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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:41 PM Aug 2022

Dahlia Lithwick: The Men Just Keep Talking

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/male-politicians-women-voters-abortion.html

The Men Just Keep Talking
There is something happening with angry women voting on abortion. Male politicians don’t seem to have noticed.
By Dahlia Lithwick
Aug 28, 20227:00 PM


Long after the time had passed for male GOP officials to stop, to just stop, pretending they know or understand anything about female anatomy, reproductive organs, medical emergencies and basic preventative health care, they have continued to talk. They have continued to talk and talk and talk even when the massive blowback after the Dobbs decision proved it was an error; Kansas proved it was an error; and after the surprise election of Pat Ryan in a New York special election proved it was an error. Every time a Republican man opens his mouth to talk about women’s bodies, ten new female voters get their wings. Yet somehow, they cannot seem to stop themselves!

It is surely the very textbook definition of “privilege” to find yourself unbothered by protests, polling numbers, and voter registration data. Justice Samuel Alito actually laughed in the face of outraged females who called out the bad history, bad economics, and bad medicine in his leaked draft opinion—their complaints were numerous and well-founded, yet he didn’t change a thing. Instead, he smugly told women that if they didn’t like the outcome in Dobbs, they could just “seek to affect the legislative process by influencing public opinion, lobbying legislators, voting, and running for office” and that “women are not without electoral or political power.” The court’s newest approval ratings suggest the same, though I don’t think Justice Alito likes that kind of political power very much at all.

Because, Happy Women’s Equality Day, women are taking him up on the offer. One analysis of the Kansas’ voter registration list showed that in the week after Dobbs, more than 70 percent of newly registered voters in that state were women. Those numbers, according to an Upshot analysis of 10 states with available voter registration data, show consistently higher registration for women after the Dobbs leak in May. As Jennifer Rubin recently noted, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that, “62 percent of women registering since Dobbs registered as Democrats, 15 percent as Republicans and that 54 percent were younger than 25.” And a Pew Research Center poll indicates that “a majority of registered voters (56 percent) say the issue of abortion will be very important in their midterm vote, up from 43 percent in March.” Tom Bonier, CEO Of TargetSmart recently posted on Twitter: “We are seeing early signs of what could lead to a huge increase in women voting in November. …This surge is young and female.” Both Mitch McConnell and RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel are panicking about the GOP’s odds in Congress, directly connected to fundraising around abortion.

I have a lot of theories about why nobody should be surprised that women are friggin’ furious right now, which include, as Mark Joseph Stern has been arguing all summer, the increasingly horrifying tales of women, disproportionately on teenagers and victims of violence, left to suffer from sepsis, refused prescriptions and denied treatment for ectopic pregnancies, and ever more horrors. And yet, the forced birth Republicans continue to insist that none of this is happening, or that journalists and physicians are making it all up.

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It’s not mere coincidence that new polling shows that “threats to democracy” is suddenly ranked as the number one issue for registered voters. It rolled in at 21 percent, this week, overtaking the economy, crime, and abortion. When you are repeatedly being told by those in power that your preferences don’t matter and when those in power believe that saying the quiet parts out loud is electorally costless, they aren’t just saying that women don’t matter. They’re saying democracy doesn’t matter either. But it turns out they don’t get to decide that. You do.
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Dahlia Lithwick: The Men Just Keep Talking (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2022 OP
man great quote- mopinko Aug 2022 #1
my prediction- mopinko Aug 2022 #2
And still, these asshats won't have a clue. vanlassie Aug 2022 #3
they're even pissing off the dads. mopinko Aug 2022 #4
Dads care for their wives & daughters, but this is also very much an economic issue... Hekate Aug 2022 #14
and i have 1 fertile daughter mopinko Aug 2022 #5
My daughter is thinking about getting pregnant next year. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #22
Until they lose, and then they'll lie and say we stole it via more people voting. Volaris Aug 2022 #12
It has alway been common place for men to ignore women. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #21
+1 chowder66 Aug 2022 #6
"54 percent were younger than 25" -- that is huge. crickets Aug 2022 #7
Come on Voters! James48 Aug 2022 #8
America awakening to the fact that voting matters. Better late than never. Let's hope. czarjak Aug 2022 #9
Never trust any of them who say they've rethought the issue Warpy Aug 2022 #10
If the legislation was about male penises, 100% certain they would have done their homework. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #23
K&R betsuni Aug 2022 #11
Our christo-fascist mullahs and clerics The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2022 #13
Well spotted Hekate Aug 2022 #15
Keep talking .... wsulik Aug 2022 #16
This should be embroidered on many, many pillows. ShazzieB Aug 2022 #17
A major kick for this supremely timely post! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2022 #18
"What? You don't think women want to be second class citizens?" gratuitous Aug 2022 #19
They have always said women are too stupid to make good decisions. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #24
Women and girls are not government-owned incubators or brood slaves. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #20
You know, some of us men are just as outraged Saboburns Aug 2022 #25
Yes, we know and we thank you! babylonsister Aug 2022 #26

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
1. man great quote-
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:01 PM
Aug 2022

Every time a Republican man opens his mouth to talk about women’s bodies, ten new female voters get their wings. Yet somehow, they cannot seem to stop themselves!

any prognosticator who is still spouting about the historical precedent should be laughed at loudly.

vanlassie

(5,675 posts)
3. And still, these asshats won't have a clue.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:17 PM
Aug 2022

They are as brain spoiled as the MAGAs. They don’t listen. They don’t see. They are walking talking hunks of stinking entitlement. This is the result of a culture that puts mens wants and needs first. Today’s mothers are more clued in, I hope. I know my kids are.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
4. they're even pissing off the dads.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:31 PM
Aug 2022

there was a poll a while back that showed a d+28 shift in dads.
they're so very fucked.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
14. Dads care for their wives & daughters, but this is also very much an economic issue...
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 01:06 AM
Aug 2022

Nobody in their right mind these days expects they will have to support a baby a year.

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
5. and i have 1 fertile daughter
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:32 PM
Aug 2022

out of 3, and come for her and you have no idea the fury you will meet.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
22. My daughter is thinking about getting pregnant next year.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:16 PM
Aug 2022

I have already told her I will take her to Canada if she needs emergency care.

And yes when they came after her, they are going to see hell on wheels from me.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
12. Until they lose, and then they'll lie and say we stole it via more people voting.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:42 AM
Aug 2022

And when THAT OBVIOUS bullshit is called for the nonsense it is, they'll claim we tromped all over their religious free speech and used the election to 'cancel' all those republican seats...see how unfair it all is to Us Christians?!?!

Well, ummmm..YES THAT EXACTLY, because You Fuckers are not ENTITLED to anything..let alone Rule.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
21. It has alway been common place for men to ignore women.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:14 PM
Aug 2022

It is only more recently that some men are willing to listen to females.

Old habits die hard.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
7. "54 percent were younger than 25" -- that is huge.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:54 PM
Aug 2022

They haven't just riled up women, they've riled up younger women who were less likely to vote before. Way to go. Pollsters are not taking this into account the way they should. None of them have any idea what's coming in the midterms. It's going to get interesting.

Go blue!! 💙

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
10. Never trust any of them who say they've rethought the issue
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:10 AM
Aug 2022

and regret their partisan vote denying health care to half the state;s population, never mind that basic human right to one's own body.

They should have thought of all this before they voted. They just didn't consider us to be important enough to think about.

Throw them out. All of them.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
23. If the legislation was about male penises, 100% certain they would have done their homework.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:22 PM
Aug 2022

Of course, if men's bodies are regulated in any way there would be WWIII.

Women are supposed to shut up and take whatever men throw their way.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,817 posts)
13. Our christo-fascist mullahs and clerics
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:59 AM
Aug 2022

Don’t dress all sinister-like, in black robes/turbans with snowy-white wizard beards and a crazed look in their heavy-browed eyes.
But they’re still goddamned evil.

ShazzieB

(16,412 posts)
17. This should be embroidered on many, many pillows.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 02:40 AM
Aug 2022

"Every time a Republican man opens his mouth to talk about women’s bodies, ten new female voters get their wings." -- Dahlia Lithwick

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. "What? You don't think women want to be second class citizens?"
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:18 AM
Aug 2022

It's clear that you ladies just don't understand what's going on here. Let's have a succession of men who don't understand anatomy or biology or medicine explain it all for you.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
24. They have always said women are too stupid to make good decisions.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:24 PM
Aug 2022

That is why it took so long for women to get the vote or to be allowed into colleges.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
20. Women and girls are not government-owned incubators or brood slaves.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:23 AM
Aug 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

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Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
25. You know, some of us men are just as outraged
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 04:28 PM
Aug 2022

I'm not picking a fight.

I'm just pointing out something not mentioned in the OP that I think is important and needs to be remembered.

I'm with you ladies!

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