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applegrove

(118,838 posts)
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 03:41 PM Aug 2022

Garland Bans Political Appointees from Campaign Events

Garland Bans Political Appointees from Campaign Events

August 30, 2022 at 2:56 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 21 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2022/08/30/garland-bans-political-appointees-from-campaign-events/

"SNIP......

Attorney General Merrick Garland banned political appointees at the Department of Justice from participating in campaign events in any form.

Wrote Garland in a memo: “We must do all we can to maintain public trust and ensure that politics — both in fact and appearance — does not compromise or affect the integrity of our work.”

The Hill: “Previous policy allowed political appointees to sometimes attend partisan events in their personal capacities if they participated passively and obtained approval, but Garland on Tuesday barred those individuals from participating in partisan political events in any capacity, even if the event is private.”

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Garland Bans Political Appointees from Campaign Events (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2022 OP
Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems like a signal. FalloutShelter Aug 2022 #1
Interesting... EndlessWire Aug 2022 #3
+1 2naSalit Aug 2022 #5
He doesn't offer up a great number of lines to read between. Harker Aug 2022 #9
And it's a good message; the right message. NM Grins Aug 2022 #20
He's a judicious man, certainly. n/t Harker Aug 2022 #24
I agree. Assume defensive posture. mjvpi Aug 2022 #21
The biggest indication of action towards Benedict Donald MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #31
I hope it doesn't come to that but it would definitely be "a sign" as the saying goes. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #32
Bravo. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #2
Most intriguing! calimary Aug 2022 #4
As it should be. LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #6
+++ agree. n/t iluvtennis Aug 2022 #16
Interesting. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #7
Something big must be coming down liberal N proud Aug 2022 #8
Hmmm... Snackshack Aug 2022 #10
A number of SCOTUS judges though think that they do not need to abide by ethical standards. cstanleytech Aug 2022 #11
The R SCOTUS Judges believe they are above the LAW. KS Toronado Aug 2022 #17
The only law they follow is their religious laws. Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #22
Love this: Super Sky Daddy Better Days Ahoy Aug 2022 #34
A perception disorder that afflicts wnylib Aug 2022 #35
I also Rebl2 Aug 2022 #12
Huh? James48 Aug 2022 #13
Probably several dozen zipplewrath Aug 2022 #25
34 was the number I found Zeitghost Aug 2022 #33
Doesn't the Hatch Act already require this? FakeNoose Aug 2022 #14
Appointees? Yes except for certain circumstances (which he is apparently forbidding) BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #27
I like it! nt Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #15
It's a point of integrity and honor in cleaning up the mess that TFG left vlyons Aug 2022 #18
What does this actually mean? quakerboy Aug 2022 #19
In the case of indictments, there may be many named people who show their homework? mjvpi Aug 2022 #23
Especially in the DOJ zipplewrath Aug 2022 #26
Yes, what you are missing in this is that wnylib Aug 2022 #36
Must be. But my thought was appearance vs reality quakerboy Aug 2022 #37
There is something else that I think you are missing wnylib Aug 2022 #38
Well, thats proper mysterious. quakerboy Aug 2022 #39
I'm thinking the founders, from their perspective of blissful naivety, jaxexpat Aug 2022 #28
Caesar's wife must be above suspicion Jack the Greater Aug 2022 #29
Good move Garland SouthernDem4ever Aug 2022 #30

FalloutShelter

(11,887 posts)
1. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems like a signal.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 03:46 PM
Aug 2022

No one from the Department will be allowed to give any "political" ammunition to the GOP... or the Press... or the targets/lawyers.

Maybe sounds like something coming soon.

EndlessWire

(6,573 posts)
3. Interesting...
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 03:56 PM
Aug 2022

I didn't know that he could do that.

I don't see how he can wait much longer for the Complaint and Warrant of Arrest.

Harker

(14,056 posts)
9. He doesn't offer up a great number of lines to read between.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 04:39 PM
Aug 2022

It's a message, alright, and I very much hope you're right.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
31. The biggest indication of action towards Benedict Donald
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 09:16 PM
Aug 2022

will be when all law enforcement agencies go on tactical alert and the NG are put on standby.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
22. The only law they follow is their religious laws.
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 06:22 PM
Aug 2022

God talks them...

Not all of them, but at least 6 of them think they know how their super sky daddy wants them to decide the case.

wnylib

(21,657 posts)
35. A perception disorder that afflicts
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:41 AM
Aug 2022

some members of Congress as well as the current SC majority. They do not grasp the concept of submitting oneself to a principle that they participate in creating. As creators of laws (and that includes the present SC), they see themselves as gods, above that which they created.

Rebl2

(13,575 posts)
12. I also
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 05:14 PM
Aug 2022

think they should be told they can’t speak to groups like the Federalists Society or to participate in such groups.

James48

(4,443 posts)
13. Huh?
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 05:19 PM
Aug 2022

Excuse me but how many political appointees work at the DOJ? It can’t be many. I thought only a couple exist.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
25. Probably several dozen
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 06:37 PM
Aug 2022

Deputy this, assistant that. Most departments have several dozen political appointees. There will also be the office of "spokesman" in which basically everyone above some hourly secretary is appointed. There are literally tens of thousands of appointees in the executive branch. It's one of the problems that new presidents have. They have alot of offices to fill and they all have to be vetted. Some don't get filled for a year or more. I sorta wish this was law somehow.

FakeNoose

(32,823 posts)
14. Doesn't the Hatch Act already require this?
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 05:20 PM
Aug 2022

Of course Chump's 4 years destroyed any credibility in the Hatch Act.

I guess maybe Garland wants to "re-set" everything now before the Repukes get the wrong idea and think they got away with all of it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
27. Appointees? Yes except for certain circumstances (which he is apparently forbidding)
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 06:46 PM
Aug 2022
https://osc.gov/Services/Pages/HatchAct-FAQ.aspx#tabGroup27

Presidential Appointees with Senate Confirmation

I am an employee who was appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate (PAS). Am I covered by the Hatch Act?

Yes. An employee appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate (PAS), is subject to the provisions of the Hatch Act. However, certain PAS's are not subject to the Act's prohibition against engaging in political activity while on duty, in a federal room or building, wearing an official uniform or insignia, or using a government vehicle. To be exempt from this prohibition, a PAS must meet all of the following criteria:

1) the duties and responsibilities of his position must continue outside normal duty hours and while away from the normal duty post;

2) his position must be located within the United States; and

3) he must determine policies to be pursued by the United States in relations with foreign powers or in the nationwide administration of federal laws. ​


If a PAS meets all these criteria, he is not prohibited from engaging in political activity while on duty, in a federal room or building, wearing an official uniform or insignia, or using a government vehicle, provided the costs associated with the political activity are not paid for by money derived from the Treasury of the United States. However, the PAS remains subject to all the other prohibitions of the Hatch Act, and thus, may not: use his official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with or affecting the result of an election; knowingly solicit, accept, or receive a political contribution from any person; be a candidate for public office in a partisan election; or knowingly solicit or discourage the political activity of any person who has business before the employee's employing office.​​​


vlyons

(10,252 posts)
18. It's a point of integrity and honor in cleaning up the mess that TFG left
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 06:00 PM
Aug 2022

He's doing the right think to keep the JOD above the taint of republican politics.

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
19. What does this actually mean?
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 06:09 PM
Aug 2022

On the one hand, obvi that should be policy

On the other hand.. is it really important whether someone from DOJ attends a campaign event? Like.. outside of garland and others who have "names" that are known.. why would anyone care if some staffer supports this guy or that?

Is there a value in at least having a record of who these fools are willing to go out of their way to support?

I dont know. This seems all at once to be codifying proper decorum, and yet not really meaningful, unless theres something I missed

wnylib

(21,657 posts)
36. Yes, what you are missing in this is that
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:00 AM
Aug 2022

when DOJ indicts someone, there can be absolutely no appearance of being partisan. If members of DOJ have been involved in any partisan politics, it creates distrust in the general population about the validity and reasons for the indictment.

To give an example from current legal events. The FBI, a division of DOJ, carried out a legal search of the former president's home in Florida in order to recover stolen government documents, including several that are top secret. If any people in the FBI or DOJ are involved in partisan politics, the former president and his supporters can undermine the credibility of the search by claiming that it is partisan politics and not justice.

Same applies to when any of the people involved in the theft of government property, or in attacking government property (the Capitol) get indicted and face trial.

DOJ must be above partisan politics.

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
37. Must be. But my thought was appearance vs reality
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:01 PM
Aug 2022

Obviously DOJ should be above partizan politics.

However.. is it?

If a Trump appointee stops going to fundraisers due to a new policy against it, does that make them any less likely to be biased in the work they do?

wnylib

(21,657 posts)
38. There is something else that I think you are missing
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:09 PM
Aug 2022

about this. But within a few days to a week, I think that it will be clearer to you.






jaxexpat

(6,862 posts)
28. I'm thinking the founders, from their perspective of blissful naivety,
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 06:56 PM
Aug 2022

never envisioned a nation in perpetual campaign mode. Certainly they had no first hand knowledge of how mass communication would cripple their horse drawn model as it encouraged even the lowbred to peek under the skirts of that designedly exclusive club, the federal government.
Mr. Garland may try to stifle the misconduct of government employees under his watch by fiat but it's not likely to succeed in fact. That boat has already sailed, at least to the untrained eye. These last years have proved Mr Dylan correct, "The times, they are a'changin."
I tried to outlaw personal cell phones for employees on the job site. A production as well as a safety issue. You don't want to work in an excavation when the excavator operator is on his phone. But, alas, it was trying to hold back the tide, a fools errand. It is, after all, a free country. Except for military personnel, we are at liberty to assemble for our own purposes whenever we want. As soon as I had turned my back, the phones were at every ear except for the immigrant workers who tended to appreciate their jobs.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
30. Good move Garland
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 08:40 PM
Aug 2022

I am sick of the politics in our law enforcement agency since Dump was in the white house.

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