Could this finally be "it"??

[moose65]

Over the past 6 years, how many times have we heard "Trump is toast" and then been disappointed?

Pussy grabbing? Nope.

Mocking a disabled reporter? Nope.

Giving the most downbeat, America-hating inaugural address in history? Nope.

Four years of incompetence? Nope.

Refusing to concede and assist in the peaceful transfer of power? Nope.

Inciting a riot on January 6? Nope.

This seems different to me. There is no way to explain away the taking of classified materials after he left the White House. Wasn't the entire outrage of "But her emails" related to the possible release of classified information? The Republicans have no possible explanation for this, and they are floundering. Some of them have already realized this and are slowly leaving the Trump train.

I am cautiously optimistic that Trump has finally overplayed his hand. We shall see.

[samnsara]

1. arent there 4 investigations into him now including J6?

.. i think Fanni is gonna nail him....

[Siwsan]

2. I just can't get my hopes up.

Except that I hope my pessimism is misplaced.

[Orrex]

3. Trump's KKKult will worship him until the last of them is dead

Nothing will change that. Literally nothing. They could catch Trump in the act of violently sodomizing their own children, and they would still mortgage their trailers to help pay for his legal defense. They are an incurable pathology.

Before some pearl-clutcher scolds me for "dehumanizing language," I hasten to add that these KKKultists have chosen to make themselves an incurable pathology, by deliberately rejecting fact, logic, and evidence. It's not some inherent flaw of birth; they have actively embraced the deranged carnival barker who hates everything about them except the money and power they give him.

Nothing will cure that pathology from the outside, but they themselves can reject it if they choose.

So, as to your question. Will this finally be "it?" Maybe. For the reality-based crowd, probably. At some point, after executives make the necessary calculations re: market risk and viewership, mainstream media might likewise decide that this is "it." Hell, even NPR might eventually accept reality and make a firm statement about it, rather than the 6+ years of tepid, mealy-mouthed coverage they've given us so far.

But close to half of the country will never, ever abandon him.

[moose65]

7. I'm not talking about the true believers

I don't think there is anything that will cause them to see Trump for what he really is.

I mean, the real movers and shakers behind the Republican party - the Super Duper Rich. This might make them finally be ready to dump him and move on.

Also, the mainstream media. This issue might finally force them to be more direct and truthful about Trump.

And I don't think it's "close to half" of the country. It's more like a ceiling of 40% ( and probably more like 35%).

[Orrex]

10. I hope you're right about the MSM.

For the most part, they're still too timid even to call him out for any of his ~30,000 lies while in office. And they're just as afraid of being labeled "liberal." I would love to see them finally start speaking frankly about him as the subject of multiple investigations.

You might be right about the 35%. My perspective on that is tainted by local sampling, where it's probably closer to 60 or 70.

[moose65]

23. Oh, I get that

Around here, I am in a liberal blue dot surrounded by a sea of red. I get it. It seems like 60 or 70 around here too!

[Kaleva]

18. Less then 30% of adults voted for TFG in 2020

A number who voted for him vote R no matter who. So his ceiling of die hard support is down in the low 20s and maybe in the teens

[Meadowoak]

19. Probably

[msfiddlestix]

4. Not until the Fat Lady Sings, and I'm not hearing her singing yet.

18 months of negotiating custody of classified documents?

If it were any one of us... our lives and the lives of our families, friends and other peeps in our circles would be turned upside down in an instant. No negotiating jack all. early dawn raids, savage and humiliating arrests in plain site of everyone in our communities, every nook and cranny in our humble abodes would be shrewn asunder, all accounts seized etc etc etc.

[Orrex]

11. Our assets would have been frozen and/or seized

We would be unemployable and likely arrested outright.

But Trump? Meh.


I'm still not 50% convinced that he'll face any real charges, and I simply can't convince myself that he'll be convicted, even though he's 100% guilty.

[msfiddlestix]

17. I'd say it's possible that he might face some charges, possibly, but he won''t be held accountable

At least not in a way that any of us would absolutely be held to.

He might have to pay some fines.. but I just don''t see him being prosecuted for the most egregious, treasonous crimes.

and even, it would likely occur years from now

so, not banking on it either..

but maybe we're just too impaitent...

[Orrex]

20. Any fine less than the entire value of his present and future portfolio will be too little

As will any jail time less than the rest of his already far too long life.

[Captain Zero]

24. Yeah, but it's not like we actually know where all of TFG's assets are anyway

That's part of the problem with him.
His money laundering through his multiple pyramids of LLCs

[Orrex]

25. True enough

Seize everything visible, and when money magically appears from elsewhere, seize that too.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. Unless the FBI is totally corrupt, he will be indicted

There is no middle ground with these classified documents, no way to slip between the fingers of justice.

The only way out is if the DOJ is investigating him for documents that truly aren't classified and he had a right to possess.

[NQAS]

6. One can hope

If the classified docs is the offense tgst gets him indicted and convicted, I would argue that’s just the new beginning.

I suspect that CIA already has confirmation that these documents were given to our enemies and that intelligence assets have already been arrested/killed as a result. Those crimes may never get to trial, but they can be used as leverage to get him to just stfu and plead guilty and exit stage right.

[Meowmee]

8. You left out a lot...

Murdering over one million Americans... NOPE and a lot more... NOPE

The denial and craziness of the past few years is a sign of mass insanity and near anarchy.

The fact that you are cautiously optimistic that he has overplayed his hand finally says how crazy things really are now.

[moose65]

22. Maybe I am stating this in the wrong way

A lot of the other things could be explained as "politics as usual," even though we know that was bullshit.

But this can't be explained that way. No other President has taken classified material and kept it at their home, where it could be accessed by anyone the former President allowed.

They tried to float the excuse that "Obama did it too" but that was quickly debunked. They aren't saying that any longer!

In saying he "overplayed" I meant that he has tried something finally that he can't get out of. No amount of shouting or squirming can erase the facts here. Shit, he keeps admitting that he had the documents and doesn't see any problem.

[Meowmee]

26. I see what you mean

Lets hope this is it… finally someone will hold him accountable for something and also render him incapable of doing more harm.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

9. Slow walking COVID response.

I place at least 500K deaths on him.

[Meowmee]

13. he did a lot more than slow walk-

he concealed his clear knowledge of the danger and much more

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

14. Yes, he did.

[BlackSkimmer]

12. Nope. nt

[dsp3000]

15. This is so much worse than "her emails" by orders of magnitude...

[doc03]

16. Unless they have a video of him handing top secret papers to

Putin himself I think the election case in Georgia is stronger.

[moose65]

21. I'm not talking about which case is stronger

I am saying that this issue cannot be explained away, as Trump has done with everything else. There simply IS no alternative explanation. The handling of classified documents has a well-defined protocol. Trump, of course, doesn't give a shit about that, but there are a LOT of people (even Republicans) who DO care a lot about it.

[demtenjeep]

27. f#%$@#$ up the covid response

killing millions