Looked over the list of late pardons Trump granted. These 2 jumped out:

[kpete]

Aviem Sella District of Columbia N/A Espionage - conspiracy to gather or deliver national defense information (two counts); violation of Subversive Activities Control Act - receiving or obtaining classified information by foreign agent
https://www.justice.gov/par...

And this one:

Kristian Mark Saucier District of Connecticut 12 months' imprisonment and three years' supervised release, conditioned upon six months' home confinement and the performance of 100 hours' community service (August 19, 2016) Unauthorized retention of defense information

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021

[empedocles]

1. TY. Interesting. Good work.

[TigressDem]

2. Very pertinent to the present storm of crazy.

Wonder where those people ARE right now?

Are they on the tRump payroll somehow?

[live love laugh]

13. Probably suicided.

[TigressDem]

19. Not Aviem Sella. He got that promotion he gave up in the 80's

He was shielded from consequences by Israel and never had to serve time or pay his fines.



https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Aviem_Sella

[TigressDem]

21. Kristian Saucier is a bizness man. Green River Solar

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristian-saucier-a3b486160?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

[onenote]

22. Sella is in Israel. He was charged in absentia -- he never was in jail in the US

At Netanyahu's request, he was pardoned 33 years after he was charged.

Saucier served his one year sentence and was released from prison in September 2017. Trump pardoned him six months after he got out of jail (in 2018 -- not a "late" pardon).

[TigressDem]

24. True. After pardon Sella got his Brigadere General status back.

And Saucier has his own business.

[electric_blue68]

3. Oh, good catch. (Grrrrrrr drumphf)

[dalton99a]

4. Absolutely relevant

[empedocles]

5. Oh, to be a fly on the wall, as to who, and why, made the pardon 'requests' to traitortrump,

and anything trump said in response.

[onenote]

16. The pardon of Sella was requested by Netanyahu.

[MyOwnPeace]

43. Does ANYBODY really believe tRump made ANY of those decisions?

He had his corps of flunkies who did ALL of the 'thinking' (sic) for him - they TOLD him what to think - he'd say "Yeah, that's what I want!" - and the corps would do what the 'brains' of the RepubliQan party wanted.
Again, House and Senate RepubliQans didn't give a single S**T what tRump did - as long as he signed what THEY had passed. He scratched their bal..., er, back, and they kissed his A$$ and let him play 'LEADER!'

So THEN, and even NOW, he has NO F**KING CLUE as to what has happened, who-did-what, or what it all means! (This is the 21st Century version of "The Wizard of Oz" - the fool behind the curtain has NO clue - and to think that we have another 'fool' running with that 'name!'

[Irish_Dem]

6. Everything Trump does is to benefit himself.

Either these guys paid a very large amount of money for the pardons or they were of some use to Trump.

Good catch and I hope the FBI is doing the same detective work and looking at these two guys.

[Mr.Bill]

7. Possibly couriers? n/t

[brush]

9. Yep, the facilitators.

[onenote]

28. Saucier was convicted of having taken pictures of sensitive areas of a sub on which he was stationed

He was charged with and plead guilty to unauthorized retention of national defense information and served a one year sentence; he was released upon completion of his sentence in September 2017.

[brush]

34. He served time. Apparently he took the photos for a reason.

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He's connected. There has to be a reason the orange worst person in the world pardoned him.

[onenote]

45. He pardoned him after his sentence was complete as a dig at Hillary.

During his presidency he would point to Saucier's case as "proof" that there was a double standard.

[brush]

46. IMO he thought he might at some point be useful.

We should all know by now there is no bottom to trump's corruption.

[TigressDem]

8. Aviem Sella - Spy Handler fled to Israel, no real consequences for his crime.

And after the pardon, gets rank of Brigadier General.




https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-34-year-delay-pollard-handler-aviem-sella-promoted-to-brigadier-general/


Col. (res.) Aviem Sella, the recruiter of Jonathan Pollard, the American naval intelligence analyst who spied on the United States for Israel, will receive the rank of brigadier general on Wednesday, the military said, 34 years after he was due to be promoted but instead left the army over his role in the espionage affair.

Sella, who has long since retired from military service, was meant to receive the rank of brigadier general in 1987, when he was tapped to command the Israeli Air Force’s Tel Nof Base. But due to his involvement in the Pollard affair, which caused a serious strain in the Israeli-American relationship, Sella instead stepped down from his position and fully retired from the military five years later.

[halfulglas]

10. Isn't it interesting? He did all these pardons but

He isn't going to get one as long as Dems are in control. Another reason to vote Dem forever.

[MontanaMama]

20. Not going to lie...

I fear a Dem may pardon TFG. It could happen....it shouldn't, of course. By all rights he should die in jail...But, depending on how healthy our country is at that moment...how close to civil war we are. This has the real potential to not end the way we want it to.

[wnylib]

27. No, I cannot imagine any scenario in which a Dem president

would pardon Trump. Not after J6, the theft of top secret documents, the GA and NY cases, plus whatever other crimes that we know about but can't prove in court.

[Resistance1]

33. What???

Why? That is giving in to extortion!! If trump is pardoned, we have lost the country anyway. Don't even talk like that Mama

[MontanaMama]

41. I don't want to even consider it a possibility and

it is absolutely giving in to extortion. I'm just saying we are in uncharted waters and nothing is off the table as sickening as that sounds.

[TigressDem]

36. YESSSSS!!!!!!! k&R

[Hermit-The-Prog]

11. Exchange of documents for opposition research?

[onenote]

29. Sella was charged for his activities in 1984-1987

So I don't think it had anything to do with Trump.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

31. I was looking at "August 19, 2016".

[TigressDem]

38. AND what did you find?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

39. That the answer to my question above is probably, "No". I was likely wrong in my supposition.

[TigressDem]

37. His previous crimes, no. But tRump pardoned someone who knows the drill.

IF you wanted someone who has connections to sell your secrets to Moscow via an indirect, not traceable back to you route, why not go with someone who has already been there, done that and evaded consequences and EVEN been rewarded for his service to his nation AGAINST his allies?


https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/09/01/pollard-handler-aviem-sella-makes-brigadier-general/

[Alice Kramden]

57. Good point n/t

[TigressDem]

12. AND Aviem Sella got from Pollard 100's if not 1,000's of names of US intelligence sources DEJA VU?

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/09/israels-military-promotes-handler-jailed-us-spy-brigadier-general

Pollard’s spying is considered one of the more damaging leaks in US intelligence history, revealing extensive guidance on US signals intelligence and the names of hundreds if not thousands of intelligence sources.

[crickets]

25. So, of course tfg pardoned Sella.

Just because Netanyahu asked him to, pretty please.

[TigressDem]

35. AND mega Rethug donors, the Adelsons.

In October 2021 they gave 172.7 million to the party, so they could have asked for pretty much anything.

[crickets]

47. Naturally. nt

[TigressDem]

14. Pollard's crime that Aviem Sella "handled"

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1999/01/18/the-traitor

A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard’s material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel.

Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union.

A significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union... Tells about Pollard's sale of a highly-classified ten-volume signal intelligence "bible"...

A senior intelligence official whose agency was involved in preparing the report for the White House told me, somewhat facetiously, that he would drop all objections to Pollard’s immediate release if the Israeli government would answer two questions: “First, give us a list of what you’ve got, and, second, tell us what you did with it.”...

[femmedem]

15. I don't think the Saucier pardon was anything except a slap at Hillary Clinton.

When he campaigned in 2016 he said it wasn't fair that Saucier was locked up for taking photos on a submarine but Hillary wasn't prosecuted for, you know, her emails.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristian_Saucier

And Aviem Sella's pardon came at the request of Israel. More than thirty years had passed. That might have fallen under trying to curry favor with Netanyahu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviem_Sella

[TigressDem]

40. Oh come one. Good business man always has multiple angles.

He got to stick it to Hillary, and this kid owes him now, so if tRump needs a little favor.....

And Aviem Sella's pardon came from one of the biggest donor couple to the reThuglican party, the Adelsons.

172.7 Million to the Thugs in Oct 2021.

tRump would have given them Eric on a spit for that.

[femmedem]

44. Oh, interesting about the Adelsons!

Yeah, that's a bit different.

[TigressDem]

17. Kristian Saucier - took photos of Nuclear Sub propulsion system, control panels & reactor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristian_Saucier

In 2009, Saucier took photographs of classified areas on the submarine while it was moored at Naval Submarine Base New London in Connecticut.

The photographs showed components of the submarine nuclear propulsion system, including "various control panels, a panoramic view of the reactor compartment and a panel that showed the condition and exact location of the submarine at the time the photo was taken."

FBI forensics showed that some of the photographs were taken at unusual hours, such as one photograph taken at 4 a.m. and others taken at 1:30 a.m. Personal electronic devices are prohibited aboard U.S. submarines owing to sensitive areas on board.

[Cozmo]

18. How much did these 2 pay him?

[TigressDem]

23. 172.7 Million

https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/trump-pardons-aviem-sella-jonathan-pollards-handler-656048

“Mr. Sella’s request for clemency is supported by the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer, the United States ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, and Miriam Adelson,” the statement read. “The State of Israel has issued a full and unequivocal apology, and has requested the pardon in order to close this unfortunate chapter in US-Israel relations.”


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/10/adelsons-set-new-donation-record/

The casino-owning couple and perennial super-spenders Sheldon and Miriam Adelson set a new record for donations from individuals in a single election cycle, giving $172.7 million.

[allegorical oracle]

26. He also pardoned Scooter Libby, who was tied to the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame

during W's administration.

[llashram]

30. this is

on the surface amazingly obvious whom he had contact with while the MAGA-RATS POTUS. Wow.

[Samrob]

32. I'm thinking there should be a law against pardoning anyone of a certain level of intel revelation.

Some kind of unpardonable level of crime for illegally giving away, or TS info to friends and enemies alike.

[mgardener]

42. The very last one

Judge Jeanne Pirrow husband.
From Fox news.

[halobeam]

48. Wow.. I hope you sent this out to a few people that could dig in more on this.

Very very good.

That POS needs to rot. He really did take the title over from Benedict Arnold.

[GreenWave]

49. Great ssuper sleuthing!

[spanone]

50. Serious convicted coke dealers....

Imagine if Obama....oh, nevermind

[Grasswire2]

51. vedy interesting sleuthing!

I'm sending on to a few people.

[SouthernDem4ever]

52. All of this tells me the president of the US has entirely too much authority and power and

no accountability. I hope the upcoming democratic congress fixes some of that

[Martin68]

53. You're right, these suggest Trump had an interest in passing defense secrets onto

the highest bidder all along.

[Evolve Dammit]

54. nice work. Has any MSM outlet ever detailed all the pardons? These two are interesting. K&R

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

55. Wow.

[Grasswire2]

56. Aviem Sella recruited Jonathan Pollard

Kristian Mark Saucier, a submariner, took photos in the ship.

[orangecrush]

58. Paydirt

[randr]

59. A Presidential pardon comes with a confession of the crime

These people have no shame in confessing to being traitors!