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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,009 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:56 PM Sep 2022

Mar-A-Lago nuclear revelations make it 'almost impossible' for Trump to escape charges: legal expert

The revelation that Donald Trump kept materials related to a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities puts intense pressure on the Department of Justice to bring charges against the former president.

FBI agents found those highly classified documents -- which many high-ranking national security officials aren't even aware of -- at Mar-A-Lago during a search last month, and MSNBC legal analyst Barbara McQuade told "Morning Joe" that prosecutors had to indict Trump for holding onto those top-secret government records.

"I think there are two things about this that are very significant," McQuade said. "One is, regardless of classification level, it is clear now that this relates to national defense information, and that's the language of the Espionage Act. So Donald Trump can claim to have declassified documents all day. He might even have been successful, and that would be no defense to the claim. The other thing that I think is significant about this is it makes it almost impossible for the Justice Department to decline to bring criminal charges."

McQuade said this situation called for strong action, compared with similar violations by other former government officials after they had left office.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mar-a-lago-nuclear-revelations-make-it-almost-impossible-for-trump-to-escape-charges-legal-expert/ar-AA11yBLs

I hope so.

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Mar-A-Lago nuclear revelations make it 'almost impossible' for Trump to escape charges: legal expert (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 OP
I think we're a long way from the bottom of what Treason Trump has done. Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #1
We may never know, we are being kept in the dark to a large extent. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #2
100% agree blue-wave Sep 2022 #11
The American public has a right to some answers. Irish_Dem Sep 2022 #13
Trumpy-Boy needs to be indicted on over 20 counts. That's easily reached. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2022 #3
Traitor Trump MUST be indicted to make Republican voters understand how serious this is. LaMouffette Sep 2022 #4
The traitor declared war against the United States Emile Sep 2022 #5
He needs to be indicted to show the world that we give a damn that he's got their secrets Novara Sep 2022 #6
Exactly. We absolutely must prove to the world that our lindysalsagal Sep 2022 #20
Lock him up pending trial. Delmette2.0 Sep 2022 #7
Judge Cannon says, "here, hold my beer"! justhanginon Sep 2022 #8
HEY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT!!! YoshidaYui Sep 2022 #9
what are the talking points on fox today.... that's it's no big deal? IcyPeas Sep 2022 #10
It's the Cha Sep 2022 #12
I'm in that camp Bristlecone Sep 2022 #16
That pile of orange cat shit should be in a dungeon by now. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #24
You'd think that planning and instructing a mob to storm the Capitol in a coup attempt would... LudwigPastorius Sep 2022 #14
The FBI can't investigate the nuclear documents gab13by13 Sep 2022 #15
How many Repukes will look the other way? sakabatou Sep 2022 #17
Barbara McQuade can say whatever she wants. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #18
Flight risk. Lock him up now! BlueWavePsych Sep 2022 #19
What bugs me is when Barr, on Faux, questions whether Fathead ought to be indicted and then adds, allegorical oracle Sep 2022 #21
And yet, "norms" would be violated if he gets indicted. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2022 #22
What's the DOJ waiting for? jalan48 Sep 2022 #23
But, here we are! newdayneeded Sep 2022 #25

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
2. We may never know, we are being kept in the dark to a large extent.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:18 PM
Sep 2022

Which I think is wrong.

The American people are scared, worried and need some answers.

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
13. The American public has a right to some answers.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:24 PM
Sep 2022

How bad is the damage, how did it happen, what corrections are taking place.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
3. Trumpy-Boy needs to be indicted on over 20 counts. That's easily reached.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:40 PM
Sep 2022

Let's not have any of this "1-count" BS that can be easily appealed, with a possibility of acquittal. Throw the book at the traitor. Make it so overwhelming, his dipshit lawyers head for the tavern and don't come back.

LaMouffette

(2,035 posts)
4. Traitor Trump MUST be indicted to make Republican voters understand how serious this is.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:55 PM
Sep 2022

When Trump was impeached the first time and still remained president, the message to Republican voters was that what he had done must not have been that bad since he was still president. When he was impeached the second time, the message to Republicans was go ahead and reject the results of a free and fair election, go ahead and attack the Capitol, go ahead and bludgeon police officers, go ahead and string up a vice president for carrying out his duty, go ahead and defile the Capitol building. No ramifications (so far) for Trump whatsoever. Consequences for some of the people who attacked the Capitol, but many of the penalties have been just a slap on the wrist.

The situation of an American president stealing and doing God knows what with the nation's top-secret documents DEMANDS accountability and swift action.

Emile

(22,771 posts)
5. The traitor declared war against the United States
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:00 PM
Sep 2022

on Jan 6th. Then when he lost the war he steals top secret documents on the way out. He should have been locked up a year ago.

Novara

(5,842 posts)
6. He needs to be indicted to show the world that we give a damn that he's got their secrets
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:07 PM
Sep 2022

This has major international relations implications.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
20. Exactly. We absolutely must prove to the world that our
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:33 PM
Sep 2022

Open, free society doesn't risk their security.

Delmette2.0

(4,165 posts)
7. Lock him up pending trial.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:12 PM
Sep 2022

1 this will keep him off the internet.

2 it may keep him from all the pretrial delays.

IcyPeas

(21,884 posts)
10. what are the talking points on fox today.... that's it's no big deal?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:20 PM
Sep 2022

how are they spinning this? they saying he didn't know they were there? just a paperwork error? he didn't pack the boxes? they were planted?

this must be his 5,000th crime. can we arrest him yet? I mean..... nuclear secrets for chrissake. what next?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,348 posts)
24. That pile of orange cat shit should be in a dungeon by now.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 01:19 PM
Sep 2022

He was given a pass for multiple crimes before he was installed by Putin. He was given a pass for multiple crimes during his term in office. If he'd been treated as 'not above the law' then, we would not be in this situation today.

A big table of crimes:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-staggering-record-of-uncharged-criminal-misconduct/

LudwigPastorius

(9,150 posts)
14. You'd think that planning and instructing a mob to storm the Capitol in a coup attempt would...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:41 PM
Sep 2022

make it 'almost impossible' for Trump to escape charges.

Yet, here we are.

gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
15. The FBI can't investigate the nuclear documents
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:41 PM
Sep 2022

the judge issued a stay. They could be dusting for fingerprints, doing forensics on the documents.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
18. Barbara McQuade can say whatever she wants.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:58 PM
Sep 2022

Like Neil Kaytal, most of what she predicts is just more hot air.

With the Special Master decision, Trump probably pushed any theoretical indictment out past his declaration for 24. The DOJ won't touch him once he's declared.

That would violate a norm.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
21. What bugs me is when Barr, on Faux, questions whether Fathead ought to be indicted and then adds,
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:48 PM
Sep 2022

"I don't want to see him indicted." Barr questions whether MAGAts will understand the WHY of an indictment. (Like us, he must recognize what blockheads they are.)

However, if there isn't an indictment and Trump struts off the stage free and clear, he will run for president again and possibly be elected. Then he will resume the chaos and the dirty tricks and potentially do even more damage with his cavalier attitude toward national security. He lost two popular votes and was impeached twice. So how does he deserve another shot at the target?

If a deal is made not to indict him, some agreement must be reached that he will not run for any public office again.

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