He very likely sold or gave top secret information that got agents and sources killed. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #110
Ah the feelings police have arrived. BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #126
I think we're supposed to advocate Bettie Aug 2022 #160
Cross out alarming add thankfully. "Thankfully, I'm seeing a demand for vengeance here..." Saboburns Aug 2022 #128
+1,000,000,000 FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #131
I'm fine with plain old justice being dispensed Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #130
Perp walk sounds like justice to me. lark Aug 2022 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Aug 2022 #133
He's a traitor who attempted to overthrow our government. Scottie Mom Aug 2022 #134
Perp-walked, having him in supermax, sent to Gitmo would BigDemVoter Aug 2022 #135
Let's see. This mfer tried to overthrow U.S. government in a violent coup, Sky Jewels Aug 2022 #136
Thank You DET Aug 2022 #144
+1,000,000 FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #152
You're welcome. The condescension is Sky Jewels Aug 2022 #156
plus a brazillion. Pathwalker Aug 2022 #158
What is the appropriate punishment for someone who's responsible for the deaths ecstatic Aug 2022 #138
i think that RIDDING THE WORLD OF TRUMP is..... ultimate goal was justice Trueblue1968 Aug 2022 #139
From Nixon to Trump crimes but no healing RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2022 #145
God forbid he be perp walked. LuckyCharms Aug 2022 #146
I always assume everyone involved in bringing Trump and associates to justice are getting betsuni Aug 2022 #147
That IS Justice! alphafemale Aug 2022 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Aug 2022 #153
It is what it is JustAnotherGen Aug 2022 #157
So, are we supposed to hope that he has Bettie Aug 2022 #159
Well, justice can.... spanone Aug 2022 #161

Ocelot II

(119,273 posts)
2. The perp-walk is typically before a trial, and I'd be OK with that,
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:19 PM
Aug 2022

since after that I want a fair trial and a fair sentence. I don't know what that is yet, but Supermax, Gitmo and execution will not happen, nor should they.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
6. The perp-walk is NOT typical...it doesn't happen with most defendants...especially non-violent ones.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:23 PM
Aug 2022

Ocelot II

(119,273 posts)
10. What I meant is that it typically occurs *before* a trial, *as opposed to after.*
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:25 PM
Aug 2022

Realistically they'd take him in through a back door to avoid the press. I sure wouldn't mind seeing him do the perp walk, though.

dflprincess

(28,362 posts)
22. I recall Ken Lay & several of the Enron execx doing perp walks
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:36 PM
Aug 2022

And given Trump's crimes may have resulted in the deaths of intelligence assets, he richly deserves one.

HariSeldon

(480 posts)
8. Supermax is indeed appropriate
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:25 PM
Aug 2022

As someone who is adored beyond reason by large numbers of people, some of whom have already committed violent felonies in support of him, Trump -- if imprisoned -- belongs in a facility best designed to thwart a breakout.

Response to dalton99a (Reply #4)

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
53. You have a lot of agreement with that hope.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:29 PM
Aug 2022

He deserves to pay for the suffering he's caused to others.

madaboutharry

(41,054 posts)
5. I'm ok with regular jail.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:22 PM
Aug 2022

Heck, they could send him to one of those cushy places where inmates can play tennis. He just needs to become a felon, lose his freedom, and get out of our lives.

msongs

(69,451 posts)
7. accountability is fine. death sentence only if legally appropriate. seems like his whole life is a
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:24 PM
Aug 2022

walking death sentence these days

Mariana

(14,914 posts)
112. He hasn't, according to the definition of Treason in the US Constitution.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:50 AM
Aug 2022

Espionage, probably. Treason, no.

dpibel

(3,110 posts)
13. Pearl clutch much?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:28 PM
Aug 2022

As you so frequently point out, this is an online discussion board, which really has not measurable real-world impact.

So why do you need to point out the hyperbole?

And here's a fun question for you:

If Trump is charged, why would he not be perp-walked? That's not vengeance, it's S
SOP. IIRC, Michael Cohen got perp-walked, among many others. People get perp-walked every day. Are all those about the ultimate goal of justice? Or would it only be about something else if it were Trump?

If Trump were convicted of espionage, which has landed lesser mortals in Supermax, would it be against the interest of justice for Trump to be likewise in Supermax?

I'll give you Gitmo--we shouldn't be perpetuating W's crimes. But, really, rhetoric. You know about that, maybe?

I read a lot of threads on DU. I honestly haven't seen calls for Trump's execution. How about you link me to that? And even if you can find one, or even three, does that constitute some sort of sense of the lesser mortals? Or are you just calling out the outliers for some purpose or another, who knows what it might be?

But really, what's your point. Other than demonstrating that you really can hold your pinky out when you drink tea?

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
24. This place certainly has no impact on the real world...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:39 PM
Aug 2022

...and you're free to ignore my commentary on over-the-top opinions which don't cast a positive light on the community.

You're also free to insult me personally as much as you like. Doesn't bother me.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

multigraincracker

(33,597 posts)
37. I agree with you in my head..
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:53 PM
Aug 2022

Confucius was very smart.

“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”


Works out that way most of the time.

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
82. "How about you link me to that?" - You are called out for your nonsense.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:31 AM
Aug 2022

You didn't answer the question.

It is you who is not casting a positive light.

Demsrule86

(70,660 posts)
113. I trashing this thread...shame on you. Why are you being so divisive? After Trump killed
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:52 AM
Aug 2022

thousands of Americans ...reportedly sent no help to New York because you all didn't vote for him. You are just baiting folks. I can see that clearly.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
117. I think he's responsible for the deaths of thousands just in New York
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:28 AM
Aug 2022

There's no way to know for sure, thanks to republicons dicking around with reporting, but it would seem likely that well over two million Americans would be alive today if not for tRump mishandling everything about COVID.

And as we found out, he knew it was deadly right away and made sure to get himself vaccinated long before the rest of us could.

W_HAMILTON

(8,222 posts)
114. You sure do love shitting on us.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:54 AM
Aug 2022

For someplace that """has no impact on the real world,""" you sure do spend a lot of time here trying to shape opinions. But speaking of having no impact...

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
27. Perhaps because a lot of the hyperbole, such as suggestions that Trump should be "executed"
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:40 PM
Aug 2022

before he's even been charged and convicted, makes this place seem kinda "kooky."

This is supposed to be a "reality based community."

dpibel

(3,110 posts)
31. Again I ask
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:46 PM
Aug 2022

Can you kindly link me to a meaningful number of posts--let's say three--that suggest Trump should be executed summarily?

Because, attentive though I think I am, I've missed them.

There's a lot of "Trump is a traitor, he deserves X."

But that's not actually asking for capital punishment prior to indictment.

Can you see the difference?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
36. No, I'm not going to do that as I don't wish to be accused of calling people out.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:51 PM
Aug 2022

Should not be hard to discover calls for Trump's execution by using search keywords of looking at recent relevant threads.

Violet_Crumble

(36,073 posts)
78. I just searched and couldn't track down all those calls for Trump's execution...
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:20 AM
Aug 2022

I see yr reasonably new to DU. As an old-timer, I can reassure you that being asked to provide evidence of something like you claimed isn't calling anyone out. I see people post links to other posts all the time. Just as long as you don't accompany the links with personal attacks on those who posted them, you'll be fine.

Coventina

(27,636 posts)
143. Plus, calling for the extra judicial execution of a former president
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 12:51 AM
Aug 2022

is a crime, and such posts are usually deleted pretty quickly.

I haven't seen these alleged posts either.

I used to come across that stuff pretty regularly with w. not so much with Trump for whatever reason.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,098 posts)
103. you specified "before he's even been charged and convicted"
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:19 AM
Aug 2022

Are you saying that a DUer has said he should be executed without waiting for a conviction of a capital offense, or that people are discussing it before charge or conviction?

Yes, people have said "I believe he's guilty of treason or espionage" (which is not kooky, even if not proved), and "if he is found guilty of treason or espionage, he ought to be executed" (which is a possible sentence). Discussing the end sentence is not kooky either.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
106. I saw one, but it was mostly to point out
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:15 AM
Aug 2022

that a possible charge actually carries the death penalty.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
55. It's not hyperbole.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:32 PM
Aug 2022

It's appropriate to the apparent crimes he and his criminal associates have committed.

Why would anyone not want him or any of them to face appropriate consequences? One can only wonder whose side they're on.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
60. You have this habit of insulting people who disagree with you and ascribing
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:44 PM
Aug 2022

ugly ulterior motives to other members of this community. Your "speculations" are baseless.

It is ugly and untoward behavior toward a fellow Democrat and is against the TOS.

Knock off this crap.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
119. Not at all, but there is something wrong with supporting those
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:33 AM
Aug 2022

who falsely accuse others. Shame on you.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
123. The poster you support falsely accused people here
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:45 AM
Aug 2022

of wanting tRump executed "before he's even charged...." and being "kooky". One could reasonably assume that means your agreement.

MF45 has richly earned a lot of ill wishes. But in general, while some might not be disappointed if it had been him that fell down the stairs, I see posts here that want him to be arrested, jailed, tried and convicted first, then get sentenced to Ol' Sparky. Far more of us don't want him to get an "easy exit".

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
64. I do no such thing, and you know it.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:53 PM
Aug 2022

You and your pals should knock off the defense of MF45.

Unless you can explain why anyone would not want him or any of them to face appropriate consequences. Can you?

Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #72)

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Response to former9thward (Reply #77)

JoeOtterbein

(7,760 posts)
16. K n R ! Thanks for posting!...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:29 PM
Aug 2022

...Plus *rump will never be, what we call, "arrested" or put in "jail".

Our entire justice system was built to "protect" wealthy, well-know, white men like *rump.

Not "arrest" them.

dpibel

(3,110 posts)
18. I believe there is a noted poster
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:32 PM
Aug 2022

who would respond to this post as follows:

So you are claiming that the justice department under the direction of JOE BIDEN is conspiring to subvert justice?????

Not my POV. Was just anticipating that stock response from someone else.

Lulu Latech

(29,100 posts)
17. What is Justice if he is found to have committed offenses against the country
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:31 PM
Aug 2022

If that happens I think the best we can hope for is house arrest under the guard of the Secret Service. His phone calls would be monitored and he would be placed on a strict diet to maintain his health and well being. Visitors would be limited and closely supervised. He's not going to prison. He's already humiliated himself. Any further public displays of vengeance would be curtailed out of respect for the office.

Personally, I'd vote for tar and feathers.

kentuck

(112,300 posts)
44. I think the answer is...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:11 PM
Aug 2022

patience. The drip, drip, drip is killing them. They are losing it. Today, they threaten violence, what tomorrow?

lindysalsagal

(21,935 posts)
19. His lies have killed thousands, just by vilifying vaccinations. Now, it seems his traitorous
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:33 PM
Aug 2022

actions probably killed even more. I'd say justice is justice, and it must be severe for a serial murderer.

dpibel

(3,110 posts)
20. I think you are seeing
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:34 PM
Aug 2022

a few outliers who are engaged in heated rhetoric.

And trying to make some kind of point about that.

Which, as is so often the case, is not really all that clear.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
129. What some call hyperbole and vengeance others call Justice.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 01:11 PM
Aug 2022

No one gets to pretend to be the supreme arbiter who gets to lecture everyone else what is or isn't justice. Or what is or isn't vengeance. Fuck that.

And for what it's worth in the case of Donald Trump I favor vengeance!

Just so there's no confusion.

Personally, I am a human and a little bit less than perfect. But see, I only aspire to be human, not perfect.

Beastly Boy

(10,636 posts)
26. Interesting replies here.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:39 PM
Aug 2022

It appears, since this is a discussion board, we can discuss all kinds of crazy extra-judicial shit, but not how crazy this extra-judicial shit is.

stopdiggin

(12,413 posts)
58. well put. that kinda' sums it up.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:35 PM
Aug 2022

people can take a complete and utter flier ...
and then any riposte is met with, "well it's just a discussion board .."

so - our opponents are slammed for irrationality, inflaming and invective, but ....

dflprincess

(28,362 posts)
29. As long as the vengeance being looked for is within the bounds of what the criminal justice system
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:41 PM
Aug 2022

can deliver, I have no problem with it (except for the death penalty, I have a problem with that even for Trump).

blue neen

(12,395 posts)
34. That's correct. The ultimate goal is justice.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:50 PM
Aug 2022

If he committed sedition or treason, then Trump should be punished just like other citizens of the United States would be. That would be justice. It is likely that he is responsible for the deaths of people who worked for our country. The losses to their families must feel immeasurable.

I don't see what is so alarming about wanting Trump to get his just rewards. In light of the damage he has wrought to our country and our very way of life, a desire for vengeance is quite understandable.

No, I don't feel guilty for wanting him to pay the price for a lifelong crime spree---we don't even know yet what the biggest crime will turn out to be. There are so many crimes Dipshit Donnie committed, he should already be sitting in jail somewhere. Gitmo sounds like a good option.

SoCalDavidS

(9,999 posts)
35. Personally, I Don't Expect Him To Even Get A Jaywalking Citation
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:50 PM
Aug 2022

I find it quaint what some are suggesting may happen.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
137. I'm with you on that.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:55 PM
Aug 2022

Not a chance we’ll see any of the fantasies fulfilled that are put forward here.

PufPuf23

(9,124 posts)
38. I do not care about the spectacle and specifics.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:00 PM
Aug 2022

Trump should be punished monetarily for damages and costs that are his responsibility and do the jail time appropriate for his crimes,

Importantly, Trump should be restrained from public threats and manipulation and the ability to hold public office. This is the minimum or the problems have not been addressed,

Trump is a criminal and a threat to the nation, but he is also a symptom of what ails the USA. Convicting Trump is just the beginning.

Those that enabled and benefitted from Trump actions are also complicit and need removal from public service and / or their fortunes. My worry at the moment is that the current demonization of Trump serves to limit his crimes and provide shade for others of guilt that will be threats in the future otherwise.

Personally, I want and have always wanted an egalitarian and democratic USA. There is a long way to go in many areas and levels. Start with the USSC. The media is complicit, even CNN and MSNBC.

Kaleva

(37,623 posts)
40. Does this include all those who voted for Biden but not Hillary?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:05 PM
Aug 2022

Your statement:

"Those that enabled.... Trump's actions are also complicit..."

PufPuf23

(9,124 posts)
47. Making an issue now of those who voted for Biden but not Hillary is water under the bridge and
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:19 PM
Aug 2022

should not be relevant, especially as only divides the Democratic Party moving forward.

Why bring this up now and in this context?

Kaleva

(37,623 posts)
50. TFG would be a none issue had the people who voted in 2020 for Biden
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:21 PM
Aug 2022

but sat out 2016 for whatever reason voted for Hillary.

Polybius

(16,882 posts)
140. Unless Hillary lost re-election to Trump in 2020
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:35 PM
Aug 2022

No one can be positive, but with a Republican House and Senate the attacks would be relentless, plus they would blame her for Covid.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
154. There would have been no Covid.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 10:32 AM
Aug 2022

MF45 fucked that up totally. Clinton would have handled it the way previous presidents handled disease outbreaks, and it would never have been a problem here.

Polybius

(16,882 posts)
155. There definitely would have been Covid, just not on the massive scale of Trump
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 11:56 AM
Aug 2022

It was a disease that spread faster than others, just look at the cases that came out in other countries. Far more than SARS or any others of the last 75 years.

Brenda

(1,303 posts)
90. Good posts PufPuf23
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 06:21 AM
Aug 2022

It seems like some people really don't want Democracy at all, just team playing. Some want it polite like polo and some want it more like WWE.

You're with us or you're against us.

Which is the root cause of why we're at this point where the biosphere is collapsing eventually leading to human extinction.

Brenda

(1,303 posts)
91. It means...
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 06:23 AM
Aug 2022

Protect the System that includes TraitorTrump but demonize the fuck out of Susan Sarandon.

To some people.

kentuck

(112,300 posts)
41. Also, I think some people were just pissed off by threats coming from the Trump sycophants today?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:06 PM
Aug 2022

People like Josh Hawley, Lindsey Graham, and Karl Rove threatening the country with riots if Donald Trump is indicted or arrested.

Karl Rove said it would break the nation apart.

It just rubbed people the wrong way.

Ocelot II

(119,273 posts)
42. A Brief History of the Perp Walk (2018):
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:08 PM
Aug 2022
Parading the accused and the condemned before the citizenry is an age-old tactic used by those holding power. The most famous example goes back some 2,000 years, when a Jewish preacher from Nazareth was forced to trudge painfully to Calvary. William Wallace, the Scottish independence leader, experienced it being dragged through London before his execution in 1305. French monarchists, during the revolution, endured it as well in the tumbrels carrying them to the guillotine.

That sort of public shaming has not disappeared, even if conducted in 21st-century America with less brutality. The modern version is known as a perp walk. As in days of old, a criminal suspect is displayed in front of a fevered crowd — composed now not of the howling masses but of camera and microphone holders pushing and shouting in sweaty pursuit of the best possible lens angle.

This installment of Retro Report, a series of video documentaries evoking major news stories of the past to help explain the present, examines the evolution of the perp walk because it remains integral to the criminal justice process, notably in media-soaked environments like New York City. Variations of the ritual have recently taken place in criminal cases against the film producer Harvey Weinstein and the former Trump lawyer Michael D. Cohen. With the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III still at work, it would seem reasonable to anticipate more to come....

Some perp walks have become lore. John Gotti, the well-tailored mob boss who died in 2002, looked so self-satisfied that his walk amounted to a perp strut. In the 1980s, Rudolph W. Giuliani, then a federal prosecutor with a somewhat cavalier approach to the rights of the accused, built a tough-guy reputation by marching accused Wall Street types before the press. Some of the cases turned out to be flimsier than tissue paper. But they were good publicity for Mr. Giuliani, and fueled his successful run for New York mayor.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/perp-walk.html

If anybody needs a perp walk, it's Rudy.

stopdiggin

(12,413 posts)
62. thanks. nice post.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:47 PM
Aug 2022

I've never been particularly a fan - or impressed. Always seemed largely gratuitous to me ...

Thanks also for pointing to the political gains, and gamesmanship ...
And then - upon reflection - might Trump not represent a case that absolutely justified ... ?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
43. What the hell is there to be "alarmed" about?????
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:09 PM
Aug 2022

Those are all consequences faced by those who committed crimes.

If MF45 committed crimes, sold secrets to our enemies, and is responsible for IC damage and deaths of our agents & spies, do you not think he should face appropriate consequences? Up to and including any or all of the things mentioned?

To me, yes, it looks like he and his conspirators deserve to face a firing squad. I may be very liberal about most things, but what they have done to this country demands meaningful and sufficient punishment. Because that's what justice is.

Kaleva

(37,623 posts)
45. Some on the other side think we should face consequences if they win
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:14 PM
Aug 2022

Like jail or even execution for treason

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
48. Yes, but the difference is
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:20 PM
Aug 2022

our side didn't commit the treason, and they will do that no matter what. So it's all the more important that we bring them to justice now.

harumph

(2,145 posts)
56. and QNON people think JFK is still alive.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:32 PM
Aug 2022

What is your point other than to prove the asymmetry of facts?
If there is compelling evidence that Trump shared
TSI then I would like him to face the severest consequences available under the law.
And these delusional execrables can get back under the rock from whence they came
before Trump made it OK for them to crawl out and spread their shit and hate. I'm not a both sider
in any sense of the word.

Kaleva

(37,623 posts)
59. If there is compelling evidence is key
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:40 PM
Aug 2022

Right now we don't have it yet people are calling for his arrest and to be sentenced to prison

You are free to ignore the extremism coming from the left

I trust Garland to do the right thing.

harumph

(2,145 posts)
63. Well, the thing is, no matter what we have found out he did
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:52 PM
Aug 2022

the next day brings even worse reports. It was that way for four friggin years.
Each day heralding a new low - a new outrage. Hence it is understandable that
those of us on the left have no good thoughts, charitability or grace to send his way.
He has proven time and again, that he is actually worse than the man he was the
day before. I'm pretty sure that most people on DU are waiting for the results
of a full investigation as to whether he "shared" TSI. I do not know the answer
to that question - but - it wouldn't surprise me at all if he did. I wish him ill.
He is a grotesquerie as are his hangers-on. I do not care at this point if his
supporters are upset. They're just waiting for an excuse to shoot up the place and
if it's not this issue, it'll be another. They're bullies unfit to live in society.
Remember in how Margaret Thatcher claimed there was no society. That's what
we're up against.

Kaleva

(37,623 posts)
57. If I thought they were Nazis, I'd be off the internet awhile ago
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:33 PM
Aug 2022

I couldn't leave the country but I could become the gray man. Not attracting attention. Not leaving a trail of evidence. But since I don't think they are Nazis, people who murder or jail those who oppose them, I post away with no worries

Thomas Hurt

(13,905 posts)
46. The Pig is a old, white, rich, man who has no prior convictions and is a former Pres.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:16 PM
Aug 2022

Donnie is not going to perp walk anywhere. He is not going to prison at all. He isn't going to executed.

The establishment will not let that happen to one of the elite. You may not like him but that is what he is. He is con artist and a malignant narcissist but he still has a lot of power.

Is he going to get fined if convicted sure. He might get some home confinement.

Real justice IMO is, hopefully, get him convicted of something that disqualifies him from office. That may not even fly though.

Otherwise his power needs to be diminished until he drops dead or is completed demented.

usonian

(12,358 posts)
49. I have a feeling that Uncle Vlad will take him out when his usefulness ends. So relax.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:21 PM
Aug 2022

Russia *REALLY HAS* space lasers (AFAICT)




AkFemDem

(2,019 posts)
70. I just want him to go away
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:58 PM
Aug 2022

It doesn’t even have to be to prison. Argentina is fine.

I’d be fine with Biden pardoning him as long as he can’t run again and remains persona non grata on the major social media platforms. Just shut him up and make him a non-entity.

PufPuf23

(9,124 posts)
116. The solution to the nation's woes is to totally remove Trump permanently from
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:27 AM
Aug 2022

any power and influence, discredit Trump to the max. A Biden pardon is far from enough.

In addition, there must be a deep dig to incise the surrounding rot of which Trump is a symptom.

To fail to neutralize and make a lesson of Trump and to not get his enablers and those that thought they would benefit, is to fail as a nation. The same problems will continue with more sophistication.

sir pball

(4,918 posts)
107. I'd be fine with putting him in the SHU at ADX Florence.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:19 AM
Aug 2022

He can say hi to his fellow Russian asset Robert Hanssen while he's there.

Or not, since he'd be locked in a 7'x12' plain concrete box, with MAYBE a radio if he's a very model prisoner, for 23.5 hours a day. For the rest of his miserable life. Man...thinking of that warms the heart, doesn't it?

Meowmee

(5,185 posts)
80. In my mind he has committed
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:26 AM
Aug 2022

Numerous heinous crimes, similar to war crimes. Such criminals have been executed in the past. I doubt however he will ever face any real consequences. He is most definitely violent and is responsible for the deaths of millions. He would gladly see anyone on this board or any one of his enemies executed or gravely harmed if he had the power to do that. Not long ago he tried to overthrow a valid election and stage a coup.

Lets not forget what he has done and what he is capable of and what he will try to do if he ever gains power again. He is still inciting violence through his supporters. He slept with a book of hitler’s speeches by his bedside for years and praised hitler to many more than we know of. Lets not forget any of this. Lets not forget that he is a very dangerous and violent psychopath.

I have not called for the things you listed, I ask for justice. I ask to feel safe from future harm that that monster already has and could further cause to my family and to this country and to the world. But honestly there will be no peace until he expires, of natural causes of course, because then he will be gone for good.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
125. If there's "infighting" that means I'm not alone in my opinion.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:53 AM
Aug 2022

Should we only discuss issues we all agree on?

 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
85. Has he or his minions threatened Dems w/ execution for treason?
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:59 AM
Aug 2022

I seem to remember there's been a few times - and they're series!!11!!

Vinca

(50,752 posts)
92. There are people sitting in jail at this very moment for taking one document. One!
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 06:32 AM
Aug 2022

Trump needs to be held accountable and it's easy to imagine this all being swept under the rug. Justice . . . yes. And that doesn't mean a slap on the wrist and a "bad, bad boy, Donald."

anarch

(6,536 posts)
93. the guy is literally an enemy of the state
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 06:39 AM
Aug 2022

frankly I suspect that whatever we hear about publicly regarding his treasonous behavior is watered down considerably from what he actually did; I think the "powers that be" would not want the full story to come out b/c it would be too much for the nation to bear.

I don't see how any "justice" can be done relative to his crimes without there being some kind of retribution.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
94. Regular working folks would have been arrested and jailed if we
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 08:16 AM
Aug 2022

stole documents from the National Archives, had them in our possession, and refused to give them back.

The wealthy white MAGAt king is clearly not subject to the same standard of "justice" that regular working folks are. It has already been shown that he is above the laws that regular working folks are subject to.

If justice for the MAGAt king is truly served, and from this moment forward meted out to him equally under the law, as it would be applied to regular working folks, I will be shocked to the very core of my being.

GoneOffShore

(17,539 posts)
105. Scratch people who have seen the criminals from the halls of government walk again and again
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:25 AM
Aug 2022

And they get ticked off.

No more wrist slaps for the Keatings and others of that ilk.

Blues Heron

(6,079 posts)
98. this feels like gaslighting because you listed 4 justice outcomes
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 08:56 AM
Aug 2022

but called them vengeance. Its ten years per document, he is literally looking at 3000 years in lockup.

PJMcK

(22,543 posts)
100. Justice is what we want
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:01 AM
Aug 2022

Trump has defrauded the people of the United States.

Indict him.

Try him.

Then let's see what happens.

The cries for vengeance are borne of the frustrations many of us feel because Trump is so obviously a criminal and a traitor.

Let's see those wheels of Justice turn and produce some results.

msfiddlestix

(7,600 posts)
101. All those things looks like Justice to me..guess you just want his hand slapped?
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:02 AM
Aug 2022

Seriously, what world do you live in?




 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
102. I see more and more of this here lately.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:15 AM
Aug 2022

Not only in reference to tfg.

“Bury him under the jail”, “ throw him in general population”, and so on and on. I’ve seen the calls for execution; there’s at least one in this very thread.

I’ve long since lost count of the number of calls for prison rape I’ve seen here.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,737 posts)
121. The difference is, when I call for him to face the firing squad,
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:38 AM
Aug 2022

that is AFTER indictment, trial and conviction. I WANT him to suffer the humiliation of arrest, jailing, and trial. I WANT the world to see that justice will be served.

The poster who accused us of wanting MF45 "killed before he's even charged or tried" is lying. I don't think I've seen anyone call for that.

That is not what I mean, and I'm pretty sure that's not what other people wanting to see tRump justly punished mean.

Paladin

(28,598 posts)
104. There's nothing "alarming" about it.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:24 AM
Aug 2022

trump has escaped justice, time and time again. He is WAY the hell overdue for judicial proceedings and punishment. There is no convincing argument to the contrary.

Demsrule86

(70,660 posts)
110. He very likely sold or gave top secret information that got agents and sources killed.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:48 AM
Aug 2022

He deserves a perp walk. Although I doubt it will happen. Seriousy, I am against the death penalty but he likely killed people. I still don't believe in death for anyone but I want to see him put away where he can do no more harm

Bettie

(16,757 posts)
160. I think we're supposed to advocate
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:45 PM
Aug 2022

for a stern "Don't let it happen again" and a light tap on the wrist before sending him out to do the same thing again.

Not happening.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
128. Cross out alarming add thankfully. "Thankfully, I'm seeing a demand for vengeance here..."
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:58 PM
Aug 2022

There, fixed it for you.

You're goddamn right.

And it's way past time for it.


lark

(23,769 posts)
132. Perp walk sounds like justice to me.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 02:11 PM
Aug 2022

As for the others, we need more information before we know if he'd really qualify for those.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

BigDemVoter

(4,475 posts)
135. Perp-walked, having him in supermax, sent to Gitmo would
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:50 PM
Aug 2022

all be signs that justice was served. Please note that I didn't say he should be executed.

But these other punishments would have already occurred if the individual were African American or Muslim or whatever.

Sky Jewels

(8,563 posts)
136. Let's see. This mfer tried to overthrow U.S. government in a violent coup,
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:55 PM
Aug 2022

pushed racist/sexist/anti-immigrant policies and propaganda, tried to overturn an election he clearly lost, made the U.S. a global disgrace, lied literally thousands of times, assaulted women and girls, scammed thousands in through his corrupt businesses, sold the US out to Russia and Saudi Arabia, threw our intelligence agencies under the bus, gave or sold top secret information to our enemies, killed untold hundreds of thousands through his horrible pandemic response, tried to become dictator for life, committed so many crimes it's exhausting to think about, tried to blackmail the president of Ukraine, tried to destroy NATO, and on and on and on ... and you're fucking worried about ... what? Appearances? Are you fucking serious?! What is wrong with you?! Whose side are you on?!

DET

(1,581 posts)
144. Thank You
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:27 AM
Aug 2022

I’m sure brooklynite would be happy to give you a peek into the rarefied atmosphere that he shares with his many, many highly placed friends and his important lawyer wife. They’re simply above the fray. Meanwhile, the rest of us mere mortals wait (probably in vain) for some small semblance of justice for the most treasonous behavior by a President and a political party that our country has ever seen. I don’t care if you call it justice or vengeance, it’s long overdue.

ecstatic

(34,000 posts)
138. What is the appropriate punishment for someone who's responsible for the deaths
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:02 PM
Aug 2022

of over half a million people? Look at how the United States did compared to every other fucking country on the globe. There's no comparison. And negligent homicide is just one of his many crimes.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,827 posts)
145. From Nixon to Trump crimes but no healing
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:28 AM
Aug 2022

Nixon crimes, but no time served for him and no healing
Reagan crimes and no time served and no healing
Bush I crimes and no time served and no healing
Bush II crimes and no time served and no healing
Trump all time crimes and no healing (the amount of pain caused by this loser, can't really be measured)


We need more then a perp walk...we need some serious justice and some serious Karma

betsuni

(27,088 posts)
147. I always assume everyone involved in bringing Trump and associates to justice are getting
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 03:12 AM
Aug 2022

scary death threats. This is international organized crime, they'll kill you. Don't know why nobody seems to think about this.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Bettie

(16,757 posts)
159. So, are we supposed to hope that he has
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:43 PM
Aug 2022

a lovely day and that DOJ drops it because he's sad about it?

Seriously, we want justice.

Is there hyperbole? Yeah, probably because he is quite literally what a focus group would come up with when asked to make up a character with all the worst traits found in humanity. If he were a villain for a movie, they would say he's too "over the top evil".

I would love to see a perp walk. It would make me smile.

Sending him to Supermax would solve the Secret Service issue. He would be safe in his little room 23 hours a day.

GITMO shouldn't exist, even for that orange man.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for less than he has likely done, but I am against the death penalty, so I don't want that.

I do, however, wish for him to go to prison along with his odious children.

I would not be happy to send him along his way with a hand slap and a semi-stern "don't do it again".

spanone

(137,268 posts)
161. Well, justice can....
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 01:54 PM
Aug 2022

get you "perp walked'.

put you in "Supermax".

put you in "Gitmo".

get you "Executed".


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