This ruling is ridiculous and will be immediately appealed by DOJ.

[kpete]

1) the standing argument makes no sense with respect to any executive privilege invocations and Cannon barely addresses it.

2) is Trump arguing every classified document is subject to executive privilege?

This ruling is preposterous—especially the part where it blocks the government from continuing to use materials already in its possession.

At the very least, that last ruling creates an immediately appealable injunctive-like order, which DOJ can now take to the Eleventh Circuit.

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[Walleye]

1. It seems to me the intelligence review is investigation of a crime?

[GoCubsGo]

2. Yes, he no longer has "executive privilege."

If he doesn't have it, there is no fucking way any of those documents are subject to it. I have no doubt it will be appealed for that reason alone.

This judge is an idiot. She not only needs to be removed from the bench, she should be disbarred.

[onecaliberal]

4. 👆🏻👆🏻

[Justice matters.]

29. Executive Privilege documents (created during a POTUS term) belong to the NARA

after the POTUS term is over anyway.

Obstruction of Justice is when a DOJ Subpoena is told to go f**k itself for AnY reason.

[HariSeldon]

45. Should the Republican "members" of Congress meet the sharp edge of the 14th Amendment...

...(that is, be found guilty of insurrection or aiding/supporting an insurrection, and therefore ejected from Congress), I expect that the list for judicial impeachment and removal now goes Thomas, Kavanaugh, Alito, then Cannon.

[SergeStorms]

54. A Federalist Society approved judge....

appointed by Trump who is in so far over her head she doesn't know which way is up.

And there are so many others with the same "qualifications" appointed by republicans around the country.

It certainly doesn't make me feel comfortable about certain voting cases likely to be coming up in the future.

[fightforfreedom]

3. I am done posting for a while.

This decision has put me over the edge. I cannot continue to discuss when will Trump be held accountable. We have been discussing this for five years and the same thing happens over and over again. When stealing top secret documents doesn't change things, good luck everyone.

[BlackSkimmer]

7. He's not going to be held accountable.

Many of us have been saying this for quite some time.

[fightforfreedom]

10. I heard you the first time. How many times are you going to say it?

Do you want a medal? Do you enjoy pushing members so they will post in anger and get banned. Is that you're game? Because that's what you did to me.

[BlackSkimmer]

11. You're very defensive.

You've attacked me personally twice now; why not admit you were wrong? Another poster just sent me some of your choice posts from an earlier thread. Interesting reading.

Next time, perhaps don't chastise people who have different opinions than you.

What goes around...

[Scrivener7]

20. You are asking someone "how many times are you going to say it?" And then you

are suggesting that their saying it has something to do with you and your reaction.

Reflect.

[Kingofalldems]

33. Every freaking day too.

I view it as taunting.

[BlackSkimmer]

56. Do you now?

[Phoenix61]

21. Curious where you bought your crystal ball.

Mine has been on the fritz lately. It told me Kansas would vote against keeping their abortion rights. It said Palin was going to win in Alaska. Anyway, I’m looking to buy a replacement and welcome your suggestions.

[BlackSkimmer]

24. I will be very happy to be proven wrong.

Current events lead me to believe I won't be.

No crystal ball needed.

[ForgedCrank]

49. I'm on record

promising to eat my hat if I'm wrong.
Normally, I would not look forward to eating my hat, but in this instance, I would be more than happy to figure out a way if I'm proven wrong.

[BlackSkimmer]

53. Lol, I hear you.

I have a quite substantial bet with an optimist friend of mine. I'll lose a fair amount if I've bet wrong.

But nothing could make me happier than to lose that bet.

[Phoenix61]

64. Oh.... You're just guessing. I thought you might have in. nt

[ForgedCrank]

5. I wish

I knew more about law to understand this one.
I would think that DOJ has no real option other than to go along with any legal route Trump takes just in order to avoid poisoning the entire case with even a single mistake. But I have no earthly idea if this is proper or not. I tend to ignore everything told to me by media and twitter blue-checks because most of it is garbage with a slant sprinkled on top.
So I'm stuck waiting until it's over and seeing what courts ultimately decide.

[maxrandb]

39. Well, they could just stop fucking around, charge him with espionage

invoke the Patriot Act and put him out of reach of his corruot judicial appointees.

Find it hard to support rendition and the Patriot Act, but when someone is more of a threat than the folks rotting in Gitmo...

And make no mistake. Osama Bin Laden, in his wildest dreams, could not have imagined inflicting the damage to America that Donnie Short Fingers has done, and continues to do.

[ForgedCrank]

41. I'd like to

discuss all the reasons why, but when I start talking about actual facts, i get slammed and alerted on for "right-wing talking points". It can't be discussed with raw honesty here unfortunately.
I will say that I agree, the FBI and DOJ have had the materials for damn near a month, what is the holdup? They've absolutely had time to go through everything they confiscated with a fine-toothed comb.
The condensed version is that I look at it through a lens filtered with absolutes and current known facts. When I do that, the situation doesn't look very promising for justice. He's a greasy, slippery SOB and always has been.

[sop]

52. Seems like the DOJ should have already charged Trump with insurrection.

We just need to be very, very patient.

[sop]

46. No one understands this.

None of this Special Master and Executive Privilege crappola makes any sense, unless it's viewed as just another Trump delay tactic helped along by a partisan judge. This issue will now have to be appealed to a higher court, then possibly to the Supreme Court. It's what Trump does...every single f***ing time.

[Treefrog]

6. Please let us know when it's appealed.

[kentuck]

8. Does an appeal give Trump an avenue to take it to the Supreme Court?

Which should be finished in a few years or upon the death of the Plaintiff, whichever comes first.

[kelly1mm]

36. Yes. The party that loses in the 11th Circuit (7R/4D) can appeal to the USSC (6R, 3D). If

delay was DJTs goal he has certainly accomplished that ......

[Generic Brad]

9. Can this judge be investigated for obstruction of justice?

That's all this is.

[grumpyduck]

13. I have to believe

DOJ was ready for this and has the next move planned out.

[crickets]

23. That was my first thought as well.

Up to now, every response has been in the "careful what you wish for" category. I'm hoping they have another one lined up, but given the circumstances it's less likely. Still, fingers crossed.

[lindysalsagal]

14. As a civilian, I'm confused how one judge can undo the work of another?

This ruling means the judge who approved the search was wrong. Which has been disproved because the illegal docs were there.


The docs were there.

How does a judge allow criminal behavior? Doesn't his make her complicit?

[BamaRefugee]

40. She was appointed by Trump, I'm sure there was some sort of "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" in the pre-nup

[malthaussen]

15. I'm shocked, I say, shocked! n/t

[aeromanKC]

16. Going to be a lot of Trump Judges being appealed and overturned in the next 30 years.

Today's ruling just underscores the damage to the Judiciary that Trump did. It will take a generation to fix.

[getagrip_already]

17. appeals will take a LOOOoooooong time......

Unless the appeals court issues an immediate injunction, this will take a year or more to work through.

Even then, it's a 3 month process. Once the doj files, tfg has 30 days to respond, and then the court will take months to get to it.

In the meantime; the doj is stopped cold.

[Justice matters.]

30. This is about NATIONAL SECURITY getting played with for partisan tactics, can you imagine??

The PRESSURE to speed it up will reach a million degrees, and if they drag their corrupt feet and anything bad happens to this nation because of that orange grifter's treachery, fingers will know WHERE to point.

[getagrip_already]

31. not disagreeing.....

But the process is slow. Even an expedited appeal is not fast. It just goes faster than slow.

The appeals court at the very minimum needs to provide immediate injunctive relief to allow the DNI review to continue. It should also strikedown the EP argument.

Ideally, they will throw the whole ruling out saying there was no jurisdiction.

But again, months.

[kelly1mm]

38. The 11th Circuit is made up of 7R, 4D Judges. After that it will go to the USSC (6R, 3D). While

that is not dispositive and like 99% of DJTs election related court cases were tossed even by R judges I think he may find a sympathetic ear or 3 ......

[RocRizzo55]

18. He went judge shopping to get this

I thought that judge shopping was illegal

[gab13by13]

28. I thought the same thing

but I'm told she got the random draw. I wasn't present for the drawing but I assume it was done properly.

[getagrip_already]

32. apparently.....

No other judge was available, so it was a pool of one.

Heard that on msnbc so take it with a shot of tequila.

[Midnight Writer]

19. Who appoints the Special Master? Is it this same Judge?

[Scrivener7]

22. I'd like to know that too. Will the SM be appointed by this Acosta appointee?

She is tied in to the creepy network of Acosta, Epstein, Trump and who knows who the hell else?

We don't know who they are, but we see the results of their actions. And they have a lot of pull, and they generally get things their own way.

[BlackSkimmer]

27. Yes, this is frightening.

I wish I could say I was surprised.

[dobleremolque]

25. Who is surprised that a Trump stooge on the bench

acted to protect her Lord and Master?

And BTW, does anyone else find it strange that the order was released on a national holiday?

[GreenWave]

26. Treason and espionage are usually met with stiff or worse penalties.

[thenelm1]

34. Wonder how many phone calls TFG made to her to get her do his bidding?

Because the judge's ruling is ridiculous, not to mention that it stomps all over another judge's case.

[jalan48]

37. And the corporate media will gleefully embrace the controversy, turning the issue into the

court process rather than the theft of classified documents. After awhile most Americans will lose sight of the real crime and instead be entertained by the Perry Mason like political thriller playing out nightly on their Tee Vee.

[sop]

59. That's the whole point, isn't it? Yet another Trump spectacle to boost ratings.

[in2herbs]

42. How is any SM going to be able to do the appointed job of determining what is privileged

material without also viewing the classified docs? And what if the SM doesn't qualify for the requisite security clearance?

[Jon King]

44. They can be read into a higher security clearance.

The SM will have a level of security clearance and if needed, be read into a higher level of clearance.

DOJ should just let the SM do their thing, the filter team already pulled out the documents it felt were off limits.

Just give the SM the pulled out pile, and the rest, and let them go through it. I doubt it will be a long process as some guidelines will be submitted to the judge by both sides by Friday.

Just get it over with and move on with the investigations.

[niyad]

43. Did aileen actually graduate from law school, let alone pass the bar?

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[Mr.Bill]

55. Judging by some of the lawyers I have known in my lifetime,

that'a not as big a deal as we sometimes make it out to be.

Remember, at every trial, 50% of the lawyers are wrong.

[hadEnuf]

47. If traitor bastard Trump was charged with something this shit might stop.

Most would think that a judge would be deeply, deeply concerned with what Trump has done, but then again MAGATs are all about selling this country out to Trump and Putin.

How can they call themselves Americans? They are not even close. They are enemies.

[in2herbs]

48. If my understanding is correct any appeal will go to the Eleventh, the court Thomas is

in charge of. So arrest Ginni Thomas for her part in the insurrection instead of appealing the Cannon ruling, cuz once Thomas rules, it goes to USSC and game over.

Arrest Ginni!!!

[BidenRocks]

50. STOP THE STALL!!

[UCmeNdc]

51. How does this judge have jurisdiction over the original judge overseeing this case?

I don't understand this?

[lindysalsagal]

57. My question, too.

[bluestarone]

61. I do not understand this either.

I just wonder if the DOJ. could go back to the original judge and ask for clarity, or a stay of this judges order?

[LowerManhattanite]

58. The little "I told you so!" / 'He'll skate FUHREVURRRRR!' brigade's

…out in full, gleeful force today over it too.

Definitely taking notes on the celebrants. LOL

[NewsCenter28]

62. No one here on DU is celebrating this ruling, I have no clue what the hell you are talking about

You need to fucking apologize to your DU compatriots. Everyone here is shocked and appalled at this disgusting decision.

[LowerManhattanite]

63. Thank you for your concern.

Truly.

[Mr. Ected]

60. What if the NSA has been surveilling Trump for months and knows that he's tried to sell secrets?

Would they be permitted to arrest Trump for espionage in spite of this judge's ruling today?

Wouldn't it be great to see him lead off in shackles for attempting to commit a crime rather than simply absconding with the files?