I'm Bracing Myself

[NanceGreggs]

No, not out of fear of the MAGAloons "rioting in the streets".

I am bracing myself for what we are about to learn about the depths of Trump's treason, how widespread the conspiracy to overthrow our democracy was, and just how many Republicans were willing to sell-out our country in exchange for promises of personal enrichment and political power.

I believe that what has been uncovered so far is literally the "tip of the iceberg" - and I am bracing myself for the impact of the whole truth inevitably being revealed.

As the old Chinese curse goes, we live in interesting times - and those times are about to get a lot more mind-blowingly, earth-shatteringly, oh, my God, I had no idea interesting.

Buckle-up, America - we're in for a very bumpy ride.

[FalloutShelter]

1. I am right there with you Nancy.

I think it is really bad and when we get ALL of the story, even we will be shocked.
I do think there will be violence. We won't just be indicting TFG, we will have to clean house and that will mean disqualifying some congressmen and senators from holding office.

A bumpy ride indeed.

[Emile]

2. Judgment Day is coming for Trumpy boy!

[Hortensis]

3. +1000. tRump's own secret meetings with Putin are never far

from my surface when this subject comes up, among so much else we've heard bits about, all mere clues of what's still to be revealed. That can be.

[thucythucy]

24. What ever happened about the translators present at those meetings?

I would love to see them testifying as to what was said.

[Hortensis]

30. Good question, though tRump apparently sometimes avoided bringing

an American interpreter to their face-to-face or private meetings. We can subpoena Putin's.

By electing Biden, we apparently got records of tRump's calls from the WH. I'm guessing stuff that wasn't acted on before (Democrats decided not to divert to big investigations of the private meetings, etc, when they happened) may become newly actionable as a result of what's coming out now. It was always a huge deal, of course.

[Joinfortmill]

36. 👍

[ewagner]

34. ah, yes....the interpreters...

I am mystified as to why he/she/they haven't been subpoenaed...in a secure location to testify as to the conversations in those meetings.

Question though:

Under who's jurisdiction would the questioning take place...Homeland Security? CIA? FBI?

[Hortensis]

40. We can't know if they've been interviewed, with or without subpoena.

Information about details of investigations often doesn't come out for months, if then.

No idea, of course, about jurisdiction, no doubt would "depend." The CIA collects foreign intelligence, and I don't think its functions include subpoenaing witnesses.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

4. Interesting times indeed.

[2naSalit]

5. I've been...

Buckled up since the escalator ride. I'm just waiting for the big kahuna wondering who will be standing when the dust settles.

[MontanaMama]

28. Boy howdy, me too.

I can vividly remember being beside myself with grief and fear the night of the 2016 election and so many people saying “relax, how bad can it be?” My spouse being one of them. I’m not over it.

[Hortensis]

38. Election night went to bed around 7-8, and weirdly right to sleep.

Don't remember if I helped it along. I Polls had been swinging wildly-bizarrely for a few weeks, and I was too stressed to sit out the returns. Spent the next several months waking in the middle of the night feeling sick and worried.

2016 is not over. So how could we be over it? I'm a lifelong optimist and still worried that we haven't yet learned "how bad can it be?"

[BadgerMom]

62. The night started in California with a pre-polls closing

visit to a favorite Mexican restaurant complete with celebratory margaritas. I’d been a bit happy-weepy throughout he day thinking about my mom, who had voted for Shirley Chisholm in the California primary years earlier but who died before Hillary’s run. I wished she could have seen this—I mistakenly thought. By 9:30 or 10 my brother called and asked if I was watching this sh**. I told him I’d turned off the tv about 15 minutes before he called and was now drinking margaritas. His response? “Good idea.” We hung up. I’m not sure what I dreamt that night, but I awakened depressed and hung over. I didn’t spend the next 4 years hung over, but I sure was depressed. And horrified. And alarmed. And determined to do everything possible to resist.

[Hortensis]

73. Well, at least you had a nice election evening, BadgerMom,

including wishing your mom was there to see it. The one we wanted and the way it really should have been. For a while.

Apparently Biden is going to give a national address Thursday on the threat to democracy and the soul of our nation. Sounds good as more people start realizing and maybe are finally getting in the mood to pay attention.

[BadgerMom]

74. 👍🏻

[2naSalit]

43. I'll never get over it.

It ended my working career and caused me to be homeless for ten months, I have no sense of security about anything at this point.

[halfulglas]

58. Ah yes. Remember "Our institutions will protect us"?

We can never look at our "institutions" the same again. Some bent but held - more or less. Some shattered.

[calimary]

79. Like that quote, MontanaMama.

I'm keeping it.

[BSdetect]

6. And we will be shattered to learn how bad it was and for how long and with nothing done about it

by our so called protectors who knew, supposedly

[WmChris]

9. Traitors

I thought my already overwhelmed concern level was maxed out, then 8 trumpublicans went to celebrate 4th of July with their benefactors in russia and I knew we were only scratching the surface. We do in fact live in scary times.

[Evolve Dammit]

21. Ah yes. The July 4 meeting in Russia. What were their names again? Welcome!

[suegeo]

39. Here you go. Thune's So Dak. Home of Butina, money laundering

[link:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395719-gop-senators-visited-moscow-on-july-4/|]

The GOP lawmakers, Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Thune (S.D.), John Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.) and John Hoeven (N.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas), spent July 4 in Moscow’s U.S. Embassy, NPR reported.

[Wild blueberry]

51. Also Ron Johnson, WI

Let's elect Mandela Barnes, Wisconsin!

[Evolve Dammit]

71. Not just "deplorable", but bought and paid for Putin pawns to bering down USA. MAYBE i'm wrong?

[Evolve Dammit]

72. Thanks for the list of the "useful idiots." n/t

[calimary]

45. My biggest fear is that "...with nothing done about it" part.

I’m still fearful that somehow this bastard will slither out of danger - AND accountability- yet again.

I

Want

him

GONE.

[babsbunny]

7. I worry about what amount of danger we face now, as a country

I know they can't give specifics, but we need to be reassured by someone who knows. I can only assume there is no reassurance to give at this point.

[Efilroft Sul]

8. My shocks have been sorely tested since 2016, but they're still holding up.

Let's get it on and get it over.

[rubbersole]

10. "It will blow the roof off the house."

[LetMyPeopleVote]

11. TFG took these records for some purpose

[kentuck]

13. Good point to remember.

He doesn't do anything that is not to his benefit.

[Saboburns]

12. Concur!

Been saying much the same, and been catching a lot of flack on here for saying it.

But I think what I think.

“You don’t need a weathermen to know which way the wind blows.”

[Joinfortmill]

37. 👍

[Saboburns]

57. Fort Mill South Carolina??

My buddies and I used to frequent a dive bar in Fort Mill, SC in the early 90's.

Vic's Place or Vic's Bar it was called. Got to be good friends with the folks who owned it.

[MiHale]

80. Right there with you...

Ever since the first impeachment I’ve said people will be shocked when the truth is known, that it is so deep it will rock the entire worldwide political scene. Truthfully no one ever disagreed.

[Pepsidog]

14. A dialogue needs to start talking about Trump's exposure to the death penalty if found to have sold

national secrets. Let’s amp up the talk and let Diaper Donnie poo his depends.

[Cyrano]

15. We're not going back to "normal"

Nance, I see three possible outcomes of this "very bumpy ride." 1. The current organization called "The Republican Party" will be dismantled and replaced by the "Never Trumpers." 2. We will screw up the opportunity and the Republican criminal organization will end up owning the country. 3. It may turn into "A Hundred Year (political) War," with neither side ever gaining total control.

Then again, my crystal ball may be filled with total bullshit and some unforeseen outcome occurs. But whatever happens, "Buckle-up, America," is good advice.

[Elessar Zappa]

54. Based on my historical studies and

the current conditions in this country, I’d say one of the likely outcomes is increased frequency of maga terrorist incidents, kind of like the Troubles in Northern Ireland but perhaps not as severe. One thing I DON’T see happening is a wide scale civil war.

[llmart]

16. I don't find them interesting so much as frightening and depressing.

I have days where I'd like to be that person who can stick their head in the sand and pretend this doesn't matter. I really do. But I've always been one who kept current on what goes on in our government, so I can't be that person.

Me? I'm bracing for the possibility that he will never be duly held accountable for what he's done. His punishment(s) will be minor, if any, in comparison to his crimes.

[LittleGirl]

29. Ditto! nt

[calimary]

47. Yep. Me too.

Desperately hoping to be wrong about that.

[spanone]

17. K&R

[Thunderbeast]

18. Welcome to Westeros!

[liberalla]

19. I hope we learn about it all. I fear we won't because some things will be too sensitive...

Too top secret... Info held for decades and decades like 9/11 and Kennedy assassination.

[wnylib]

83. And the fact that it's top secret gives

MAGAs their chance to claim that charges are made up since the evidence is kept from the public.

[niyad]

20. Spot on, as always.

[ashredux]

22. As I've been saying, whatever you think is the worst case scenario, it's going to be worse

[MerryBlooms]

31. Yes, and we may never know just how bad because of the sensitive nature.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. How much stuff can you sell in 6 years...

Trump attacks U.S. foreign policy, political press corps on state-owned Russian television network - The Washington Post

[riverbendviewgal]

25. No wonder they wanted to claim Biden didnt win.

The maga republicans did not want all this to get out. Fortunately the January 6th coup failed. The truth is coming out fast and furious now. Good!

[The Jungle 1]

26. I don't want the indictment served until the beginning of October.

Then we keep it in the news cycle every day 24-7.
The Democrats played the The Inflation Reduction Act like real pros. Do it again.
Beginning in October we scream:
Inflation and gas cost are dropping. We are getting real prescription relief. Republicans want to ban abortion and birth control. Democrats are doing something about climate change. Trump has been indicted for treason and republicans are corrupt. All day everyday.
What I am not hearing is what Democrats will do next if given the congress again. We need to hear that message.

[Jarqui]

27. Trump went to a lot of trouble to keep authorities

from seeing these documents.

There had to be a reason.

He's all about himself. So the reason relates to that.

I too strongly suspect it is a lot worse than mere obstruction.

Much like how he chose to obstruct rather than allowing folks to find out about his involvement with Russia in the 2016 election.

[Joinfortmill]

32. It must all be exposed for the healing to begin.

[WestMichRad]

33. Expect the worst.

If anything, the Repukes have shown us (repeatedly) that there’s no bottom to how low they’ll go.

[Marthe48]

35. I don't think we'll ever know full damage

Some of the information was so sensitive, it can't be revealed, at least for a long, long time. I hope that traitor wasn't able to get his hands on the information that could harm our country the worst if it fell into the wrong hands, hope that some of the intelligence pros gave him wrong info to feed to our enemies, hope there is punishment for traitor and his henchmen, hope we can contain the damage to our security and to our country. Just sickening.

[Buckeyeblue]

41. Of course it'll be bad. Trump wants to burn this country down and install his family dictators.

And a certain percentage of people and politicians are fine with that. Anything to deny civil rights.

[kacekwl]

42. I sincerely hope that this whole

total assault on our government by Republicans isn't covered up. For once we the people need to know the full extent of the crimes committed and by who. They need to name names and punishment needs to be swift . Removal from office if warranted needs to happen. If the Supreme Court gets involved citizens the Democratic party and other members of the court must force the MAGA side of the court to decide by rule of law not rule of trump.

[Loge23]

44. The sad plight of a MAGA

You just spent six+ years of your life in fealty to a fraud - bad enough, but now you find out that you have been backing a traitor, a brought and paid for foreign asset whom has been working for sworn enemies of the USA. It's entirely possible that his nefarious deeds have resulted in the capture, torture, and death of American operatives. Now what, MAGA? Do you go all in and renounce the very country that you falsely claimed to love? Do you wave the flag of the Saudis, the Russians or the Chinese now?
A tragically sad chapter in American history is playing itself out. I suggest that the Magats find themselves a large rock to climb under and remove themselves from the mainstream society that they never should have had access to to begin with.

[calimary]

48. Denial runs deep.

Sometimes I think it’s right up there with gravity as a force of nature.

[cynical_idealist]

55. There's no such thing as denial

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[The Wizard]

67. Cognitive dissonance is covered by Obamacare. (NT)

[peppertree]

46. It's probably SO bad in fact, that we'll never know the half of it

[Snackshack]

49. I hope

The Dems realize this has to happen and don’t cut a deal out of a fear of unrest that the GOP is undoubtedly going to try and whip. Because as you point out DT couldn’t do this alone so just how far down the roster does this go into the GOP…

[relayerbob]

50. Yep. Although we will never know just how bad it was

Too much was too deeply classified. We have been betrayed as no one has ever betrayed the US, and certainly ranks in the top few worst cases, if not the worst case, of betrayal in history.

[nowforever]

52. Good thing is

Trump is such a dummy, he has no ability to cover his tracks, and he always has other dummies around him like Jared, so I think a firing squad is warming up somewhere. I would prefer a public hanging on Capital steps but I guess you cannot have everything.

[H2O Man]

53. Recommended.

[wendyb-NC]

56. There is no limit it

What tfg, has done with those files. It is horrifying to think about it. Yet, we must hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.

Thank you, for your post, as always, it is filled with insight and sums things up impeccably well.

[NeoGreen]

59. The good old days may not return...

...

...'m learning to fly but I ain't got wings
Coming down is the hardest thing

Well, the good old days may not return
And the rocks might melt and the sea may burn

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

Post-trump, the US may never (will likely never) be the same due to all the broken norms in the daily and political spheres of life as we knew them.

We're experiencing the Paradox of Tolerance in real time.

One side strives to engage in honest debate, the other side desires to burn down the forum.

[orangecrush]

60. Word

[JustAnotherGen]

61. I feel

We are in peril.

Feeling is peril.


Thought?

[AKwannabe]

63. Can't agree. Unfortunately

The powers that be will NEVER let the commoners know what the fuck he did-most especially the worst of it. I beg to be proven wrong about this statement but I have “no hopes to give”. He will walk. We will still be in the dark and expected to keep paying taxes. So the same shit can keep happening going forward.

All of the Jan 6 stuff happened RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES…and there have been no consequences from impeachment so there will be no perp walk for mango Mussolini.

[area51]

75. +1 n/t

[crickets]

64. Well said, Nance. K&R for the post and the discussion.

[Brainfodder]

65. Awaiting chart of how much each crooked congress person took!

Expecting to be appalled at how little it took!

Any blackmail from Rootin Tootin Pootin?

Any truth to golden showers rumors?

[The Wizard]

66. Remember when he had a secret meeting

at the beginning of his reign with Lavrov. Just wondering what secrets he sold and how much was sent to an offshore money laundry. And now we have United States senators threatening us with violence if Trump is held accountable for crimes against America.
Trump must have some real dirt on Lindsey Graham. My guess is a graphic video with a teenager.

[lame54]

68. Will it be enough to...

Shake a few out of their stupor?

[Stuart G]

69. K. & R. Yes, The ride is bumpy, but this driver knows all the bumps & will have plenty ...

of help from other truly great drivers. Yes, there are other great drivers out there to help this country
through this awful show.

[empedocles]

81. Tremendous opportunities to make things better

A lot of this can go on for a long time.

[ariadne0614]

82. Can we trust that "the home of the brave" can measure up to a Ukrainian level of courage? n/t

[quakerboy]

70. That will all quietly disappear

It's been an open secret for as long as I have been a conscious being. Why would they change that now?

[Skittles]

76. preach it Sister Nance!

I am buckled up with popcorn!

[NullTuples]

77. Oooh! Oooh! Mista Kotta! Mista Kotta! I know this one!

1. The depth of Trump's treason has no limit
2. The overthrow involved people embedded in all levels of our government(s) controlled by Republicans.
3. All of the Republicans were and still are willing to sell out our country for wealth & power.

[G2theD]

78. I'm trying so hard not to get my hopes up!

I still remember the sting of Fitzmas and Mueller Time!

What do we call this? The Trump Dump?
The Doc Shock? We need something.